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This is amazing.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
HelloThere1089
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Ngl, SlendVeny vs Samlex writing challenge would go hard.
HelloThere1089
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Btw this has to be some sort of foreshadowing right?
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Writing truly is a thing I do
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foreshadowing for what?
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Boruto episode 292 foreshadowed that there'd be an episode 293
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Actually, we should have writing challenges on here, I had ideas for stuff like group fanfics and such.
(And, of course, my sick Shinobi War RP idea)
HelloThere1089
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The stuff he said from 1:23 to 1:47
HelloThere1089
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No idea how that works but sounds interesting.
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Which part? I can answer any of it.
HelloThere1089
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How does group fanfic work and what is a Shinobi War RP?
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Well, we'd have one main writer and like, a council deciding how events would work out.
An RP thread where each person gets a character with randomized clans and chakra levels and stuff and then strategically beat the shit out of each other's villages. I have a level-based system for RPGs. I could also run the regular story with people replacing existing characters.
HelloThere1089
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So RP means Role Playing? Like in RPGs?
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sounds cool
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It doesn't hinge on that at all. My argument is just that you can't conclude Obito~>Minato off this interaction because it was favorable for Minato to attack slower than Obito either way. Just like I don't think you can conclude Shunshin Minato>>Obito from him catching Naruto (though you can simply argue that via Shunshin being a blitz tier amp above your combat speed in general). Obito being fairly relative to Minato in speed via their earlier interactions where they dashed at each other and Obito caught Minato in chains is fine, just not their final one which has extenuating circumstances.
But...it does. You just saying that doesn't counter the argument I presented. I have to ask you this: Do you think Minato's plan was to use FTG level 2? And a follow up to that: what do you think his goal was in this interaction, given that he wasn't trying to simply hit him head on?
I can't exactly respond to this given that it's simply a re-statement of your opinion and not a counterargument, especially since I've already elaborated at length on how it is supported in the context of the overall fight. I could literally quote my past messages as a response to this.
You keep mentioning semantics, so I need to clarify; when you say semantics, do you mean this definition?
"the meaning of a word, phrase, sentence, or text."
Because...yes, I am. Literally any argument based on statements involve semantics. Every statement is interpreted so it can be used. Even direct statements, like Hashirama and Madara being equals in strength. Does that mean Hashirama and Madara are equal in every stat? Overall combat ability? Just AP? Hashirama in Base or Sage Mode? Madara with or without the Nine Tails? A semantics argument isn't an invalid one; in fact semantics are necessary.
There are a few things I could bring up that implicate Minato>Obito (whether it correlates to basic combat and movement speed is up for debate), but I'd rather not get into them cause that's not really the point. My main goal isn't to prove Minato is faster than Obito, I'm arguing against your claim that Obito is faster than Minato.
Sure, that's why it's an equal interpretation at worst (at worst since Minato intended to make it a mutual strike, so there are more possibilities in favor of Minato~/>Obito than Obito~>Minato, statistically speaking). If Obito was slightly faster, the situation would play out like it did. If Minato was equal or faster, in all the ranges of speed from slightly faster to significantly faster than Obito, the situation would play out like it did as well.
Not really? Obito attempts to grab him and doesn't grunt in pain until the panel after
There's no consistency to Obito being faster than Minato, just vaguely relative.
You don't have to agree, but if you're gonna engage in an argument, it's kind of important to address my points rather than making pretty unrelated statements and repetitionsI’ll just have to disagree with any argument that says Minato held back his speed outside of shunshin. There is no support for that stance in the manga unless it’s a semantical argument and even then, it doesn’t change the fact that with equal speed, the same shit would’ve still happened because the FTG Level 2 Minato does relies on his reaction speed, not combat.
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Well, we have RP threads on here, but they have a distinct lack of me rolling dice behind the scenes.
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Except there is nothing supporting Minato attacking slower being more favorable to him outside of a semantical argument that doesn’t disprove the initial premise of my argument… Best case scenario for your argument is, as you say below, it’s an equal interpretation (Except it’s not because there are actual feats saying otherwise).
I disagree. Again, that view is absent supporting evidence to say otherwise. Ot can actually be argued Obito already knew Minato would be able to do that so prepped in advance for that, which discounts the idea he held back his speed. This would be supported by his response in addition to the act of prepping the bombs anyways.
Brother… These instances together are what SUPPORTS my stance. Why would you think I would be arguing a single instance? My argument builds on the entire interaction from beginning to end. You just contradicted yourself by acknowledging this… Ntm If you look back at my arguments, I have said or implied several times I am taking into account everything that happened.
The argument you presented isn’t supported by the manga outside of a Semantical debate that doesn’t disprove what I said. So I can actually say the same to you…
Yes.
The goal was obviously to land a strike on him (Which he was unable to do prior to this). The means of Minato achieving this was FTG Level 2, initiating a Mutual Strike.
The problem here is you are taking the fact Minato intended to strike in that moment as him holding back to set up that instance, which is not supported. FTG level 2 doesn’t require Minato to hold back his speed. It requires his reaction speed in relation to Obito’s combat speed.
I’ve disagreed and the context of the fight leans itself to my argument.
Likewise.
Semantics w/o support isn’t ever a valid counterargument to ones building upon actual evidence and context.
Obito showcased he is fast enough to react and catch Minato’s Hand when striking, even before Minato know’s his ability. Obito is shown reacting and cornering Minato, forcing him to use FTG, even after Minato witnessed his ability before (Which you yourself acknowledge supports an argument of equivalence to some degree). Minato doesn’t think of the mutual strike tactic until AFTER the first 2 exchanges, but now we’re supposed to “magically” believe that Obito showcasing equivalence / slightly superior movement & combat speed outside of Shunshin is due to Minato holding back???
