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[Theoretical_Toxic19]

regular shiki has never worn that same kimono, it'd take more assumptions to believe that it's not void's trademark. Void always wears this kimono in the media she appears in.

I didn't ask for a repetition of what you said beforehand. Contentions against what I said would've been better, I know what you're claiming but it doesn't denounce what I said to denounce what you claim which is what you're repeating again. Circular reason.

But since it seems to be harder for you to understand that I'll just give you a little argument to show you how absurd what you're claiming

(1) void identifies herself as the root
(2) the root is beyond everything
C the void is beyond archetype earth
Perfectly deductively valid

If we you still disagree with this, I can apply reductio ad absurdum to say archetype earth being beyond void shiki who's the root implies she's beyond the root which is logically contradictory to the narrative consistency.

These scans aren't from knk, they're from melty blood

Both are still part of the nasuverse multiverse, can you prove shiki ryougi is aware of void in melty? Don't use the same argument and statements it will be begging thr question to assume the truth value of them to prove them being true

At least in melty shiki is aware that another her exists.

Ye go ahead and show me that.

Also shikis last arc is literally void taking over. It shares the same name as void shiki's np in fgo, same visuals, literally a 1 to 1 recreation.

So?

No, there's an interview with 4-gamer after the remake in which nasu says she's the strongest in tm history.

It was the same interview that was translated as "strongest in mahoyo and tsukihime worlds".

Ort is confirmed to slam arc, he's also confirmed to be the strongest.

knk still falls under the mahoyo side of things

No it doesn't, shiki ryougi has never appeared in the mahoyo world.

Shall We Play Around Some? [Technique name]
Arcueid's Last Arc.
For just a second, it is possible to catch a glimpse of the vampire princess Arcueid's true power. The phantom that appears behind her back is her original form. Its appearance, abilities, and very thoughts could be called the Crimson Moon.
The inspiration for this technique comes from Kagetsu Tohya. Specifically, the episode where Shiki strayed off into Arcueid's dream and received proper retribution for killing her. Because of that, when this technique is used on Shiki it hits eighteen times.

The statement that contrasts that is far more descriptive for AE to be crimson moon. The name brunestud is given to people close to crimson moon, not people beyond crimson moon since that's what you're implying.

also it's literally a top 3, if it wasnt ordered that would've been specified

Same logic can be applied to it not being ordered, if it was ordered it would've been specified. If there's no proof that it's order, we shouldn't assume the affirmative of it being ordered so it's not ordered.

holy grail is also stated to be omnipotent

Pretty nice try, the grail was never stated to be the root.

Then prove it. Your own sentence very much goes against your argument, and as result requires a much bigger leap in assuming it

I understand you don't know how burden of proof works, it's okay I'm here to teach you that.

He is claiming the void shiki appearing with the same kimono implies she's the only one who'll necessarily appear with it. He has to prove that void shiki will always appear with the same kimono necessarily and nobody else will wear it.

"what can be asserted be asserted without evidence can be dismissed with evidence".

 

[Theoretical_Toxic19]

you're fighting against 3 wog statements, and a shit ton of scans.

1 was re-translated as in the mahoyo and tsukihime worlds

Second one was never specified to be in order, you failed to prove it is and the rest of the scans are questionable.

Notice how I show you direct evidence contrasting your statement, one being that ort is the strongest and arc is said to lose to him. Which is less questionable than anything you've shown and you have yet to address that.

 

[Theoretical_Toxic19]

normal ryougi acknowledges she cant kill her

With all due respect, if you've already read knk. I don't see how you'd be using this in any possible way to apply it to void shiki. Did you not read volume 3, where she distinguishes between her connection and female ryougi stating hers is more profound.

What's thee point of this, what are we supposed to learn from this?

 

[Theoretical_Toxic19]

Right, that is Shiki's power. Like Fujino she can see channels that normal people can't see, she is able to see the spiral of origin with her eyes. But, I can go even deeper. No... maybe I myself am that spiral."
".... Spiral of origin, its where all cause and effect begin, where everything and nothing exist, that is my true identity. Even though we are just connected, but since I am part of it, I too am an equivocal existence, right? That is why I can do anything..hmm like restructuring the laws governing atomic matter, or go back in time to change the evolution and development of all life, to reconstruct the orders and laws of this world is easy for me too. Not making change to the existing world, but rather annihilate the old world with a new world."

Why did you quote something that disproves what you said

" I am a part of it. I too am an equivocal existence", do we need a definition for equivocal.

The truth is... it's actually not one of the "ultimate species" that intercepted Earth's SOS signal, or something.
It's also stated that ort isnt even the strongest enitity that answered the earth's call

Brother what? Them saying it's not part of the ultimate species that intercepted earth's SOS signal is not an equivalent of them saying its not the strongest.

