Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[NeoKingOfLight]

Naruto is probably treating his mom like she treated Minato. Unless you think having both halves of Kurama is like an exponential amp and that Kushina can access and control Kurama's chakra with the same level of potency as Naruto could. But honestly I doubt Kushina has anywhere near the finesse with Kurama chakra that Naruto has, so Naruto should slam, even if you think Kushina has like a 32x amp via Kurama size changes. Like the gap between mastered BM Naruto and pre mastered BM Naruto is like mildly stronger than Bijuu tier to like incomplete Juubi tier and surpassing the sum of the other 7 Bijuu combined. Which is like an "immeasurable" gap in sheer chakra by Kurama's admission. So it's like slightly weaker than full power Kurama without good control vs like "immeasurably" beyond Bijuu level.

Ok, control aside, where would you stack V2 7 Tails of 100% Kurama Chakra vs 50% of Kurama’s Chakra?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

War Arc Naruto doesn’t have all of Kurama’s Chakra and as we have seen, the Avatar doesn’t “necessarily” put one above a V2 Form (Ala, B vs V2 Jins).

That was only for initial KCM2 Naruto, not Mastered KCM2 Naruto.

Curious though, with Kushina having 100% Kurama, what point do you think she passes 50% of his Power before transforming into the full 9 tails?

At best she'd only be twice as strong as Naruto but with significantly less control and versatility if she went up to full the Nine Tails.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Ok, control aside, where would you stack V2 7 Tails of 100% Kurama Chakra vs 50% of Kurama’s Chakra?

Anywhere from almost double to almost ~32x as much. Depends on if you think splitting Kurama in half halves the chakra or if you use the size scaling argument to say it decreases it 32x via pixel scaling the volume. Ignoring anything about control etc.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

On Boruto's profile, for some reason his Post Omnipotence base has an image of him using Karma (Right Arm). And for V2 Karma, it's just a picture of his V1 (Same Markings, no Byakugan) but with his chest exposed. I'd recommend changing the post-omnipotence base to this image and V2 Karma to one of these images for accuracy's sake. If someone could take care of this, I'd appreciate it.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

So if we’re talking Chakra for Chakra (Band 4 Band), V2 7 Tails @ 100% > 50%. Sans any Ninja’s CC over that Chakra.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

So if we’re talking Chakra for Chakra (Band 4 Band), V2 7 Tails @ 100% > 50%. Sans any Ninja’s CC over that Chakra.

Probably, yes.

 

[Nierre]

I'm gonna report that guy for vandalizing it, I already reverted it to how it was originally, though if u have any other suggestions lmk.
His profile should be locked though.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

So if we’re talking Chakra for Chakra (Band 4 Band), V2 7 Tails @ 100% > 50%. Sans any Ninja’s CC over that Chakra.

where are you going with this

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

where are you going with this

Minato wank, obviously.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

I'm gonna report that guy for vandalizing it, I already reverted it to how it was originally, though if u have any other suggestions lmk.
His profile should be locked though.

Aside from what I mentioned, nothing else.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Minato wank, obviously.

I ain’t say nothing…

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Minato doesn’t even scale to that Kushina she punched a hole in him

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Minato doesn’t even scale to that Kushina she punched a hole in him

Physically yes, you are correct. Minato was pinata.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Minato doesn’t even scale to that Kushina she punched a hole in him

To be fair, that was also Minato far before he even hit his peak.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

To be fair, that was also Minato far before he even hit his peak.

Peak Minato would also get skewered. And, well, he did.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Is V2 7 Tails Kushina > BM Naruto?

I doubt it since tails seem to amp you exponentially (6 Tails Naruto is definitely more than 1.5x above 4 Tails Naruto). V2 9 Tails Kushina is quite arguable though. Either way Minato doesn't scale above KCM2 Naruto if that's where you're going with this. With highball you could say Hokage Minato rivals Base KCM2 Naruto if you think Kakashi is mistaking Naruto for Minato based on both his AP and speed.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

To be fair, that was also Minato far before he even hit his peak.

My mind stopped here and trailed off before finishing that sentence…

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Peak Minato would also get skewered. And, well, he did.

Hokage Minato's slapping up 7 Tails Kushina

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Hokage Minato's slapping up 7 Tails Kushina

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Fax

Ftfy

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

I doubt it since tails seem to amp you exponentially (6 Tails Naruto is definitely more than 1.5x above 4 Tails Naruto). V2 9 Tails Kushina is quite arguable though. Either way Minato doesn't scale above KCM2 Naruto if that's where you're going with this. With highball you could say Hokage Minato rivals Base KCM2 Naruto if you think Kakashi is mistaking Naruto for Minato based on both his AP and speed.

