Naruto Upgrades Part 2: 5-B Base Naruto and Sasuke

[TheFinalOrder]

?? why did you ask that when most ppl here who disagree with the upgraded cuz their showing is more inconsistent than it was consistent.

Because it's not inconsistent, and i'd like to show that personally but, only after I know how you stand on Characters consistently being portrayed a certsin way in general by an author.

If you don't want to, that's fine.

 

[Sins32]

?? argument for those who disagree is because they're have more anti feats who puts them at lower level.

 

[AstralKing7]

Hmm it's actually more people agreeing than disagreeing if we wanna be honest. The way you made it sound is if we go by numbers when deciding what's right

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Agreed: Me, Astral, Nedge1000, M3x, Shadow, Mindovin, KLOL, Omimi, BFF, Sasukesolo, I am Myself, Amexim, Wrath of Itachi, Dzhindzholia, Ricsi-viragosi, AnimeKong500, TenshiG (17)
Neutral: AppleLord, Pachi2, LordGriffin, Rin the Dragon, Magi Hussie (5)

Disagreed: Kep, IMade, The Causality, Qawsedf, Zzsax, FictionExpert, The C2, Sins32, RegisNex1232, Mr.Common Sense(10)

Confusing Answer: Jobbo, Sigurd Snake, Hst, Wokistan

Updated.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

?? argument for those who disagree is because they're have more anti feats who puts them at lower level.

There isn't anti-feats. I'll prove it to you, if you give me an answer about how you feel about consistent portrayal.

 

[Sins32]

There are anti feats, dozen of them, It doesn't consistently portrayed them as planet level at all.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

There are anti feats, dozen of them, It doesn't consistently portrayed them as planet level at all.

Dude, I'm asking you a simple question you are dodging. Not even about Naruto, just consistent portrayal of characters in General.

 

[AstralKing7]

Tmw people don't realize their are outlier that can be low besides just high. In momos case it's both an outlier and pis. Momoshiki is 5B. I don't see why we are arguing this at all. Now I'm starting to think that whoever brought up Momoshiki in the first place is just derailing this discussions.

Let's not focus on Momoshikis rating because it was accepted as 5B for a reason. We need to focus back on Sasuke and not freaking momodhiki, cause it seems like people are coming outa no where in the Wood works to see any attempt at downgrading Momoshiki when this isn't the thread for it

 

[Sins32]

Because I not sure why you asking those question when that was the reasoning for people who disagree with the upgrade.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Because I not sure why you asking those question when that was the reasoning for people who disagree with the upgrade.

I'm asking you, because the claim the portrayal isn't consistent is false, and I can prove it to you. But I rather not waist my time if you don't care about portrayal at all. It's not hard.

 

[Sins32]

Tmw people don't realize their are outlier that can be low besides just high. In momos case it's both an outlier and pis. Momoshiki is 5B. I don't see why we are arguing this at all. Now I'm starting to think that whoever brought up Momoshiki in the first place is just derailing this discussions.
Let's not focus on Momoshikis rating because it was accepted as 5B for a reason. We need to focus back on Sasuke and not freaking momodhiki, cause it seems like people are coming outa no where in the Wood works to see any attempt at downgrading Momoshiki when this isn't the thread for it

Momoshiki is relevant to the upgrade/downgrade

 

[AstralKing7]

You do realize that reasoning wasn't brought back when we had 5B revisions right??? Now do you see why this is BS and it's getting annoying. People keep bringing up 7A bs when staff members already disagree with it. Leave it alone and stop kicking a dead horse. This is literally derailing the thread badly.

If people disagree with Momoshikis rating then we have a CRT forum. We as well would like to know which other verses would need revisions because of this logic that Momoshiki should be 7A because of PIS and outliers

 

[Sins32]

I'm asking you, because the claim the portrayal isn't consistent is false, and I can prove it to you. But I rather not waist my time if you don't care about portrayal at all. It's not hard.

?? They have dozen of anti feats, thus it doesn't consistently portrayed them as planet. You ask me questions that you already know the answer to.

 

[ChosenOrDeath]

I disagree with the upgrade. IMade reasons has made the most sense to me as of right now

 

[Qawsedf234]

It seems like a decent number of the agree people haven't commented at all in this thread.