Text book deductively invalid argument, a non sequitur.

she says "maybe as in she's unsure." also if that was true, why was she threatened by the counter force?

Because she didn't have a personality, she didn't have intellect, how do you expect her to fight back against the counter force if she had no will that allows her to fight.

She's the root, nothingness and emptiness, the only reason why she could speak language to begin with was because of experiencing female ryougi doing that. Did we read the same LN and watch the same show? The reason for her having intellect was because of the ryougi family. She was born without the capacity to think nor speak.

Why isn't she threatened by the counter force now?

Can you eat using your hands?
Can you sleep in the ground?
Can you go naked everywhere?

The answer is yes to all those question.
You still don't usually do it like that. You would think it was strange if anyone did it, probably.
Something like that.

I don't mean to be rude but respectful, what are you waffling about

I kindly to ask you two to stop this bantering lel, the debate has dragged for too long now, time to move on to the other topic pls

Not moving to any other topic, Ima go afk from is site again.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

1 was re-translated as in the mahoyo and tsukihime worlds

the raws ( the original interview) says TYPE-MOON. knk still falls under mahoyo so moot point.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

anyway, if void shiki was completely omnipotent, she would have prevented her erasure by the counter force , since she would be present across all time, she is still stated to have a birth, so nope.

—Your wish, Kokutou. Tell me it. I can grant most human wishes. And Shiki seems to like you, so - what's mine by right is yours.

note how she says most and not ANY.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Spoiler: Rogue Saber, Rogue Berserker, and Assassin NP

Dunno why the channel owner included Zhou Yu NP again lel, but other than that the rest of the three are so cool, i didn't expected Assassin/Kouga NP implemented just a dragon install
Rogue Berserker/Samson NP is looks like a combination of his last stand in the temple and his remembered Delilah
I already saw Rogue Saber/Yoshinaka np numerous time (before i discoverrd this video) yet i'm still loving so much, Yoshinaka has became my most liked servant in Samurai Remnant, hope that he'll becoming a fan fave

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Spoiler: Saber and NP description

Saber's true identity is Yamato Takeru, the legendary hero, tragic prince, and conqueror of many lands throughout ancient Japan. Outcast by his family, friendless, and bereft of his beloved wife, Takeru slaughtered people, kings, and even gods as he continued along his path. After his long journey of conquest, his loneliness growing with each battle, Yamato Takeru's spirit became a white swan, soaring through the heavens. As a Heroic Spirit, Yamato Takeru was granted the protection of water, and controls watery torrents. He also wields the Noble Phantasm, Sword of Heaven: Amenomurakumo-no-Tsurugi, an aspect of the divine sword that emerged from a great serpent's tail. After fighting in a multitude of battles, he became determined to destroy the Waxing Moon.

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Divine Water​

User: Yamato Takeru
Rank: C
Class: Anti-Personnel Noble Phantasm
Range:
Maximum Targets: 1 Person

A suppressed Noble Phantasm in which Saber's sword is covered and concealed byaqueous magical energy, transforming it into a kind of serpentine blade. When the ability is unveiled, the magical energy can be seen vanishing for a brief moment (Iori described this phenomenon as the "water sheath"). This Noble Phantasm also works as an enhancer for Mana Burst (Water). Consuming the necessary magical energy to unleash this Noble Phantasm enables the use of powerful streams of water for long-range attacks.

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Special Technique: Eight-Current Raging Storm​

User: Yamato Takeru
Rank: B
Class: Anti-Personnel/Anti-Army Technique
Range: 0
Maximum Targets: 1-20 People

A special technique that unleashes eight slashes at once. This ability's fearsome power brings to mind the massive eight-headed serpent the Dragon of Destruction, Yamata-no-Orochi. While it is an Anti-Personnel technique, it is so powerful that the surrounding area gets caught in the blast. (Naturally, its strength lessens when used as an Anti-Army technique.)

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Sword of Heaven: Amenomurakumo-no-Tsurugi​

User: Yamato Takeru
Rank: EX
Class: Anti-World Noble Phantasm
Range: 1
Maximum Targets: 900 People

A divine sword created in the myth of Susanoo and wielded by the legendary Yamato Takeru. It was brought forth from the tail of the eight-headed, red-eyed beast Japan's most fearsome Dragon of Destruction, Yamata-no-Orochi. That is to say, it is an embodiment of the various powers, both of heaven and earth, that were contained within the Dragon's body. To use this Noble Phantasm is to momentarily become a god or, in other words, to become one with the world. This is where its True Name, Sword of Heaven: Amenomurakumo-no-Tsurugi, is derived. It is a type of Divine Construct.

