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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

Pokemonfan807 said:
i still have a question guys (what is the reasoning behind low 1-C/1-C tiering for some servants)

plus why 1-A for swirl of the root.


Because every other site seems to disagree or whatever. (Something about reality marble isn't some universe or whatever)


I hope some staff member who's knowledgeable in nasuverse or someone else can give me an explanation because ultra instinct didn't give me one
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The CRT of Root.

 
John985 said:
Pretty sure its the dimensional tiering as a whole is the thing that they dont like.
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just found some statements of why people disagree with this kind of stuff (not going to mention which/any sites because of the rule with conflicts/bad blood with other sites) same with not naming who said this stuff

1 "Let's not talked about the Nasuverse characters especially CCC. Like people there suddenly forget all of Extra took place in what essentially a giant virtual world, NOT THE REAL WORLD. They don't even know the the rules of the franchise and just take blanket statements as fact."


2. "God please...The people who keep making regular EMIYA have Nameless' abilities annoy the shit out of me. Everyone there 10x stronger, which FGO acknowledges and proceeds to give the Sakura Five nerfed abilities in the real world.
Also, I love CCC Gil, but he's a pain in the ass to talk about in shit like this."

3. The reason Melt even able to pull the stunt she did in SERAPH cause they were in mooncell which Melt herself admitted and stated it's impossible in the real world. Same with Nameless being able to trace divine constructs. Some people love to forget those statements even existed for their wanking.
People who wank CCC Gil just seem to conveniently forget Nero, Tamamo and Nameless did the same feat he did.

4. Yeah, Melt's time travel was piss easy thanks to being in a virtual world, considering it takes Chaldea and some ridiculous precision in LB4 to do the same. Nameless tracing divine shit is just the mooncell thing too, if EMIYA or Shirou does it, they either die from making the real deal, or exhaust themselves for making a hollow version, both which aren't good.
CCC Gil just annoy the shit out of me in discussions. God I hate it.

5. I always prefer to use regular Gil over him.

It's like i get that his CCC self is very strong, but only in the VR world of the moon cell. There's no showings in that game that indicated Gil can do everything he did in the moon cell, but in the real world.


and then

1. Thanks for the elaboration, but they were still in a virtual world, and BB was IIRC helping so that's why it was "easier".


2. The world they were in was irrelevant, what mattered is that elevation equals time and their combined NP being able to send Melt at FTL speeds. Hell, if this was in the Moon Cell proper she would have probably survived the trip as well instead of falling apart soon after


3. Wouldn't that defeat the entire purpose of digitizing Guda then if the world was irrelevant?


4. The world is irrelevant to Melt's feat of travel in specific



also one of the people out there. (again not going to mention names or sites or whatever) said this as well

"Vs battles is pretty much like that guy who takes the actual facts, yeet them out of the window, write down his own facts and declare it as the word of god , and calls anyone with 2 braincells who uses the original facts an idiot/fool.
Oh, and on top of that avoiding to debate in a place where they can't just shut you up if you are kicking their ass.

EDIT: The person there called crimsonfallen or some thing who brought up the idea of "mULtiVerSAL saBer" also has an ego bigger then gilgamesh."
 
I know the guy. He got an account here. Well base on what he's doing, he gonna be perma banned here. But I dont think he cares.
 
John985 said:
I know the guy. He got an account here. Well base on what he's doing, he gonna be perma banned here. But I dont think he cares.
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okay just make sure you and the others on this site


if you/or others know where the dialogue and stuff comes from. (don't bring up the site or anything. we seriously do not want bad blood/conflict with other communities)



anyway if these guys are correct. (probably not) i still don't want a CRT john

it's the same thing most of time when i bring up CRT related stuff in a general discussion thread


because i have no idea or it's correct or not. and i have a fear of someone making a CRT on what i said in the general discussion thread. (despite the fact the information could be a wrong)
 
the "mooncell isn't the real world" argument is kinda poor considering that the forum has pages for video games mangas characters ngl. Well, even then, a bunch of non-mooncell character are actually low 1-C through avalon scaling.
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
Who, mahachakravartin? Pretty sure doesn't have an account here.
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did you have to bring up his name here. (remember what i said regarding not bringing up the name of the site and bringing up people's names)

it's fine discussing what other people think about our site if we don't mention any specific sites and the names of the people who said this but if you bring up their name and the site. i think it creates conflict and bad blood.
 