 

[Sins32]

You do realize that reasoning wasn't brought back when we had 5B revisions right??? Now do you see why this is BS and it's getting annoying. People keep bringing up 7A bs when staff members already disagree with it. Leave it alone and stop kicking a dead horse. This is literally derailing the thread badly.
If people disagree with Momoshikis rating then we have a CRT forum. We as well would like to know which other verses would need revisions because of this logic that Momoshiki should be 7A because of PIS and outliers

We should't use 1 or 2 outliner/feats and ignore dozen of anti feats.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Also wouldn't at least 6-B work for Momo, Kinshiki, base Naruto, and base Sasuke?

 

[Sins32]

I can agree with that

 

[AstralKing7]

You do realize I was talking about the anti feats right???? Matter of fact there is only one anti feat. That's where Momoshiki hit gaaras sand. He one shotted everyone else. Gaaras sand is PIS and the fact that Momoshiki blast the sand away with his fist is a outlier. Two type of outliers if you didn't know but I want explain that.

 

[StrongClick]

Upgrades seem like wank, imade and kep seem to be making the more logical arguements I agree with them.

 

[AstralKing7]

Naw more like downgrade seems like wank also it seems like you weren't reading cause Kep disagrees with 7A Momoshiki

Read the thread bruh. That's when one can make logical claims not based on another's faulty reasoning

 

[Qawsedf234]

Momo is to inconsistent for 5-B in anything other than durability and Lava Golem AP from my view. Why not make them 6-B based on Naruto's durability? It would probably be something like "At least 6-B, likely higher".

 

[Sins32]

I think the one who make the logical argument is via using an actual argument back up by scans and not realied on PIS, CIS and WIS

Why ppl using PIS, CIS and WIS to disprove something instead of treat them as anti feats.

 

[AstralKing7]

You do realize Momoshiki does not scale to base Naruto right??? Base Naruto doesn't even scale to Momoshiki either. Base Momoshiki knocked out Chakra cloak Naruto and was overpowering chakra cloak Naruto plus Semi Susanno enhanced chakra barrier from Naruto. That's why Base Momoshiki is 5B.

Momoshiki was portrayed by both Kodachi and Kishi to be physically 5B in all mediums

 

[StrongClick]

Naw more like downgrade seems like wank also it seems like you weren't reading cause Kep disagrees with 7A Momoshiki
Read the thread bruh. That's when one can make logical claims not based on another's faulty reasoning

Re-read my post tbh and see if I wrote 7A momo

 

[AstralKing7]

Bruh imades reasoning is 7A downgrade. Did you even read the thread cause now you don't even know what your agreeing with. Imade wants 7A Momoshiki. You support that; in other words you didn't read the thread nor in between the lines.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Ha! funny but u say that even though we have been over a week so I've been taking over peoples votes and all and even added people to had disagreed. U should had went on during the time that we have been going over this trying to accuse me this when it's obvious that u just don't want a 5B Base Naruto so u just agree to it without even seeing other comment

EDIT: what's also funny is that if the roles were reversed then u would had said "people disagree more so this shouldn't count"

It was a joke, henche the :v, I just can't belive you took it as a serious post.

>U just dont want Nardo as 5-B

It would be better for me if he was 5-B, it would stop with that "Muh Nardo Stomps Sasuke without blinking" as I like Sasuke more that that shitty character Nardo but the rebuttals IMade are more coherent, have more ground and are better overall.

Like I said before, PIS/ low end feats exist, just because he can tango with other char for some seconds shouldn't be able to scale to him.

Also, from that post I can see how childish is you behavior just because "muh nardo" isn't getting that 5-B on demand.

To end this with your edit: yes, it's funny, thats why I made that joke.

Edit: I made some grammatical errors, fixed them.... I think.

 

[Sins32]

>Base Momoshiki knocked out Chakra cloak Naruto and was overpowering chakra cloak Naruto plus Semi Susanno enhanced chakra barrier from Naruto

>Several chapter later Kyusanoo stomp larva golem from stronger Momo

 

[Qawsedf234]

You do realize Momoshiki does not scale to base Naruto right???

Why wouldn't he? He fought against base Naruto

Base Naruto doesn't even scale to Momoshiki either. Base Momoshiki knocked out Chakra cloak Naruto and was overpowering chakra cloak Naruto plus Semi Susanno enhanced chakra barrier from Naruto.

He did so with an amped attack. Not only would that not apply to his base power, Naruto was only KO'ed by it because he contained the explosion rather than overpower it

 

[StrongClick]

Bruh imades reasoning is 7A downgrade. Did you even read the thread cause now you don't even know what your agreeing with. Imade wants 7A Momoshiki. You support that; in other words you didn't read the thread nor in between the lines.