By revealing their True Name, Saber instantly gains access to godly power, the effect of which is up to Saber to decide. Were Saber to choose destruction, many would surely suffer all-enveloping devastation. Alternatively, the blade could be swung to move the wind, just as in Yamato Takeru's myth, and put out the great fire that threatens to engulf all of Edo and its innocent inhabitants. The name Amenomurakumo, literally meaning 'heavenly clouds,' is derived from the strange mist that encircled Orochi's body. It was originally linked with the ancient legend of the serpent-slaying blade from the "Records of the Grand Historian." Other names for the sword include Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi and Kusanagi-no-Tachi. It is one of Japan's three sacred treasures.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Spoiler: Rider and NP description

A warrior clad in black armor wielding an elongated sword who has formed a contract with Yui Shousetsu. The two attacked Miyamoto Iori after he was acknowledged as a Master, but were stopped by the summoned Saber.

Perhaps due to being under someone's control, Rider turned against Shousetsu, who was unable to hide how shocking the Servant's sudden betrayal was.

Rider is being pursued by Rogue Saber for being an Evil Ogre that bears a grudge against the world. However, this does not seem to worry Rider in the slightest.
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It turned out that Rider turning against Shousetsu was merely a ploy to outwit Tsuchimikado and steal the Waxing Moon's Vessel. Rider was an exception capable of resisting Tsuchimikado's spell, much like the boss of Babyloni-ya and Circe.

At the height of a harrowing battle with Saber, Rider's shattered armor revealed the figure of a young female individual. With a callous smile, she proclaimed her True Name to be Ushi Gozen, child of Gozu-Tenno. Minamoto-no-Raikou was a demon child born in the city of Heian. Her demonic aspect has detached and become an independent entity. Wishing to fulfill Shousetsu's desire to set this crooked world aright, Ushi Gozen summoned the divine messenger in Asakusa. Letting her wild instincts rise to the surface, she began to rampage across Edo in the name of righting the world.

Ushi Gozen rampaged alongside the divine being, turning her back on Shousetsu's commands and threatening to engulf all the provinces of Kanto in a sea of flames. But by severing the leylines, and with the assistance of Rogue Saber, she was stopped before she could wreak widespread devastation. At the end of the fierce battle, she was defeated by Saber's Noble Phantasm, Sword of Heaven: Amenomurakumo-no-Tsurugi. Ushi Gozen enjoyed one final, peaceful reprise in the divine light of Saber's blade before fading away.
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Ushi Gozen rampaged alongside the divine being, turning her back on Shousetsu's commands and threatening to engulf all the provinces of Kanto in a sea of flames. But by severing the leylines, and with the assistance of Dorothea, she was stopped before she could wreak widespread devastation. At the end of the fierce battle, she was defeated by Saber's Noble Phantasm, Sword of Heaven: Amenomurakumo-no-Tsurugi. Ushi Gozen enjoyed one final, peaceful reprise in the divine light of Saber's blade before fading away.

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Ox-King Reversal: Frenzied Tempest​

User: Ushi Gozen
Rank: A
Class: Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm
Range: 0
Maximum Targets: 500 People

Resembling both a Tsuchigumo spider demon and an Ox-Ogre, the divine being that serves as Ushi Gozen's mount has its power momentarily amplified by Gozu-Tenno's strength and performs a vicious strike. Everything in its path is pulverized by its enormous mass, thunderbolts, and raging tempest winds.

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Doujigiri Yasutsuna​

User: Ushi Gozen
Rank: B
Class: Anti-Mystic Noble Phantasm
Range:
Maximum Targets: 1 Person

The long sword that is said to have been used to defeat Shuten-Douji on Mount Ooe. This Noble Phantasm is constantly active.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Spoiler: Archer and NP description

An Archer-class Servant who saved Miyamoto Iori and Saber at Koishikawa. As Iori had formed a pact to fight together with his Master, Zheng Chenggong, Archer revealed his true identity.

His True Name is Zhou Yu, the great general from the Later Han Dynasty. He was a loyal vassal to the Sun family for three generations and was notably close to his brother-in-law Sun Ce, known as the "Little Conqueror." At the Battle of Red Cliffs, Zhou Yu led Sun's forces to victory against Cao Cao's naval fleet. However, he died young of an illness, unable to see the establishment of the Wu Empire. The fire arrows and sky-faring louchuan warship that materialized from his legends are supposedly only a small fraction of the true power of his Noble Phantasm.


He had only one wish for which to battle for the Waxing Moon to serve his lord, and this time lead him to victory. However, when questioned about his true wish, he is said to have exclaimed in response, "Perhaps to have the Romance of the Three Kingdoms rewritten."
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Losing control over his own mind due to a powerful spell, Archer turned his arrows against the people of Akasaka, Iori, Saber, and even his own Master, Zheng Chenggong. For Archer, those actions could never be forgiven. As such, he elected to destroy his own damaged Spirit Core. He encouraged his friend, who would go on living in the world of man, to accomplish his goals through his own strength.

