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Depends on how e scale Edo Itachi. If his physical condition is the same as when alive, then Itachi.

Itachi ~ KCM > SM Nard > SM Jiraiya
I mean the point of the question is to separate him from Edo Itachi since he obviously slaps 😭
It is alright. However, I have a bit of a cold, and also getting the minatosparkle treatment on my CRT which is not helping.
How about you?
MinatoSparkle treatment is wild (if accurate)
 
Also, side note but is Minato alone strong enough to “force” Madara to use Susanoo forms higher than Ribs? I’m curious if Minato would considered superior to Madara, prior to him getting MS in Warring States.
 
I mean Itachi isn't sick anymore since he doesn't have a body system for illnesses to attack
True, but the sickness only is confirmed to have attacked his stamina. Meaning unlike when Alive, he wouldn't have Stamina Issues. BUT, now that I am thinking about it… considering Taijutsu relies on Stamina and Ninjutsu uses up Stamina as well, it’s likely to have impacted his Taijutsu/Ninjutsu.

So even if the “physical condition” is the same, because the illness is not a factor anymore, he doesn’t have those Stamina Nerfs. I initially just considered it as “Being able to go 12 rounds or not”, but that was obviously wrong.

Can Sick Itachi beat SM Jiraiya? I would say no. Does he have the “power” to? Yes. But I don’t think he’s tagging with Totsuka Blade 1 on 1 with Ma & Pa.
 
If Jiraiya uses Frog Song then Itachi is screwed. The databook outright calls it the most powerful genjutsu before IT is introduced.
 
Madara be clapping that fraud,
man was going high diff with Madara's 14 year old subordinate
Tbf, Obito was trained by Madara and Enhanced with Hashi DNA for years by that point with fully matured Sharingan/MS amps. And the only “difficulty” Obito gave him was with Kamui (And I don’t see Madara or Hashirama dealing with it any “easier” tbh). Obito was otherwise low diffed. 😬
 
Also, side note but is Minato alone strong enough to “force” Madara to use Susanoo forms higher than Ribs? I’m curious if Minato would considered superior to Madara, prior to him getting MS in Warring States.
EMS Madara? No. MS Madara? Yes. He probably beats that version of Madara if anything. He has no real scaling, and the best you could say is that Tobirama says Sasuke has the same potential as Madara, so MS Madara is probably relative to or above Peak MS Sasuke, who Minato would also slap.
Minato vs Madara with no Amps is definitely a Minato W.
Wdym by amps?
True, but the sickness only is confirmed to have attacked his stamina. Meaning unlike when Alive, he wouldn't have Stamina Issues. BUT, now that I am thinking about it… considering Taijutsu relies on Stamina and Ninjutsu uses up Stamina as well, it’s likely to have impacted his Taijutsu/Ninjutsu.

So even if the “physical condition” is the same, because the illness is not a factor anymore, he doesn’t have those Stamina Nerfs. I initially just considered it as “Being able to go 12 rounds or not”, but that was obviously wrong.
Ye
Can Sick Itachi beat SM Jiraiya? I would say no. Does he have the “power” to? Yes. But I don’t think he’s tagging with Totsuka Blade 1 on 1 with Ma & Pa.
I don't think it's really a debate when you consider MS abilities. The Susanoo quite literally blitzed the strongest version of Orochimaru like it was nothing.
 
Why would she be? She's using less of Kurama's Chakra than Naruto is, even if her Kurama himself is double Naruto's.
Are you sure about that? Naruto is capped at 50% Kurama’s power. V2’s are described as the Biju’s full power trapped in Human Form. Why would V2 7 Tails Kushina be capped at less than 50% Kurama? Especially when his power was unrestrained by Kushina in that instance.
 
@UchihaSlayer96 @MinatoSparkle @HelloThere1089

What’re your thoughts on V2 7 Tails Kushina vs BM Naruto (War Arc)?
@Arc7Kuroi pull out the Tails equation and let us know 👀

As for what I think tho, I'd probably pick Naruto purely because he's got a much better bag than a rampaging V2 Jinchuriki, but in terms of stats I think they're probably pretty close. Kushina might have a stat advantage, but I'm not too sure. I need to think about it some more.
 
kinda depends which BM Naruto, the original one that pulled up with Bee, or the one after Naruto more or less mastered Kurama sauce.
 
Are you sure about that? Naruto is capped at 50% Kurama’s power. V2’s are described as the Biju’s full power trapped in Human Form. Why would V2 7 Tails Kushina be capped at less than 50% Kurama? Especially when his power was unrestrained by Kushina in that instance.
Because he's using all nine tails plus the full avatar.
 
Naruto is probably treating his mom like she treated Minato. Unless you think having both halves of Kurama is like an exponential amp and that Kushina can access and control Kurama's chakra with the same level of potency as Naruto could. But honestly I doubt Kushina has anywhere near the finesse with Kurama chakra that Naruto has, so Naruto should slam, even if you think Kushina has like a 32x amp via Kurama size changes. Like the gap between mastered BM Naruto and pre mastered BM Naruto is like mildly stronger than Bijuu tier to like incomplete Juubi tier and surpassing the sum of the other 7 Bijuu combined. Which is like an "immeasurable" gap in sheer chakra by Kurama's admission. So it's like slightly weaker than full power Kurama without good control vs like "immeasurably" beyond Bijuu level.
 
Naruto is probably treating his mom like she treated Minato. Unless you think having both halves of Kurama is like an exponential amp and that Kushina can access and control Kurama's chakra with the same level of potency as Naruto could. But honestly I doubt Kushina has anywhere near the finesse with Kurama chakra that Naruto has, so Naruto should slam, even if you think Kushina has like a 32x amp via Kurama size changes. Like the gap between mastered BM Naruto and pre mastered BM Naruto is like mildly stronger than Bijuu tier to like incomplete Juubi tier and surpassing the sum of the other 7 Bijuu combined. Which is like an "immeasurable" gap in sheer chakra by Kurama's admission. So it's like slightly weaker than full power Kurama without good control vs like "immeasurably" beyond Bijuu level.
We literally have KCM2 Naruto in both 6-C and 6-B depending on which portion of the war we're talking about, it's a massive ******* gap.
 
Because he's using all nine tails plus the full avatar.
War Arc Naruto doesn’t have all of Kurama’s Chakra and as we have seen, the Avatar doesn’t “necessarily” put one above a V2 Form (Ala, B vs V2 Jins).

Curious though, with Kushina having 100% Kurama, what point do you think she passes 50% of his Power before transforming into the full 9 tails?
 
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