Really! even after boruto spelled it out that jura is no one?
I'll be right. (trust me bro)
Gaara is a nobody. (Kazekage in 2024 is meaningless)
Shut yo damn mouth, there's a reason they didn't catch him.
Kind of funny though. Dude acts like Isshiki.
#theytriedtosilenceme
"I stand as a one-man army...."
The mob tried to cancel me after I nearly blew up the sand village.
This is amazing.
Writing truly is a thing I do
Actually, we should have writing challenges on here, I had ideas for stuff like group fanfics and such.
The stuff he said from 1:23 to 1:47
No idea how that works but sounds interesting.
Which part? I can answer any of it.
How does group fanfic work and what is a Shinobi War RP?
Well, we'd have one main writer and like, a council deciding how events would work out.
An RP thread where each person gets a character with randomized clans and chakra levels and stuff and then strategically beat the shit out of each other's villages. I have a level-based system for RPGs. I could also run the regular story with people replacing existing characters.
So RP means Role Playing? Like in RPGs?
sounds cool
It doesn't hinge on that at all. My argument is just that you can't conclude Obito~>Minato off this interaction because it was favorable for Minato to attack slower than Obito either way. Just like I don't think you can conclude Shunshin Minato>>Obito from him catching Naruto (though you can simply argue that via Shunshin being a blitz tier amp above your combat speed in general). Obito being fairly relative to Minato in speed via their earlier interactions where they dashed at each other and Obito caught Minato in chains is fine, just not their final one which has extenuating circumstances.
But...it does. You just saying that doesn't counter the argument I presented. I have to ask you this: Do you think Minato's plan was to use FTG level 2? And a follow up to that: what do you think his goal was in this interaction, given that he wasn't trying to simply hit him head on?
I can't exactly respond to this given that it's simply a re-statement of your opinion and not a counterargument, especially since I've already elaborated at length on how it is supported in the context of the overall fight. I could literally quote my past messages as a response to this.
You keep mentioning semantics, so I need to clarify; when you say semantics, do you mean this definition?
There are a few things I could bring up that implicate Minato>Obito (whether it correlates to basic combat and movement speed is up for debate), but I'd rather not get into them cause that's not really the point. My main goal isn't to prove Minato is faster than Obito, I'm arguing against your claim that Obito is faster than Minato.
Sure, that's why it's an equal interpretation at worst (at worst since Minato intended to make it a mutual strike, so there are more possibilities in favor of Minato~/>Obito than Obito~>Minato, statistically speaking). If Obito was slightly faster, the situation would play out like it did. If Minato was equal or faster, in all the ranges of speed from slightly faster to significantly faster than Obito, the situation would play out like it did as well.
Not really? Obito attempts to grab him and doesn't grunt in pain until the panel after
There's no consistency to Obito being faster than Minato, just vaguely relative.
You don't have to agree, but if you're gonna engage in an argument, it's kind of important to address my points rather than making pretty unrelated statements and repetitionsI’ll just have to disagree with any argument that says Minato held back his speed outside of shunshin. There is no support for that stance in the manga unless it’s a semantical argument and even then, it doesn’t change the fact that with equal speed, the same shit would’ve still happened because the FTG Level 2 Minato does relies on his reaction speed, not combat.
Well, we have RP threads on here, but they have a distinct lack of me rolling dice behind the scenes.
Except there is nothing supporting Minato attacking slower being more favorable to him outside of a semantical argument that doesn’t disprove the initial premise of my argument… Best case scenario for your argument is, as you say below, it’s an equal interpretation (Except it’s not because there are actual feats saying otherwise).
I disagree. Again, that view is absent supporting evidence to say otherwise. Ot can actually be argued Obito already knew Minato would be able to do that so prepped in advance for that, which discounts the idea he held back his speed. This would be supported by his response in addition to the act of prepping the bombs anyways.
Brother… These instances together are what SUPPORTS my stance. Why would you think I would be arguing a single instance? My argument builds on the entire interaction from beginning to end. You just contradicted yourself by acknowledging this… Ntm If you look back at my arguments, I have said or implied several times I am taking into account everything that happened.
The argument you presented isn’t supported by the manga outside of a Semantical debate that doesn’t disprove what I said. So I can actually say the same to you…
Yes.
The goal was obviously to land a strike on him (Which he was unable to do prior to this). The means of Minato achieving this was FTG Level 2, initiating a Mutual Strike.
I’ve disagreed and the context of the fight leans itself to my argument.
Likewise.
Semantics w/o support isn’t ever a valid counterargument to ones building upon actual evidence and context.
It would be helpful if it supports your stance.
My claim is, and has always been Obito is equal to, if not the tiniest bit faster in movement/combat (Sans Shunshin) and it’s based on and supported by feats. Currently, your interpretation has no support.
Disagree and I lean on my above responses to this argument.
You are correct, but the actual argument is centered around what we see and what we know. And both of those things supports my interpretation. If you have evidence to support your interpretation, post it. You haven’t actually disproven the things I’ve said. Your argument simply shifts it towards an equal interpretation, but without evidence supporting, it cannot actually be equal.
Brother, we see the scans… Pages 13-15
I think you need to reread my arguments. You are making it sound as If I said Obito is just blatantly faster to a significant degree. Like bruh… It is clear, that they are mainly relative (Not Vaguely) with Obito being faster on an order of MILLIMETERS TO CENTIMETERS!!
Name one area of your argument that I have not addressed in some form or fashion? I’ll wait, because I’m confident I have.
Anime or Manga?
Manga
Giant or Massive Rasengan’s are considered their own versions in this question.
Game Naruto is just that guy.
Don't both only base the calc on Raikage having lightning speed during lariat? I don't think the game one has any statements beyond that.
Well, who else in the Alliance was a threat to him?Lmao! Kabuto was glazing tf out of Naruto to Madara in 561!
I don't know if the calc is wrong or the feat is different from that of the manga.