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Red Cliff Calamity: Cradle of Fire​

User: Zhou Yu
Rank: A
Class: Anti-Army Noble Phantasm
Range: 1
Maximum Targets: 1,000 People

The embodiment of the Battle of Red Cliffs.
Similar to a Reality Marble, powerful magecraft is utilized to change the surroundings into a blazing ship. It creates hell on earth, raining down fire and explosions until either the enemy's life or the user's magical energy burns out. When activated, it can remove all people who are unrelated to the fight from the area. Its activation requirements are a bit demanding, requiring the target to somehow be held in one place for a certain amount of time. For this reason, it is necessary to first make clever use of traps, ambushes, and psychological warfare to force the target into a corner.

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Fireship Afloat​

User: Zhou Yu
Rank: D
Class: Anti-Army Noble Phantasm
Range: 1
Maximum Targets: 100 People

Hellfire Ship Roaring Across Yangtze River.
A Noble Phantasm composed of a small louchuan warship and the bow that Archer carries. The ship, however, is a by-product of the Noble Phantasm; the bow is the linchpin. The arrows it releases explode on impact. In the Battle of Red Cliffs, fire ships played an important role as weapons. Rather than a materialization of the event, this Noble Phantasm sees that historical fact weaponized.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Spoiler: Caster and NP description

A mysterious Servant encountered in Okachimachi. He was accompanied by a masked onmyouji and seemed to be preparing some manner of spell, but the details are yet unknown.

His class is Caster, and he was seen at Tsuchimikado Yasuhiro's side. Speaking sarcastically to Tsuchimikado, he showed no signs of obeying him, treating him instead as nothing more than a simple collaborator. It seems his abilities are somehow related to the creation of the Waxing Moon Ritual.

After Tsuchimikado's death, Caster encountered Zheng Chenggong, who has lost Archer, and urged Zheng to form a contract with him. Caster was on the verge of disintegration, and Zheng Chenggong would do anything to attain victory. Even without Caster suggesting it, the aligning interests of the two parties meant that their contract was a foregone conclusion.


Caster's True Name is Hieda-no-Are. He was said to have helped compile the ancient Japanese record called the Kojiki. Due to his extraordinary memory, he was tasked by O-no-Yasumaro to memorize various literary texts. He is, however, a figure largely shrouded in mystery. It is not known for certain whether he was a man or woman, or even if he really existed at all. He engaged in a mortal conflict with Saber and Iori, perishing at its culmination. His obsession with recording various phenomena, as well as his preoccupation with memory, may have beenborn out of a desire to find proof of his own unsubstantiated existence.


After forming a new contract with Zheng Chenggong and reentering the Ritual, Caster encountered Chiemon acting alone and attempted to eliminate him. The difference in power between a Servant and a mere mage is irrefutable...or at least it should have been. The moment Caster tried to kill Chiemon, a lurid flame erupted from Chiemon's arm. It was a phenomenon that should have been impossible under normal circumstances. But Caster, enveloped in that miraculous flame, perished.

Consuming human souls while awaiting his chance to reenter the Ritual, Caster encountered Chiemon and attempted to devour him. The difference in power between a Servant and a mere mage is irrefutable...or at least it should have been. The moment Caster tried to kill Chiemon, a lurid flame erupted from Chiemon's arm. It was a phenomenon that should have been impossible under normal circumstances. But Caster, enveloped in that miraculous flame, perished.

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Puppet Playground​

User: Hieda-no-Are
Rank: EX
Class: Anti-Personnel Noble Phantasm
Range: 1
Maximum Targets: 3 People


A Reality Marble activated by Hieda-no-Are
with his eidetic memory. By using his own
reality as an outer shell to cover the Reality
Marble, he is able to interfere with the
mystical Spirit Origins of Heroic Spirits,
thereby considerably weakening their
capabilities.

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Invoke the Demigod: Yasomagatsuhi​

User: Hieda-no-Are
Rank: EX
Class: Creation Noble Phantasm
Range: None
Maximum Targets: None


Yasomagatsuhi, the god of calamity recorded in the Kojiki, as summoned by a Servant.
An incomplete summoning of a Divine Spirit. It is such a powerful Noble Phantasm that it requires a great deal of control to use properly. If even the slightest thing were to go wrong, Yasomagatsuhi would begin to run wild. If Puppet Playground can be considered a trump card, then this is a forbidden art to be used only when victory must be achieved at any cost.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Spoiler: Assassin and NP description

A masked, Assassin-class Heroic Spirit who can control snakes. He has a giant frame and spindly arms and legs. He often appears unexpectedly and even has a spell that can hold humans in thrall. Though his Master's name was revealed to be Dorothea Coyett, andtheir base was determined to be in Yokosuka, his true identity remains unknown.


Assassin, along with his Master Dorothea, engaged in battle with Miyamoto Iori and Saber at Yokosuka. Though he fought using several snakes of varying sizes, when Rider suddenly appeared and stole control of Great Orochi from him, Assassin and Dorothea readily fell back. As the two retreated, Assassin transformed his arm into a snake to leave Iori with a venomous bite as a parting gift.