Pokemonfan807 said:
did you have to bring up his name here. (remember what i said regarding not bringing up the name of the site and bringing up people's names)

it's fine discussing what other people think about our site if we don't mention any specific sites and the names of the people who said this but if you bring up their name and the site. i think it creates conflict and bad blood.
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nah, i and he are cool. I actually know him since not long ago. We are currently co writing a novel .
 
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Pokemonfan807 said:
okay but please don't mention the site that i got the dialogue and statements from regarding what people think regarding low 1-C/1-C servants/fate characters.

thanks
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no worries man.
TrueKingOfHeroes said:
Need input here
vsbattles.com

Nasuverse CRT : additions to Gilgamesh and various Servants

As the title above I would add an abilities for some characters, and this thread has some connection with the previous thread. Without further ado, let's begin with Gilgamesh Damage Boost, Soul Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Mind and Memory Manipulation with...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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since you brought this up, i would like to push this forward
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
since you brought this up, i would like to push this forward
https://vsbattles.com/threads/can-you-weaken-a-servant-with-air-manipulation.131328/
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If you mean that a Servant needs air then is not really true, as far as it's shown that Servants can be free to be in space without worrying about oxygen and air, that's why they have type 3 Self-Sustenance, this is proven in the events of Ooku and Saber Wars II.

It has also been proven that servants can completely bury their bodies in the ground for months without needing air, they only need Magical Energy to survive, source : Lostbelt 5 (Atlantis).
 
TrueKingOfHeroes said:
If you mean that a Servant needs air then is not really true, as far as it's shown that Servants can be free to be in space without worrying about oxygen and air, that's why they have type 3 Self-Sustenance, this is proven in the events of Ooku and Saber Wars II.

It has also been proven that servants can completely bury their bodies in the ground for months without needing air, they only need Magical Energy to survive, source : Lostbelt 5 (Atlantis).
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i mean, pretty sure grand order and strange fake author are different....
 
Pokemonfan807 said:
what about other tier 1's like low 1-C/1-C


because since ultra mentioned we're the only site that does low 1-C/1-C fate characters. everyone else seems to disagree with us.


i wonder if they're the wrong ones and we're the only right ones or vice versa.
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Who is "everyone" lmao no alot of people believe in multi+ fate and space battles isn't the entirety of the fate fandom
 
Zencha9 said:
Who is "everyone" lmao no alot of people believe in multi+ fate and space battles isn't the entirety of the fate fandom
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Forum NRVNQSR, the FGO and staynight subreddit itself, debate oriented reddit like whowouldwin, OBD, comicvine, etc....
These are the communities from the top of my head who don't believe as far as i know.
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
Who, mahachakravartin? Pretty sure doesn't have an account here.
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if he didnt have have one here then that's good.
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
Forum NRVNQSR, the FGO and staynight subreddit itself, debate oriented reddit like whowouldwin, OBD, comicvine, etc....
These are the communities from the top of my head who don't believe as far as i know.
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from what I remember, comicvine rate fate much higher than it is here.
 
