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Nasuverse: Base Servant Stats Revisions

Moon level Servants is indeed a massive ******* outlier, no matter what scans you bring you aren't making the gap from low 7-B to ******* 5-C NOT an outlier.



Excuse my french but seriously the fact that I'm even seeing this nonsense is the reason why most people from different websites think we wank the verse. 2-A was generous enough and now yall want 5-C Servants huh?
 
lets save the 2-A talk for anohter thread or talk about it on the General Discussion of the Nasuverse, but not here..

also only 1 person thinks it is worth debating the 5-C part.

but.. like the planet is such a weird thing in Nasuverse giving it a proper tier is... almost impossible..
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
lets save the 2-A talk for anohter thread or talk about it on the General Discussion of the Nasuverse, but not here..

also only 1 person thinks it is worth debating to achieve 5-C

but.. like the planet is such a weird thing in Nasuverse giving it a proper tier is... almost impossible..
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That’s fine, I heard they were downgrading it to 2-B, so I wanted to know the specifics.
 
Well, since it was not a Tsar Bomba and seems to be just an average Hydrogen Bomb, 7-B would make more sense instead of 7-B+. Does not seem too far off from Low 7-B, since Karna's magical energy burst was pretty casual.

I was also thinking about Heracles destroying a mountain, and also Hippolyta, with Goddess of War, likewise really destroyed one when fighting Archer Heracles. Can anyone calc this?
 
CYCLOHEXANE-2 said:
Well, since it was not a Tsar Bomba and seems to be just an average Hydrogen Bomb, 7-B would make more sense instead of 7-B+.

I was also thinking about Heracles destroying a mountain, and also Hippolyta, with Goddess of War, likewise really destroyed one when fighting Archer Heracles. Can anyone calc this?
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when did Hippolyta destroy a mountain? how much information do we have on it?
 
Right after the first time Alcides and Gilgamesh fight, after Alcides no sells GoB, IIRC
Polyta shows up out of nowhere and punches Alcides into a ''mountain'', which he destroys trying to get out of
 
Anyway, lets get back on topic.

I think that we have two options, either they downscale to 7A from Salters High 7A Bennu vaporizing feat, or they are Low 7B
 
Every servant that assisted in your journey appears to help.
These same servants overpower the pillars.

Disregarding the moon level Demon Pillars for the moment, under Goetia's profile they're placed at 6-C. If this is in any way an agreed upon tier for them, this by default can effectively solve the 6-C servant scaling.

The Pillars themselves were baffled by the fact individual servants could overpower them.
They were being wiped out en masse.

As seen in the links, the Pillars are a hive mind operating in sectors as nerves. They explicitly state how many of them are getting destroyed in rapid succession, even suggesting leaving the space that is very much composed of them. There is no reason to doubt the pillars themselves, their very destruction as well as their own words proves the involved Servants are relative or possibly even superior.

Romani is confident Chaldea can land a decisive blow due to the Servant efforts.

This is further substantiated by the aforementioned showings. Even servants of the Orleans singularity are confident in Chaldea's ability to defeat the pillars as well their own.
 
Strife304 said:
Every servant that assisted in your journey appears to help.
These same servants overpower the pillars.

Disregarding the moon level Demon Pillars for the moment, under Goetia's profile they're placed at 6-C. If this is in any way an agreed upon tier for them, this by default can effectively solve the 6-C servant scaling.

The Pillars themselves were baffled by the fact individual servants could overpower them.
They were being wiped out en masse.

As seen in the links, the Pillars are a hive mind operating in sectors as nerves. They explicitly state how many of them are getting destroyed in rapid succession, even suggesting leaving the space that is very much composed of them. There is no reason to doubt the pillars themselves, their very destruction as well as their own words proves the involved Servants are relative or possibly even superior.

Romani is confident Chaldea can land a decisive blow due to the Servant efforts.

This is further substantiated by the aforementioned showings. Even servants of the Orleans singularity are confident in Chaldea's ability to defeat the pillars as well their own.
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I think this should be evaluated, given the scaling between Demon Pillars & Servant are quite prevalent.
 
Low 7B to High 6A for the whole series and even other Nasuverse works is so widely inconsistent its not even funny

Id be more inclined to say 5C is not combat applicable
 
Doesn't some character imply they could handle demon god pillars themselves? Archer Gilgamesh, and Queen Sheba?

well if Saber Altered didn't vaporize all of Beenu why not say she Vaped a quarter of it, or half of it?
 
Schnee_One said:
Low 7B to High 6A for the whole series and even other Nasuverse works is so widely inconsistent its not even funny

Id be more inclined to say 5C is not combat applicable
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Why do you say that? If there’s multiple sources of evidence I don’t think it can be that inconsistent, but that’s just my take, I’m only rudimentary in knowledge in FGO.
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
Doesn't some character imply they could handle demon god pillars themselves? Archer Gilgamesh, and Queen Sheba?

well if Saber Altered didn't vaporize all of Beenu why not say she Vaped a quarter of it, or half of it?
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Not only that, but Ozymandias literally becomes Demon God Amon Ra in the Camelot singularity.. and you defeat him as a test to prove your worth.
 
I mean, the Nasuverse is inconsistent, that is just a fact. Nasu just doesn't care for consistency if it means something that would be nice would have to be axed, see UBW Excalibur in EX-verse.


And Nasu is particularly bad at understanding scale. Kingu is flying at 500kmph and Gilgamesh calls that fast/a speed he would have trouble achieving (something like that)... Do I need to say anything more?
 
@Milly_Rocking_Bandit Multiple sources? There's one fight in the entire series that involves the servants scaling to demon pillars and theres only one mention of them stopping the earths rotation.

Strife gave scans regarding that one instance. On top of this, an outlier isn't so much that the servants scale but its the fact that Demon Pillars are High 6A to begin with. They can still scale to servants but not be High 6A.
 
Why not divide the beenu feat up by a percentage?

If she vaped a part of beenu take the beenu calc and then use 25% of it or 50% of it or 10% of it
 
Err....That is literally the reason for the original downgrade.

Taking a random number and assuming it for scaling isn't accepted and that is literally why we are here.
 
Schnee_One said:
@Milly_Rocking_Bandit Multiple sources? There's one fight in the entire series that involves the servants scaling to demon pillars and theres only one mention of them stopping the earths rotation.

Strife gave scans regarding that one instance. On top of this, an outlier isn't so much that the servants scale but its the fact that Demon Pillars are High 6A to begin with. They can still scale to servants but not be High 6A.
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So you’re separating the feat of the demon pillars and the earth’s rotation from their AP?
 
Schnee_One said:
@Milly_Rocking_Bandit Multiple sources? There's one fight in the entire series that involves the servants scaling to demon pillars and theres only one mention of them stopping the earths rotation.

Strife gave scans regarding that one instance. On top of this, an outlier isn't so much that the servants scale but its the fact that Demon Pillars are High 6A to begin with. They can still scale to servants but not be High 6A.
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That latter half is false, you fight a Demon Pillar in every singularity up to Solomon's temple.
 
im going to grab the context of that demon god pillars stopping the planets rotation. im pretty sure it was a shared feat.
 
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