Though hit with powerful magecraft that attempted to control him, Assassin is a Heroic Spirit associated with an ancient god. No simple spell would have been enough to control him. The reason he allowed himself to be controlled, then, was perhaps to test the caliber of his Master, Dorothea. Whatever the case, Assassin disappeared from view with a smile on his face.

Assassin transformed into a giant snake through his Noble Phantasm, Incarnation: Omen of the Great God Ibuki. Running on pure instinct, he attempted to devour the nearby residents, but Dorothea somehow managed to grab his attention. Assassin took the bait and gave chase. Knowing that Assassin could potentially run rampant and damage the city when using his Noble Phantasm, Dorothea had devised a countermeasure. Specifically, she had used a Command Spell to make Assassin automatically target her if he ever lost control. As such, Assassin was compelled to follow after her.

Even at the end, Miyamoto Iori never learned Assassin's true identity. According to Dorothea's attendant, Giovanni, Dorothea gave her life in order to vanquish the Servant.


Assassin's true identity was Kouga Saburou, the man cursed by the god Ibuki. A descendant of the Kouga clan, he was a mysterious man possessed of several strange abilities. He once traveled to the underworld beneath Mt. Ibuki and returned as a demon. He was summoned by Dorothea, who put confidence in his monstrous strength. Even so, he ultimately fell to a combination of Dorothea's magecraft, Iori's support, and Saber's Noble Phantasm.

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Incarnation: Omen of the Great God Ibuki​

User: Kouga Saburou
Rank: A+
Class: Transfiguration Noble Phantasm
Range:
Maximum Targets: 1 Person


By revealing his True Name, Assassin is able to transform into a monstrous fusion of human and giant serpent. Using the curse cast by the Great God Ibuki, who is also known by the name Yamata-no-Orochi, Assassin is bestowed the power to mutate his body into one optimized for battle. This Noble Phantasm greatly increases physical capabilities, granting immense strength, agility, and stamina with which to pulverize opponents. This form also gains advantages against humans and humanoid beings. The scales of Yamata-no-Orochi which cover its body will not only nullify any attacks without divinity, but also possess enough defensive strength to easily shrug off attacks from Heroic Spirits of the Three Knights classes. However, remaining in this form for too long will cause the curse to run rampant. Kouga Saburou will then lose all self-awareness and transform into a true monster that instinctively seeks to inflict death and destruction.

 

[LehenDuo]

anyway, if void shiki was completely omnipotent, she would have prevented her erasure by the counter force , since she would be present across all time, she is still stated to have a birth, so nope.


note how she says most and not ANY.

She does say "most", in the japanese, but the parsing itself of the text isn't anything even close to as clear as people want to make it seem.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

She does say "most", in the japanese, but the parsing itself of the text isn't anything even close to as clear as people want to make it seem.

—Ordinarily a creature whose being is poured out straight from " " simply dies in its mother's womb. That was my case. But the Ryougi clan possessed a technique for keeping such a thing alive. - Kara no Kyoukai: Epilogue

if she was completely omnipotent she would be able to sustain her own existence without help

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Spoiler: Rogue Saber and NP description

An armored Rogue Servant who appeared in Koishikawa riding a gray horse. By Lancer's estimation, he is a Saber.

Rogue Saber is chasing after Rider and Lancer, calling them the "Evil Ogre" and the "Cohort of the Evil Ogre" respectively. Exactly why he is after the two of them remains a mystery.

Rogue Saber fought alongside Miyamoto Iori and Saber at Todoroki. Unlike other Rogue Servants, he has a tendency to appear in unexpected places. And like Rogue Berserker, he possesses the strength to move freely, without being bound to a leyline. Though he has not learned Rider's True Name, he has declared Rider's supposed unholy aura to be that of an evil ogre who bears a grudge against the world, and therefore intends to vanquish the malevolent Servant.

When the powerful spell had taken control of many of the Servants, Rogue Saber retained his sanity and met up with Iori and Saber. Though he himself did not understand why he was unaffected, he pledged to lend Iori his aid.

Rogue Saber came to assist Iori and Saber, who were struggling in combat against the divine being controlled by Ushi Gozen. His Noble Phantasm, On Arorikya Sowaka, gave Iori and Saber the chance to turn the tide. Ushi Gozen ultimately fell to Saber's blade. Having continued to fight for so long while separated from his Spirit Font, Rogue Saber finally became unable to maintain his Spirit Origin. After seeing Ushi Gozen's defeat with his own eyes, he faded from sight.

