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Nasuverse: 6-C Mages
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the dude was already losing a shit ton of blood by archer and wasnt even able to stand anymore
if you as a thread-mod, are using arguments at the same level as hill-level bleach and laser level goku, your opinion deserves a bit more scrutinizing. and bit is a understatement.
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bro didnt even use the vn, probably because it wouldn't fit his narrative.
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guess I can't get thread mod
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cant have shit in vsbw
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I don't remember that happening in Shimousa TBH
Or Goetia can be scaled on his own merits and not by using the famously inconsistent Rank System.
It was easier for me to grab the YouTube link
By like 2 seconds lol
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So when the Servants do 9-A environmental damage in literally every fight, should we only scale them to that?
Outliers, in my opinion, should only be used when something is irreconcilably the case. The Kuzuki statement isn't irreconcilable from what you've shown, and the Servant feats I showed are only to add consistency, they're not a main argument.
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angra's shades, which are a lot weaker than him, the weakest servant, is able to beat a martial arts master who trained for 10 years, in 3 seconds.
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Servants have other feats.
When the strongest feat that isn't like Rin fighting Cursed Arm(Which I cant comment on cause I'm a naughty boy and havent done shit for Heaven's Feel) is a 9-A feat that temporarily incaps the guy that tanked it(albeit he was weakened), yeah, we're going the outlier route.
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Cool, doesn't mean Goetia can't dip lower. Even though Ritsuka probably beats that Martial artist physically anyway cause he's an actively decent CQC fighter.
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dip lower than the weakest servant? highly doubt it
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it's what we're shown
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no, thats just an assumption
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bro, these push notifs are mad useful fr fr
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Goetia had his rings that make him so OP and one of his things that makes him immortal blow up in his face point blank spectacularly. He's literally rated as unknown in his final key BECAUSE he got beat by Ritsuka
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I was referring to Rin vs Caster
I don't think this gives us warrant to just ignore scaling, especially when there's ways to argue for why Kuzuki being that strong isn't unreasonable.
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I'll just reiterate what I said before.
Nasuverse honestly imo should have all its profiles deleted and rebuilt from the ground up. They're horrendous rn even ignoring the WoG debate.
And someone should make an accepted cosmology blog. Most verses that are heavily reliant on cosmology scaling have those, and how Nasuverse scraped by this long without one is astounding.
Nasuverse honestly imo should have all its profiles deleted and rebuilt from the ground up. They're horrendous rn even ignoring the WoG debate.
And someone should make an accepted cosmology blog. Most verses that are heavily reliant on cosmology scaling have those, and how Nasuverse scraped by this long without one is astounding.
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I've been working on this recently, gathering all the stuff from old CRTs
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even without his rings, he's a beast class servant who are equal to a grand servant
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I ****** with UBW Anime like 4 years ago TBH, so I can't comment on that one either
And there are ways to argue the other way around
Most of em are, the more recent ones like my Qin Shi Huang profile are actually built with references and shit
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A Grand Servant used a self-destruction super-attack in his face. Solomon was Grand Caster.
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i already know this, but to state a servant in one of the if not the strongest classes got weakened all the way to human level is just ridiculous.
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Yeah, and I'm saying I don't think they're good. Your position requires you to just unnecessarily ignore information, while mine requires me to argue around the rock level feats, to which there's like 100 times as many for Servants that we all ignore.
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The most ridiculous things are often correct.
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Then we're at an impass, we don't think the other's arguments are solid and I don't see a way to end this circular debate lol
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I think this has to do with how the verse is handled here lol. Which is why my previous comment says it should be rebuilt from the ground up
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Pretty much, yes. None of them should be Tier 6, that much is for certain. That's all based on a single possible statement from FGO that every Servant is cross scaling to despite their consistent showings well below that.
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I think asserting that a clear statement is wrong is a greater claim than saying the rock level feats don't really tell us much. There's rock level feats that under your view would downgrade nearly every character in fiction, and if they don't, what's the threshold for something being "reasonable enough" to be above rock level?
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a beast class container is already superior to a normal servant container. Ashiya Douma tried to absorb 5 servants and a couple of divine spirits to ascend to the class
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It's also directly stated that Rin would die in an instant if she tried to fight Kuzuki, so the idea of Rin scaling to him with her base stats is terrible.
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TBH I do agree with it being rebuilt from the ground up, but really, what should be done is just working on the current profiles one by one, only the most irredeemable and stonewalled verses should be outright deleted, like Warcraft was
TBH I personally scale to Servants to 6-C cause it does have multiple feats to it's name, with tier 7 being an acceptable substitute push comes to shove
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isn't that for when he's enhanced, a.k.a. when he can literally dislocate Saber's shoulder with bare hands?
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And when all of your best things literally blow up in your face, you're stated to be weakened, and you start getting beat by a 9-C guy, clearly you Scale to 9-C(9-C, possibly 9-B, in this case)
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physically strong mages should be upgraded to 6-c+ due to scaling off kuzuki and a few others
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You can be 10-C and dislocate a shoulder or wrist, or even most joints if you're good enough
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you're forgetting the fact that ritsuka had to use mash's shield to defend himself
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