John985 said:
if he didnt have have one here then that's good.

from what I remember, comicvine rate fate much higher than it is here.
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Wait, comicvine does not have a fixed stance on characters, and most think fate is not above tier 2.
And then there is that guy who goes gilgamesh can solo tier 0's.
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
Forum NRVNQSR, the FGO and staynight subreddit itself, debate oriented reddit like whowouldwin, OBD, comicvine, etc....
These are the communities from the top of my head who don't believe as far as i know.
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Even so that still doesn't mean anything there's alot of people that disagree on ratings of some verses it just depends on the reasoning behind their disagreement
 
also good news. (made circe get her final ascension)


man i'm i going to need to upgrade everyone else for final ascension if i want to do camelot (though is impossible for some as i need items that i can't get from my singularities)


also i have only 3 sabers (and they are all 3 stars) sad day
 
TrueKingOfHeroes said:
If you mean that a Servant needs air then is not really true, as far as it's shown that Servants can be free to be in space without worrying about oxygen and air, that's why they have type 3 Self-Sustenance, this is proven in the events of Ooku and Saber Wars II.

It has also been proven that servants can completely bury their bodies in the ground for months without needing air, they only need Magical Energy to survive, source : Lostbelt 5 (Atlantis).
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speaking of atlantis. it turns out i need 5 comet shards for my sei shonangan.


(why did i have to have servants that need items that appear in later acts)

i don't want to use every servant. (too bad my strongest servants can't become stronger because they need items that exist in the later acts)

(this sucks)


edit: all i can hope is that some event can help me get those items without having to go into later singularities or having to get new servants from the summoning thing.
 
Pretty sure, dimensional differences in Nasuverse are also supposed to be omnipotent-like higher than lower dimensions from narrative perspective

「たとえば埋葬機関にいつのまにか混ざっていたシスターですね。彼女はサバトによって悪魔化し、高次元の感 覚を得た事でこの次元では全能になったと言います。

"For example, the sister who somehow got mixed up with the burial agency. She was demonized by Sabbat and became omnipotent in this dimension because of her higher dimensional senses. - Source
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hey guys i have a question


what's the name of that thing fgo does everyday you login?


aka when you login once everyday they give you 3 items but you can only choose 1
 
Pokemonfan807 said:
okay guys i made a profile on my blog post


So to make typing sentences easier i copied a sentence from Jing ke and sentences from red hare and pasted them onto my blog post and edited the sentences for chen gong (it's easier to do that then to type in an entire sentence) basically if servants have similar things to each other. Copy that part, paste it on your article and edit it if there are any changes. (makes typing easier if you get what i mean)

I ended up using the Fate grand order article on chen gong to help me a bit
also ended up using type moon article on him to see if he was in any stories or anything
also i hate to break it to you but i also used chen gong's article from tv tropes as well to help me

Also not sure passive skills are his personal skills and what class skill is for caster.
anyway since i was using multiple sources (including tv tropes) if i got anything wrong regarding him. let me know. (though i feel like since i made his article i would like someone else to continue the work for me. since i'm more of a guy who likes fun than making articles)

Edit: I would like feedback on this. (since i'm not good at math and calcs and i probably/possibly guess a lot) i mean i literally copy and pasted the lifting strength since i guess that if most servants have that class K then i assume chen gong has it too. (i mean he was with red hare in one of the stories) and i guessed that if he's with red hare then he should have similar lifting strength and i saw that red hare's profile said class K lifting strength.
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anyone going to peer review this.

can it be added or no because of the sources i used and stuff?


I ended up using the Fate grand order article on chen gong to help me a bit
also ended up using type moon article on him to see if he was in any stories or anything
also i hate to break it to you but i also used chen gong's article from tv tropes as well to help me

aka this


also


Pokemonfan807 said:
question do you think his scapegoat ability would count as status affect inducement (it forces the opponents to attack someone else)

also i brought up the fact that i used other wikis and tv tropes to help me as well as use red hare's profile too. (i wonder what you think about this)

and you get what i said regarding this?
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does it count as status affect inducement?
 




Artoria Pendragon (Swimsuit) (Ruler)​

Class: Ruler
True Name: Artoria Pendragon
Gender: Female
Source: Legend of King Arthur
Region: England
Alignment: Lawful Summer
Height: 171cm
Weight: 57kg?

