How many verse have Negative Theology? Only ones I know are;
- Nasuverse
- Self Reference Engine
- Journey to the west
Since when does journey to the west have that, unsong has negative theology and elder scrolls ehh the original cm has it
Cthulu mythos has negative theology? Would love an elabroation if you don't mind, but i assume it has something to do with supreme archetype
It does have implications but it's poorly implemented and not explained properly, I remember they said azathoth exists in a realm thats Inconceivable and no lips dare speak of his name aloud which seems in line with the ineffability thesis.
Supreme archetype could be argued to have that but that's also poorly implemented, because the only statements of it are things like "above logic and above conception" which is not enough to say that thing has negative theology.
There are quite a few iirc. I know Twin Peaks has it for one. DC could probably have it through Overvoid.
I don't know about twin peaks but DC doesn't have negative theology.
You can scale above someone with Apophatic Theology iirc. You just can't be apophatic to them. Otherwise it just becomes the same cringe omnipotence we stopped using
Can you give me an example as to how you'd scale above negative theology? because that's an inherent contradiction to it.
I mean, yes and no. Yes as in it's a cool concept (one that fits the idea that even if God existed, we wouldn't be able to understand its existence), and no that it's different from omnipotence cause it's literally about God, who is omnipotent. This is just one such quality of his
No, omnipotence if we exclude how fiction; represents would just be something that scales to logical possible worlds and can do any logical possible as a necessary being negative theology is still above that by technicality.
Well no that's not true. Apophatic Theology is supposed to be indescribable, yes, but that doesn't mean you can't scale above it. Unless I missed something that doesn't seem right
You can't at all without contradicting it unfortunately, because if something Inverse atleast scales above it some fundamental truth about that Ineffable being exist in correspondence to reality; that being that it scales below some other being.
Well no, not really because Omnipotence quite literally means all-powerful. What you're describing is literally that, to the point where you've even said that being stronger than someone with apophasis contradicts the very nature of apophasis.
I'm pretty sure omnipotence is all-power because it can affect all logical possibilities/possible worlds, it can't go beyond the confines of that to affect impossible worlds.
I remember talking with someone knowledgeable philosophy, quantum mechanics and mathematics at an academic level. He told me he believed either bohms implicate and explicate order scales at the very least to negative theology and also pataphysics which I didn't believe, but the general consensus was that it's actually plausible.
Actually, not really?
One argument that arose from Apophatic Theology is that God doesn't exist, because existing itself is a characteristic of his creation, and therefore he's above that. So, at least RL Apophatic Theology and the God it tries to described is above that, as it should be above ANY and ALL dualities.
Oh ye the predicate [exist] doesn't apply to it but similarly the predicate [nonexistent] doesn't apply to it too
No it's not. That's stupid. A fictional character was described as being apophatic by its author. That doesn't make the fictional character above the author. The argument is literal nonsense
It was never described as Apopathic tho? If it was that was a shit implementation of it, in the nasuverse even for the author it was difficult to pronounce [] so they went out of their way to use [kara]. If a verse implements negative theology perfectly like Unsong excluding the nasuverse then describing it as indescribable is not enough to be Apophatic to begin with hence it would be a shit way to implement it.
Where Nasuverse really scales