Lemme simplfy... I disagree with the upgrades to base 5-B. Imade and kep disagree as well. Understand?

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Oh, so we've reached that point? Where, if you disagree with a particular side, you don't understand what's going on in the thread?

The simple point of the matter is this. CRT's are persuasive arguments. We have a debate with two sides, with both sides giving their logic and evidence. If a side fails to convince a person, then they fail to convince.

It's that simple. Going like 'Obviously, you don't understand what's going on.' to that person will not help your case.

 

[Omimi]

we have more low5-B to 5-B feats than 7-A feat so how 7-A is more constant ?

 

[TheFinalOrder]

IMade's argument is extremely faulty. I'll post about it tomorrow, I spent the last hour+ typing something just go have my phone glitch and delete it....extremely irritating...

So, i'll type it again tomorrow. Can we put a pin in this until then?

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

we have more low5-B to 5-B feats than 7-A feat so how 7-A is more constant ?

That's false, I literally listed every single feat of Base Momoshiki, Base Kinshiki and Fused Momoshiki and they only had a total of four 5-B feats between the three of through the whole arc and a large majority of the rest was entirely 7-A:

Base Momoshiki and Base Kinshiki Aren't 5-B
This is pretty cut and dry, Base Momoshiki and Kinshiki literally have a huge majority of feats being below Tier 5. They have almost no 5-B feats.

Base Momoshiki's Feats Are All Pathetically Below 5-B:

• Momoshiki (Off-screen and with the help of Kinshiki) defeats Gyuki, the Eight Tails.What is noteworthy about this Gyuki was stabbed with numerous blades which Gyuki is exceptionally weak to. Plus, Momoshiki didn't defeat Gyuki at base, he was amped from having absorbed Gyuki's own Bijuudama and from having swallowed a few Chakra Pills which further amp himself.
• Immediately after defeating Gyuki and Bee in Kumogakure, Momoshiki heads straight towards Naruto. Notable since Momoshiki left when it was completely dark and reached Konohagakure when the sun was already out and Naruto discovered Boruto was cheating. Momoshiki arrived to the scene several minutes after Boruto's cheating was discovered.
• Base Momoshiki easily kicks away Adult Base Naruto.
• Base Momoshiki easily outspeeds Adult Base Naruto despite not even looking his direction.
• Momoshiki is literally held back by Shikamaru's Shadow Paralysis. Momoshiki had to absorb the Jutsu to get out of it.
• Momoshiki makes Sage of Six Paths Naruto struggle with his Bijuudama. What is noteworthy is Momoshiki had literally absorbed several Jutsu and taken several pills to amp his power before making the Bijuudama. Yet, it was still weaker than Sage of Six Paths Naruto's Bijuudama. So a massively amped Momoshiki's AP < Sage of Six Paths Naruto's AP. A Base Momoshiki can not replicate this feat, he needs to be amped.
• Momoshiki has to dodge an attack from Darui (who is 7-C at the moment).
• A flying Momoshiki is literally slower than Darui running on sand since Darui catches up to Momoshiki despite having started from further back.
• Momoshiki had to defend himself from a strike from Darui and Momoshiki was still running away from Darui.

So a completely Base Momoshiki has no actual solid 5-B feats. The only one for contention is kicking Adult Base Naruto; however, Adult Base Naruto being 5-B is what we are currently discussing, it can't be used as evidence for Momoshiki since Momoshiki is supposed to be evidence for Adult Base Naruto, otherwise that's even more circular scaling. So there is no feat for Base Momoshiki being 5-B and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence for Base Momoshiki being Tier 7-A to possibly 6-C.