Scenario Writer: Sakurai Hikaru
Character Designer: Ishida Akira
Character Voice: Kawasumi Ayako
Major Appearances in Main Works: Fate/Grand Order

Parameters​
Values​
Strength​
C​
Endurance​
A+​
Agility​
B​
Magical Power​
A​
Luck​
B​
Noble Phantasm​
A+​

Class Skills​

Magic Resistance: A

Artoria Ruler possesses an extremely high magic resistance, invalidating the effects of most magecraft.

Territory Creation: B

The skill of the swimsuit blademaster to create their own casino.

Personal Skills​

Royal Bunny: A

Look at the thing shining above the king's head, what is that! Ears like that of an animal!
Could it possibly be some kind of curse or the grudge of the howling Beast Glatisant (唸る獣, "Growling Beast")\1]) that appeared in Britain long ago, which now afflicts King Arthur. How terrifying, the growling beast\1]), oh, to bare its fangs at the king even after the passing of hundreds of years…
ー Nay, that is incorrect. Our king has simply come to harbor an interest in the thing known as bunny girls.
Oh? Then that getup, could it possibly be.
ー Yes. A costume.
So that's it.

Royal Card: C+

That which the King seems to be a throwing does not appear to be a kind of dagger, no. Is that a card?— Yes. As a casino dealer, one must be exceptional in the handling of cards, as per the king's decree. Is it not a wonderful skill.
At times, I have heard this place called as a casino being as for amusement.
— That's right.
Though the manner of throwing seems as if she has the intention of annihilating enemies in mind.— Perhaps it is something as intended to drive off inebriated guests and the like.
Is that so…

Knight of the Lion: B

It is said that in the past, Sir Ywain fought alongside a lion.
Thus, it is no wonder that as his liege, our king, is able to command a lion of light. Or possibly, at the time of the Saint Graph changing, the King purposefully selected as her own the skill that should have been originally possessed by Sir Ywain.
― That may also be the case.
Yes.

Noble Phantasm​

Be Brilliant, Mine Hall of Radiance
Rank: A+
Classification: Anti-Army
Range: 1~99
Maximum Number of Targets: 300 people

Bright Ehangwen.
The high mobility great hall Ehangwen that conquers the surface of the waters is temporarily materialized, firing a super-large magical light unto the entirety of the enemy camp, it is the greatest attack of the Swimsuit Lion King, Artoria Ruler.
It is unclear whether the Ehangwen of the past had this sort of navigational or bombardment capabilities, though from her manner of speech "while it has never done it before" "there is nothing it can’t do" or something similar to that regard.
On the other hand, in relation to the bombardment, there are suspicions such as "isn’t it actually the installed Rhongomyniad doing that" and "isn’t it actually the same Noble Phantasm as when you were a Lancer." Concerning this matter, she remains silent and says nothing at all.

Character​

First Person Pronouns: watashi
Second Person Pronouns: anata / sonata / kisama / kikō
Third Person Pronouns: kare / kanojo

Personality​

Fundamentally the same person as when she was Lancer.
However, because she is off duty she subconsciously thinks that she can spread her wings a bit, and her speech and conduct are a little lax in areas that are unrelated to the Swimsuit Blademaster Official Bout.

Attitude towards the Master​

Fundamentally the same person as when she was Lancer, but...
The Master is not a swimsuit blademaster, so they are carelessly caught off guard (油断している, "being careless/unprepared").
To be more specific, the percentage of smiles showing is slightly higher than usual [when they are a Lancer]. Though only just a little.

Speech Examples​

"Now then, let the duel commence (デュエルスタート, lit. duel start)"

"To be honest I'm actually dressed as a rabbit, could you tell?"

"Oh, you've noticed then. Yes, that's right. This umbrella is a different modified form of Rhongomyniad."

"Casino Camelot, isn't it so. It feels more like a garden than a castle. Castles are meant to function for battle, but gardens are supposed to be a space for repose. You too, please feel free to relax and make yourself at home."