Yeah, no… That doesn’t work in context to everything that came before. Show me evidence leaning towards the contrary to support your semantics based argument and you would have a valid point.
It would be helpful if it supports your stance.
My claim is, and has always been Obito is equal to, if not the tiniest bit faster in movement/combat (Sans Shunshin) and it’s based on and supported by feats. Currently, your interpretation has no support.
Disagree and I lean on my above responses to this argument.
You are correct, but the actual argument is centered around what we see and what we know. And both of those things supports my interpretation. If you have evidence to support your interpretation, post it. You haven’t actually disproven the things I’ve said. Your argument simply shifts it towards an equal interpretation, but without evidence supporting, it cannot actually be equal.
Brother, we see the scans… Pages 13-15
I think you need to reread my arguments. You are making it sound as If I said Obito is just blatantly faster to a significant degree. Like bruh… It is clear, that they are mainly relative (Not Vaguely) with Obito being faster on an order of MILLIMETERS TO CENTIMETERS!!
Like dude, it’s equivalent to winning the 100M Dash in the Olympics but the judges need to see the Cam Footage to determine who wins because it’s a photo-finish.
Name one area of your argument that I have not addressed in some form or fashion? I’ll wait, because I’m confident I have.
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Got a crazy question for everyone…
“Which VERSION of Rasengan has Naruto used the most in his life? (manga)”
Try not to search if you can help it.
Note: “Chou” Rasengans count as their own version.
“Which VERSION of Rasengan has Naruto used the most in his life? (manga)”
Try not to search if you can help it.
Note: “Chou” Rasengans count as their own version.
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Anime or Manga?
Regular Rasengan for anime, Massive Rasengan (vs Kyuubi) for Manga.
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Giant or Massive rasengan
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Remind me again why Storm Game KCM Naruto blitzing Raikage is 6x FTL, while the canon one isn't? What exactly is the difference between the two?
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Giant or Massive Rasengan’s are considered their own versions in this question.
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Game Naruto is just that guy.
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Naruto is cold blooded asf… Crazy to think how many Ninja would’ve been collateral deaths if Ohnoki didn’t raise a platform and this attack was allowed to hit the ground.
War Arc Naruto don’t give af 
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Probably cuz the game calc presupposes initial speeds as statements and the real one might need to rely on kakashi's lightning dodge calc but idk for sure
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Don't both only base the calc on Raikage having lightning speed during lariat? I don't think the game one has any statements beyond that.
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Lmao! Kabuto was glazing tf out of Naruto to Madara in 561! 
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Well, who else in the Alliance was a threat to him?Lmao! Kabuto was glazing tf out of Naruto to Madara in 561!
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I don't know if the calc is wrong or the feat is different from that of the manga.
Because I've seen calcs for the manga version and it's usually between sub-rel and Relativistic at best. Not 4,000x faster than lightning
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Ngl, I might start one of these this week if people want to participate.
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I just realised that it's harder for Shikamaru to combat Omnipotence than Sasuke or Amado. Sasuke was helping Boruto cuz he trusted Sarada. So even if nobody told him anything about Omnipotence, he'd still have no issue helping Boruto. Amado has his inventions as proof for his belief. But Shikamaru's source of belief in Boruto is Boruto's explanation about Omnipotence. Something that Omnipotence will actively try to erase. So Shikamaru is basically trusting a traitor for no reason other than the fact that if he establishes that trust as a premise, everything else fits perfectly. That's a lot harder to do imo.
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It definitely is, but that's what we expect from da GOAT.
HelloThere1089
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Yup. He has displayed a form of abstract thinking which should be in his intelligence page.
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what are some naruto/boruto hot takes you guys have thats not related to powerscaling?
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The filler adds to the experience and is an overall +
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1. Hiruzen was not that bad to naruto's upbringing all things considered
2. Itachi was a monster (killing his entire clan)
3. Uchiha clan actively contributed to the clan's downfall (it wasn’t all tobirama/danzo/hiruzen)
4. Tsunade was not a bad hokage (trust me. It's a hot take)
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the amount of people that dont understand that Itachi as a character is meant to be wrong is wild to me.
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Here are mine
1. Part 1 Naruto is my fav part but the idea that shippuden stopped using strategy or became dbz is beyond stupid when the war arc alone has fights that are way more complicated than anything in part 1
2.Kushina isnt a badly written female character just because she was a mother
3. Shippuden didnt ruin the supporting cast of the series, people need to understand that the Konoha 11 are not the strawhats nor the main supporting cast, shippuden just like part 1 gives a lot of screentime and love to its supporting cast the only difference is who it focuses on, part 1 focused heavily on the Konoha 11 because part 1's story was tied around becoming a ninja what that entails and what it means to you individually. shippuden's scope and focus shifted and te supporting characters changed to accomdate this.
4. Five Kage Summit arc is one of the best arcs and utlizies every character from team 7 well, including Sakura and her controversal shitty confession
1. Part 1 Naruto is my fav part but the idea that shippuden stopped using strategy or became dbz is beyond stupid when the war arc alone has fights that are way more complicated than anything in part 1
2.Kushina isnt a badly written female character just because she was a mother
3. Shippuden didnt ruin the supporting cast of the series, people need to understand that the Konoha 11 are not the strawhats nor the main supporting cast, shippuden just like part 1 gives a lot of screentime and love to its supporting cast the only difference is who it focuses on, part 1 focused heavily on the Konoha 11 because part 1's story was tied around becoming a ninja what that entails and what it means to you individually. shippuden's scope and focus shifted and te supporting characters changed to accomdate this.
4. Five Kage Summit arc is one of the best arcs and utlizies every character from team 7 well, including Sakura and her controversal shitty confession
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Boruto was necessary
Shikamaru is the perfect hokage at this time