Rogue Saber's True Name is Kiso Yoshinaka, the hero who defeated the Taira clan's forces at the Battle of Kurikara and the conqueror of the Hokuriku region. He did well in climbing the ranks, even being asked by the former emperor to guard the capital, but was ultimately defeated by Minamoto Noriyori and Minamoto Yoshitsune, who were under orders from their brother, Minamoto Yoritomo. After fighting in countless battles with his wife, Tomoe Gozen, by his side, he had her removed from his forces at the end so that she might survive, and he then died at the Battle of Awazu.

Tomoe Gozen had ogre blood in her veins, though not the savage kind. Rather, she was descended from good ogres who revered peace and harmony. It was precisely because of his love for his wife's good nature that he detested and sought to slay the "Evil Ogre" who was operating from the shadows in Edo.

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On Arorikya Sowaka​

User: Kiso Yoshinaka
Rank: B+
Class: Anti-Personnel Noble Phantasm
Range: 1
Maximum Targets: 1 Person
Asahi Shogun. The mantra of the bodhisattva, Avalokitevara the principal deity of Gichu-ji, the temple where Kiso Yoshinaka himself was buried is chanted as a slash of gleaming sunlight blazes forth. It is also known as the Avalokitevara Sun Sword. In the Tale of Heike, Kiso Yoshinaka was called the "Shogun of the Rising Sun," but there is no evidence of him using power similar to that of this Noble Phantasm. It could possibly be a special technique that he obtained after becoming a Servant.

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Press the Attack: Kurikara Pass​

User: Kiso Yoshinaka
Rank: B
Class: Anti-Army Noble Phantasm
Range: 1
Maximum Targets: 500 People
An Anti-Army Noble Phantasm inspired by the story of the great Taira army's defeat. Numerous raging bulls with lit torches attached to their horns rush in from all directions, trampling enemy forces. The sounds of war horns, drums, and the cries of the bulls cause the very air to tremble. The area is instantly transformed into a hellish land of darkness and existential confusion. Yoshinaka claims this power is the divine protection of the god Hachiman, but it is functionally a Reality Marble.

Spoiler: Rogue Berserker and NP description

A Rogue Servant bound to the Spirit Font of Yoshiwara, this long-haired warrior of imposing physique had lost all reason when summoned as a Berserker. Somehow quieted by Takao Dayu, he became the guardian of Yoshiwara. To that purpose, he violently confronted the visiting Miyamoto Iori and Saber.

Following the battle with Rogue Berserker, Iori found a gorgeous wakizashi. It seemed strange that a foreign warrior would be carrying a Japanese sword. If it were indeed his, then how did he procure it?

Under the control of some entity's powerful magecraft that only affected Rogues, he harried off to the south where he confronted Iori at Kanagawa Port. The conflict was then further ignited with the arrival of Archer and Musashi.

His True Name is Samson, the hero of Israel spoken of in the Old Testament. He was the redoubtable judge who slayed lions and felled opponents in droves. Consecrated at birth, he would remain invincible so long as he never drank alcohol or cut his hair. And yet, after revealing the secret of his invulnerability to his love Delilah, he was betrayed. With his hair shorn, he was apprehended in a temple by the Philistines. Summoning the last reserves of his strength, he brought the temple down upon the heads of his captors and breathed his last beneath the rubble.

For reasons unclear, he was taken with Takao Dayu and allowed her to cut his hair. His first and last words were a simple, "Thank you."

The first person to notice his materialization was Takao Dayu's Servant, Miyamoto Musashi. When news of the two Servants rampaging through Yoshiwara reached her ears, Dayu herself rushed to the scene. This was when Samson laid eyes on her for the first time. For him, she bore the same presence as the person he loved, resented, and longed to forgive.

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Samson Agonistes​

User: Samson
Rank: EX
Class: Enhancement Noble Phantasm
Range:
Maximum Targets: 1 Person
I Am the Champion of Contrition. A blessing from God. This Noble Phantasm is constantly active, granting Samson unparalleled strength, limitless stamina, and unfathomable vitality. His only weakness is his hair. By having his hair cut by a woman, the retelling of his legend would be complete. Without his hair, his monstrous strength would vanish, and his once seemingly infinite stamina and vitality would decrease substantially.

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Delilah​

User: Samson
Rank: B
Class: Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm
Range: 0
Maximum Targets: 500 People

Whither My Love. An anguished strike comprised of all his strength. Samson's body turns red hot as he swings his fist. Though it certainly boasts considerable power as an Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm, it cannot be used in quick succession. Samson must recuperate for a period of time after using it, during which he becomes unable to move. Though still able to make other attacks or defend, Samson becomes fairly sluggish during this period.