Where I was going, and what I believe, is that the strength of Minato’s CHAKRA (At that time) > V2 7 Tails of 100% Kurama’s Chakra as he was able Clash with and Suppress that Chakra.

The Same as I agree with 3TM Sasuke’s Chakra > Kn0 Chakra, as his Chakra was able to overpower and suppress it.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Where I was going, and what I believe, is that the strength of Minato’s CHAKRA (At that time) > V2 7 Tails of 100% Kurama’s Chakra as he was able Clash with and Suppress that Chakra.

Sure with a Rasengan he's above V2 Kurama's Incomplete Bijuudama

The Same as I agree with 3TM Sasuke’s Chakra > Kn0 Chakra, as his Chakra was able to overpower and suppress it.

Are you referring to the Tenchi Bridge Arc fight?

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Sure with a Rasengan he's above V2 Kurama's Incomplete Bijuudama

I’ve never put stock in that being a literally “Rasengan” vs “Incomplete TBB”. Those are just visages of their chakra fighting. It’s actually illustrated perfectly. Kushina in V1 tries to stop Kurama and him grabbing the chain and flinging her showcased his Chakra overpowering hers, which is why he progressed to V2 7 Tails. Irl, Kushina (At that point) isn’t surviving a 100% 9 Tails Slam!

The depiction of what happens in the mental scape isn’t literal. It’s just chakra vs chakra. That said, yeah, I believe in regard to Chakra Strength, Minato’s > V2 7 Tails. His seal reinforced Kushina’s, halting the Transformation at V2 7 Tails and the chakra he projected overpowered and suppressed Kurama’s V2 Tails Chakra.

Are you referring to the Tenchi Bridge Arc fight?

Whichever arc when they first met again. I think that was Tenchi Bridge.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

 

[NemesisZorX]

Was Kaguya's immortality removed from her profile?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Now with the conclusion of Godernet recent CRT. Whose gonna make the moon size upgrade CRT, due it being able to host an atmosphere where humans can breath comfortably in and allow birds to fly.

I don't know if it was ever implemented but I came across one calc based on a scene from the last that measures the moon's diameter to be near half that of earth's

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I’ve never put stock in that being a literally “Rasengan” vs “Incomplete TBB”. Those are just visages of their chakra fighting.

Ion really agree since different jutsu have different effects in the mental plane as seen with Naruto vs Kurama and how Kurama can tank his Massive Rasengan but a Rasenshuriken does decent damage to him. It's also stated in the one shot that Kurama's attack was not fully charged.

It’s actually illustrated perfectly. Kushina in V1 tries to stop Kurama and him grabbing the chain and flinging her showcased his Chakra overpowering hers, which is why he progressed to V2 7 Tails. Irl, Kushina (At that point) isn’t surviving a 100% 9 Tails Slam!

I mean he really just lifted her in the air and let her fall back down, it'd be different if he literally threw her into the ground

The depiction of what happens in the mental scape isn’t literal. It’s just chakra vs chakra. That said, yeah, I believe in regard to Chakra Strength, Minato’s > V2 7 Tails. His seal reinforced Kushina’s, halting the Transformation at V2 7 Tails and the chakra he projected overpowered and suppressed Kurama’s V2 Tails Chakra.

I mean not really since he kept growing more tails, and the strength of Kurama's chakra is what allowed Kushina to pierce through Minato's body cloaked with chakra.

Whichever arc when they first met again. I think that was Tenchi Bridge.

I'd say using that fairly vague scene for scaling is iffy but maybe

 

[HelloThere1089]

@UchihaSlayer96 @MinatoSparkle @HelloThere1089

What’re your thoughts on V2 7 Tails Kushina vs BM Naruto (War Arc)?