Character Image​

Swimsuit Lion King.
There are three meanings behind that name.
First, the manager\2]) of Casino Camelot, the apex of the five great casinos which reign over dazzling Las Vegas.
Second, the organizer of the bout match of the Swimsuit Blademasters — Tournament of the Seven Swimsuit Blademasters, who watches over the swimsuit blademasters competing with their swimsuits and their swords for a single summer’s memory.
Third, Lancer Artoria, who has changed into a summer outfit.
Please note, this is a completely different individual from the so-called "Lion King" or "Goddess Rhongomyniad."

Since the foundation of the Saint Graph is from her time as Lancer, she is still a Divine Spirit, a divine Heroic Spirit close to (being) a goddess.

Her class is Ruler.
Of course, it would be a class for the purpose of arbitrating the match of the swimsuit blademasters.

Furthermore, her favored horse Dun Stallion is not by her side as she is no longer a Lancer.
The white horse has not disappeared, having been sighted resting in the stable area of Chaldea. What about the magical energy to manifest within the present world? That remains unknown.
Though she no longer has her favorite horse, she instead has come to control a lion of light.

With her natural competitive intuition, insight, and mental fortitude, she reigns as Vegas’ strongest dealer.
Before her, any foul play is seen through, and any lucky player are brought to their knees.

The Swimsuit Lion King, Artoria Ruler, intends to enjoy this vacation to the fullest.
This is a rare occurrence.
Because, fundamentally she is a Heroic Spirit who is always combat-ready at all times, never off duty, and diligently and earnestly keeps on fighting.
However, concerning that...
due to the mischievous machination of the mysterious older brother Merlin, she has become a Swimsuit Lion King who tackles this vacation with all her strength.

Master must be mindful.
She is serious.
With her usual solemnity (overly serious demeanor), once she has made up her mind about enjoying the vacation earnestly, she would absolutely not cut any corners at all.
Now then...with your whole body and soul! Play!

General Armaments​

Card Attack (1st and 3rd) / Attack with Parasol (2nd ascension) / Attack with Radiant Lion (appears with EX attack in each ascension)

Connections to Other Characters

Swimsuit Hokusai

Novel swimsuit blademaster.
How will she fight and how will she shine?
I had high hopes・・・ and she has lived up to them.

Swimsuit Blademasters

Fufu. Really, all of them are highly skilled/peculiar people (くせ者).
It's been a noisy summer vacation, but judging from Master's expression, it seems they all did a good job.

Knights of the Round Table

The knights who gathered for the sake of managing the casino. Their loyalty, is splendid.
However they truly did work well.
I'll have to think of a bonus.

Moriarty

You're a fine bartender.

Arthur Pendragon

Apparently, he had a sentiment he wished to share concerning bunnies, but it was terribly inarticulate.
Wait. Finish what you were saying, Arthur!

Mordred

Hm...?

Jekyll

I humbly ask for your continued support.

Gareth

(I want to stroke her head to my heart's content, but I cannot because I am worried about the knights of the round table around me)

Comment from Illustrator​

The first ascension is a bunny, and the second ascension was the swimsuit...it was a natural progression, but I had some trouble deciding on the third ascension, I listed several candidates and waited for Takeuchi san and the management's direction on the matter. I expected it would be something like an armor dress, but the response that came back was "bunny armor dress with a card funnel" ...am I...a genius after all. The lion proposed in the rough idea draft (アイデアラフ, aidea rafu) was also accepted as a method of attack, and the ship design for instance as well was something I had never experienced before, but it was enjoyable being able to illustrate it. (Akira Ishida)

Notes:

[1] Questing Beast, or the Beast Glatisant (Barking Beast), is a monster from Arthurian legend. It is the subject of quests undertaken by famous knights such as King Pellinore, Sir Palamedes, and Sir Percival. The strange creature has the head and neck of a snake, the body of a leopard, the haunches of a lion and the feet of a hart. Its name comes from the great noise it emits from its belly, a barking like "thirty couple hounds questing". 'Glatisant' is related to the French word glapissant, 'yelping' or 'barking', especially of small dogs or foxes.
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