 

[LehenDuo]

if she was completely omnipotent she would be able to sustain her own existence without help

She wouldn't even HAVE an exisence without that process, I don't understand your point (and it is a question if she does after that, or is a compound of sorts)
Have you read the entirety of KNK?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Can someone say a Nasuverse character that i can recomend here?
https://vsbattles.com/threads/darkn...oes-villains-stats-equal.159067/#post-6071716

I was thinking in suggesting Illya and Roa.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

She wouldn't even HAVE an exisence without that process, I don't understand your point (and it is a question if she does after that, or is a compound of sorts)
Have you read the entirety of KNK?

if she was the root, she would exist at all points in time, leaving that process unneeded

 

[LehenDuo]

if she was the root, she would exist at all points in time, leaving that process unneeded

All that is answered in the Epilogue.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Does someone knows what Roa first move in a battle is?

Fusion combat Heroes and villains: Battle number 1: Vermadon, Son of The First Spinjitzu Master Sparda vs Roatsuki

Every Single combatants Attack Power, Durability, and Speed are equalized to the same level. Rules: SBA, 30 meters of initial distance, First key Roa, Human Garmadon is used in case it is not clear, Muramasa is given but not the cards to Vermadon, dead apostles weak to only holy/conceptual...

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[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Does someone knows what Roa first move in a battle is?

Fusion combat Heroes and villains: Battle number 1: Vermadon, Son of The First Spinjitzu Master Sparda vs Roatsuki

Every Single combatants Attack Power, Durability, and Speed are equalized to the same level. Rules: SBA, 30 meters of initial distance, First key Roa, Human Garmadon is used in case it is not clear, Muramasa is given but not the cards to Vermadon, dead apostles weak to only holy/conceptual...

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his magecraft lightning perhaps. It is super busted since it could fight off conceptual reality warpers

 

[LehenDuo]

Going off Melty Blood games and Tsukihime, depending on the level of seriousness, he would fire a thunderbolt (which seems like he is able to do as a One-Step Incantation, something like snap finger -> fire tbolt) or multiple using shortened+repetitive incantantion, or use the become lightning + aim for the "lines of life" going more on a TsukiRE side.

Roa, even though a very "intellectual" character, does act in a very irrational way because he basically can get away with it, given he is the Infinite Reincarnator.
It wouldn't be below him to "play with his food" ro things like that, leaving himself open - but at the same time he wouldn't be completely unprepared. Even in the scene Arcueid wind slices him to shreds, he had Time Magecraft set up to heal his body.

Roa is basically a top class Magi with 17 lifes worth of knowledge and experience + DA(A) status, and in this reincarnation, capable of seeing lines of life.
Even though he probably isn't as much of a sheer powerhouse as he was with Ciel/Elesia's body, he is still one of the strongest magus overall, with DA status added to that.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Going off Melty Blood games and Tsukihime, depending on the level of seriousness, he would fire a thunderbolt (which seems like he is able to do as a One-Step Incantation, something like snap finger -> fire tbolt) or multiple using shortened+repetitive incantantion, or use the become lightning + aim for the "lines of life" going more on a TsukiRE side.

Roa, even though a very "intellectual" character, does act in a very irrational way because he basically can get away with it, given he is the Infinite Reincarnator.
It wouldn't be below him to "play with his food" ro things like that, leaving himself open - but at the same time he wouldn't be completely unprepared. Even in the scene Arcueid wind slices him to shreds, he had Time Magecraft set up to heal his body.

Roa is basically a top class Magi with 17 lifes worth of knowledge and experience + DA(A) status, and in this reincarnation, capable of seeing lines of life.
Even though he probably isn't as much of a sheer powerhouse as he was with Ciel/Elesia's body, he is still one of the strongest magus overall, with DA status added to that.

Quick question, to you how good would Roa be against other notable magus like circe, Abe-no-Sabei, Merlin, Morgan or Medea (I was going to add Solomon but he's so...well, it's Solomon)

 

[LehenDuo]

Quick question, to you how good would Roa be against other notable magus like circe, Abe-no-Sabei, Merlin, Morgan or Medea (I was going to add Solomon but he's so...well, it's Solomon)

Morgan and Merlin are basically "their own class", as they are not really human to begin with. Medea is called one of the strongest magi to have ever lived, and she should be similar in power to Circe, who is well, her teacher, even though going at least by skill ranks alone, Medea has somehow surpassed het teacher.

All those above are not really the same "type" of Magi as Roa. Medea and Circe are full Age of Gods magi, Merlin and Morgan are not only not human, but creatures of Mystery on their own.

So, at least as far as Magecraft skills goes, the comparison that modern (Age of Man) magecraft is basically like vapour, while Age of Gods magecraft is like water, should still hold. Ciel has been said to be completely outmatched in any type of Magecraft battle, and she has inherited the knowledge Roa had, AND has the better circuit overall.

There's nothing in modernity that could come close to even stand a chance to Rhongobongo Magecraft that Morgan has, for example. Now, at least against Medea and Circe, Roa should somewhat stand a chance I would say, but not because of his skills in magecraft, but because Medea and Circe are at the end of the day Human, while Roa is a DAA. In a full moon this could give him a chance. Against Morgan and Merlin, though, even that chance I think would be equal to nothing

Abe-no-Seimei I wouldn't know, can't remember much about the expositions on his strenghts/etc.