Base Kinshiki's Feats Are Almost All Pathetically Below 5-B

• Kinshiki crosses blades with Adult Base Sasuke who is using Kusanagi and a Raiton Ninjutsu (probably Chidori)
• Kinshiki sends Adult Base Sasuke flying back after a direct hit.
• Kinshiki (Off-screen and with the help of Momoshiki) defeats Gyuki, the Eight Tails.What is noteworthy about this Gyuki was stabbed with numerous blades which Gyuki is exceptionally weak to.
• Immediately after defeating Gyuki and Bee in Kumogakure, Kinshiki heads straight towards Naruto. Notable since Kinshiki left when it was completely dark and reached Konohagakure when the sun was already out and Naruto discovered Boruto was cheating. Kinshiki arrived to the scene several minutes after Boruto's cheating was discovered.
• Kinshiki is literally held back by Shikamaru's Shadow Paralysis. Noteworthy since Kinshiki was literally in the midst of attacking Sasuke when Shikamaru incapacitates Kinshiki in the middle of swinging. So Kinshiki's strength is below Shikamaru's Shadow's strength.
• Kinshiki has to dodge an attack from Chojuro.
• Kinshiki literally had to dodge another attack from Chojuro.
• Chojuro could literally react and dodge an attempted blitz from Kinshiki. Then Chojuro even crossed blades with Kinshiki and took a hit from him.
• Kurotsuchi then sends Kinishiki flying and into roots of the God Tree with a punch.Kurotsuchi's striking strength > Kinshiki's Durability
• Kinishiki is pierced by a Jutsu from Chojuro. Chojuro's Ninjutus AP > Kinshiki's Durability.
• Kinishiki is then incapacitated physically by Kurotsuchi's Jutsu with Kinishiki physically strained and in pain. Kurotsuchi's Ninjutsu > Kinshiki's AP
• Kinshiki takes a Chidori from Adult Base Sasuke.

Base Kinshiki has an overwhelming amount of feats that are Tier 7-A, a severe amount as well. He has only one 5-B feat for AP and Durability while the rest are literally entirely 7-A feats. By definition, the singular 5-B feat would be an outlier, Kinshiki is consistently below that. Note: Kinshiki had a planet splitting statement from a Guidebook, but there are a couple issues with that:

• The Guidebook is about the Boruto Movie which is not canon. It's a non-canon guidebook.

• The statement wasn't a data statement, it was a hype statement. Hype statements are the same thing that said Temari has universal destructive power, they aren't actually data.

On top of this, I know about the Kaguya statement, but that statement isn't translatable to their rating for multiple reasons:

• We don't use statements if they are not consistent or are contradicted. This statement is not consistent since it was said once and never again. This statement is completely contradicted due to the overwhelming amount of 7-A feats.

• Being a threat is not translatable to AP or Durability. I can be a greater threat than Conor McGregor if I knew how to make bombs, but he's stronger, faster and more durable than me. Momoshiki and Kinshiki were greater threat than Kaguya due to Chakra Pill being massive amps and things they were collecting and had stocks of.

Also, I have to once again repeat myself about the 7-A claims:

However, I've only been saying 7-A because that is the current highest rated Kage, Gaara at 7-A since Naruto's Base is still currently tiered as Unknown. Darui's last key was 7-C while Chojuro and Kurotsuchi have no profiles. If we somehow prove Gaara to be above 7-A or do decide that Base Naruto is above 7-A and perhaps like I don't know 6-C, then we could put Base Kinshiki, Base Momoshiki, Kage Gaara, Kage Darui, Kage Chojuro and Kage Kurotsuchi at 6-C as well since they are consistent in fighting each other.

If you are lost in the discussion, just reread the thread to catch up, I've had to repeat myself many times due to users just jumping to the front and not reading the rest of the discussion for context.

 

[Damage3245]

For what it is worth, you can put me in the 'Disagree' group too. IMade's arguments have convinced me.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

"The Last" Naruto has a 6-B feat, but it needs to be evaluated first.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Also didn't someone say that Momo has a casual surface wipe feat?

 

[BlackeJan]

@IMade

Why did u change the vote? Funny cause it doesn't matter even if they didn't commented on this thread. Stop changing the votes just so u can make sure the changes didn't happen

 

[BlackeJan]

Agreed: Me, Astral, Nedge1000, M3x, Shadow, Mindovin, KLOL, Omimi, BFF, Sasukesolo, I am Myself, Amexim, Wrath of Itachi, Dzhindzholia, Ricsi-viragosi, AnimeKong500, TenshiG (17)

Neutral: AppleLord, Pachi2, LordGriffin, Rin the Dragon, Magi Hussie (5)

Disagreed: Kep, IMade, The Causality, Qawsedf, Zzsax, FictionExpert, (6)

Confusing Answer: Jobbo, Sigurd Snake, Hst, Wokistan, TheC2

EDIT: I don't knwo if @Causality was being serious or not since he put a trolled Madara

This is the REAL conclusion vote! the mere fact that u tried to take away votes just so that the disagreement would be applied is appalling. It wouldn't matter if the people didn't comment on last thread to this one, u do know people have lives and all right? but thank you I'll update on those that disagreed and all..

Do not tamper with the votes again

 

[Qawsedf234]

Coming to the thread and saying "My opinion has not changed" would barely take a few minutes though. Plus I wouldn't call it tampering as much as making an adjustment. Tampering would require something more malicious.