Not sure. Prolly Naruto because of better control.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Not sure why ppl are talking about Naruto's chakra control when Kurama is the one in control with V2 and he's very good at chakra control

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Where do you guys think Naruto would scale in this wiki if the manga stopped at its ending, No the last movie, no Boruto, no anime canon moon moving scenes either, just manga, LNs & databooks

 

[Padaruyos]

Where do you guys think Naruto would scale in this wiki if the manga stopped at its ending, No the last movie, no Boruto, no anime canon moon moving scenes either, just manga, LNs & databooks

About the same as current WA Naruto. It's based on Hagoromo's Low 5-B moon launching calc. The calc is just based on the fact that Hagoromo launched the moon into space.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Where do you guys think Naruto would scale in this wiki if the manga stopped at its ending, No the last movie, no Boruto, no anime canon moon moving scenes either, just manga, LNs & databooks

Check the history of Naruto's profile and go back to 2015 and you'll get your answer.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Where do you guys think Naruto would scale in this wiki if the manga stopped at its ending, No the last movie, no Boruto, no anime canon moon moving scenes either, just manga, LNs & databooks

I mean...the majority of the God Tiers scale to a Shippuden Low 5-B calc anyways atm?

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Ion really agree since different jutsu have different effects in the mental plane as seen with Naruto vs Kurama and how Kurama can tank his Massive Rasengan but a Rasenshuriken does decent damage to him. It's also stated in the one shot that Kurama's attack was not fully charged.

I mean he really just lifted her in the air and let her fall back down, it'd be different if he literally threw her into the ground

I mean not really since he kept growing more tails, and the strength of Kurama's chakra is what allowed Kushina to pierce through Minato's body cloaked with chakra.

I'd say using that fairly vague scene for scaling is iffy but maybe

We can disagree on the particulars (And I do have to refresh my memory on the order of events in the OS), but you still didn’t address the fact the nine-tails at the time of Minato projecting his Chakra into Kushina was only as strong as V2 7 Tails, and regardless if you want to take the showings as literal or not the fact remains Minato still has to overpower and suppress V2 7 Tails Kurama’s Chakra, whether it’s using an attack or not.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Where do you guys think Naruto would scale in this wiki if the manga stopped at its ending, No the last movie, no Boruto, no anime canon moon moving scenes either, just manga, LNs & databooks

6-B to Low 5-B depending on what year your talking about and with what staff, supporters or calcs available at the time.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

6-B to Low 5-B depending on what year your talking about and with what staff, supporters or calcs available at the time.

Pretty sure we also had some short-lived spats where the verse was 5-B due to versions of the SPCT calc being that high.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

We can disagree on the particulars (And I do have to refresh my memory on the order of events in the OS), but you still didn’t address the fact the nine-tails at the time of Minato projecting his Chakra into Kushina was only as strong as V2 7 Tails

V2 9 Tails, and anyways I don't think keeping someone's power suppressed with sealing jutsu is indicative of overall strength, unless we wanna say Base Minato scales to FP Kurama? Sealing jutsu, while it does require strong enough chakra, isn't the same as offensive power.

and regardless if you want to take the showings as literal or not the fact remains Minato still has to overpower and suppress V2 7 Tails Kurama’s Chakra, whether it’s using an attack or not.

But he's using his fully charged jutsu while Kurama's is only partially formed, meaning it's not really representative of their full powers clashing

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Seeing the Sparkle character development compared to last year has me all like...

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

About the same as current WA Naruto. It's based on Hagoromo's Low 5-B moon launching calc. The calc is just based on the fact that Hagoromo launched the moon into space.

Ngl I kinda overlooked the current Hagoromo calc since it was downgraded and didn't realise it wasn't making use of anime timeframes

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

V2 9 Tails,

Yes, and I’ve “clearly” noted via ChAkRa strength, not physicals…

Why would you post this as an argument against something i’m not arguing for?

(Edit: Oh shit, I misread that )

and anyways I don't think keeping someone's power suppressed with sealing jutsu is indicative of overall strength, unless we wanna say Base Minato scales to FP Kurama?

Again, the Seal prevented the further transformation. Has nothing to do with the V2 7 Tails Chakra that ALREADY leaked out.

Sealing jutsu, while it does require strong enough chakra, isn't the same as offensive power.

The Sealing Jutsu isn't relevant here as it only prevented/stalled further transformation and had no affect on the Chakra that already leaked out.

But he's using his fully charged jutsu while Kurama's is only partially formed, meaning it's not really representative of their full powers clashing

Not true as the Sealing Jutsu doesn’t have any bearing on the fact that “that” Kurama is only as strong the V2 7 Tails Chakra that leaked out. The Sealing Jutsu is restricting Kurama from fully accessing more than what already leaked out.

This is not the same as Minato reinforcing the seal the prevent Kurama from coming out while Kushina was giving birth. In THAT scenario, you’d be correct as there is no nine tails chakra that already leaked.