Solomon has the cheat Ten Rings, so yeah. but Roa could maye leverage his DAA skills and the life lines to one up him.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Quick question, to you how good would Roa be against other notable magus like circe, Abe-no-Sabei, Merlin, Morgan or Medea (I was going to add Solomon but he's so...well, it's Solomon)

prime roa would pretty much beat them all in a fight (including solomon), imo. but 17th/modern roa would win against medea and circe

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I'm more interested on what can Vlov do against a servant, first i want to know how well he can fight against Saber Artoria

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

I'm more interested on what can Vlov do against a servant, first i want to know how well he can fight against Saber Artoria

probably well since he held off a weakened arcueid and ciel in their routes.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Archetype Earth 1-A thread

Credit to @Grand_Saver_Ritsuka and grindsetgang for providing me with scans and such. First, in MBAA, a fight between arcueid and shiki occurs. Ryougi explicitly states that Void is the one urging her to do this instinctively and is behind all of this...

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burenyuu

 

[LehenDuo]

I'm more interested on what can Vlov do against a servant, first i want to know how well he can fight against Saber Artoria

I seriously think it would be something like Saber vs Medusa in Heavens Feel.
If Vlov went absolute zero freezing field it could be a problem (I'm reasonably sure Idea Bloods wouldn't be countered by Magic Resistance, but it's not like it has been confirmed anywhere as far as I know), but Saber could just overpower and one-up speed him so hard...
Dash -> Mana Burst -> repeat, Vlov would be left with the option of watching himself being depleted of his already low reserves

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Quick question, to you how good would Roa be against other notable magus like circe, Abe-no-Sabei, Merlin, Morgan or Medea (I was going to add Solomon but he's so...well, it's Solomon)

Tbh at Roa's Prime, he wielded arcuied's power which rivalled that of TYPE MOON, and with that added to his own, he stomped a character who surpassed TYPE moon with primate murder. Aka he should be massively above a TYPE level character. Dude was also called the strongest dead apostle ancestor and took control of all other DAA by force. That means he should scale above BB, and you know what bs she is.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Tbh at Roa's Prime, he wielded arcuied's power which rivalled that of TYPE MOON, and with that added to his own, he stomped a character who surpassed TYPE moon with primate murder. Aka he should be massively above a TYPE level character. Dude was also called the strongest dead apostle ancestor and took control of all other DAA by force. That means he should scale above BB, and you know what bs she is.

then the remake made him rank vi fodder. though there is the possible ability of him being able to inherit other ancestors principles.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I seriously think it would be something like Saber vs Medusa in Heavens Feel.
If Vlov went absolute zero freezing field it could be a problem (I'm reasonably sure Idea Bloods wouldn't be countered by Magic Resistance, but it's not like it has been confirmed anywhere as far as I know), but Saber could just overpower and one-up speed him so hard...
Dash -> Mana Burst -> repeat, Vlov would be left with the option of watching himself being depleted of his already low reserves

Oof, i guess he couldn't do much against the other top tier servants, because next i want him to face against the like of Siegfried and Raikou

 

[KingNanaya]

I'm working on getting all of the Nasuverse scans and putting them in a folder on my computer. I plan on doing the FGO, The Root, and Servant phys pages today. if you want to help, add me on discord.

 

[Tdjwo]

I'm working on getting all of the Nasuverse scans and putting them in a folder on my computer. I plan on doing the FGO, The Root, and Servant phys pages today. if you want to help, add me on discord.

Nice! Do you have their raw versions as well?

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

I'm working on getting all of the Nasuverse scans and putting them in a folder on my computer. I plan on doing the FGO, The Root, and Servant phys pages today. if you want to help, add me on discord.

whats your discord?

 

[KingNanaya]

whats your discord?

goofynanaya

 

[KingNanaya]

Nice! Do you have their raw versions as well?

no, but praying I can find the raws. I'm scouring through the wiki pages for everything

 

[Tdjwo]

Is anyone having issues with their notifications? Eveytime I try tapping "mark read," it automatically says "the requested page could not be found." I always have to tap every notification and view the posts before they can be marked as read. The glitch has been running for days now.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Is anyone having issues with their notifications? Eveytime I try tapping "mark read," it automatically says "the requested page could not be found." I always have to tap every notification and view the posts before they can be marked as read. The glitch has been running for days now.

nope

 

[LehenDuo]

I'm working on getting all of the Nasuverse scans and putting them in a folder on my computer. I plan on doing the FGO, The Root, and Servant phys pages today. if you want to help, add me on discord.

Sufficient Velocity and Space Battles TYPE-MOON threads have a lot of material, if you are looking for that.
And Beast Lair, but that's more obvious I think