Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Samlex1234]

Koji calls the “Different Possible Futures”, Timeline Branches that the main timeline can take. Those “Possibilities” aren’t also just possible “Instances” but they also have their own drown out futures as well.

So yes, it is a “Multiverse” going by MWI. The only DIFFERENCE is, Koji also says those other Branches get Erased once the Main timeline selects a branch, but the only thing that does is create a infinite NEW branches the Main Timely can select from. So it’s a cycle of Infinite Creation/Infinite Erasure.

Show me where it says Timeline branches

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Maybe it's been a while since I brushed up on this but, the standards here state:

This doesn't mention anything about the size of the temporal dimension. In fact a 4D construct is by default uncountably infinite times bigger than an infinite 3D one. And since Momoshiki's dimension is considered a parallel dimension to the Earth's, and Kaguya's dimension which is stated to be similar to Momoshiki's has 4 dimensions. It would be logical to assume that all Otsutsuki dimensions are 4 dimensional constructs that are universal in size (spatially). Again I repeat, this includes non canon information (and is a pretty generous interpretation) so I am not saying this should be accepted, I'm just stating the consistency of my reasoning.

Check this page

Tier Low 2-C

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[HelloThere1089]

Check this page

Tier Low 2-C

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This doesn't refute what I stated. A timespace is basically a spacetime. It has a temporal dimension by definition and should be continuous. A temporal dimension contains past, present, and future of that universe. That's it's job.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This doesn't refute what I stated. A timespace is basically a spacetime.

Space time ≠ timeline

It has a temporal dimension by definition and should be continuous. A temporal dimension contains past, present, and future of that universe. That's it's job.

Not inherentedly. Check the page I linked again. You can make a Q & A thread if you seriously think you are right.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Space time ≠ timeline

Spacetime continuum contains a timeline by definition.

Not inherentedly. Check the page I linked again. You can make a Q & A thread if you seriously think you are right.

It's fine if you don't believe me even though it is pretty clear cut from the wikipedia page. Here is a thread you can read:

Tier 2 characters CRT

Summer times is the only good time to be starting mass projects to revise every profile of X tier and what not; second, Sera Ex still had plans to define the difference between 3-A and Low 2-C feats. And while yes, it is true that destroying an entire timeline is the requirement at what a Low...

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But giving birth to a space-time continuum is clearly Low 2-C.

What exactly do you think a "spacetime continuum" entails, to begin with? That sort of stuff is just self-evident and doesn't need to be explained.

This is a comment by Ultima in reply to a question that is similar to yours. If I'm not wrong this should give you more faith in my argument. For reference the specific comment is:

Tier 2 characters CRT

Summer times is the only good time to be starting mass projects to revise every profile of X tier and what not; second, Sera Ex still had plans to define the difference between 3-A and Low 2-C feats. And while yes, it is true that destroying an entire timeline is the requirement at what a Low...

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Read the entire conversation and it should clear up what I am saying.

Kaguya created a timespace = spacetime = spacetime continuum. Which means it has a temporal dimension. The replies should prove to you why that inherrently means that a timeline exists. The only requirement here for Low 2C would be to prove the spatial dimension to be infinite. Hope that clears stuff up.

Edit: Btw if you want an explanation from me too then here it is: The existence of a temporal axis means that it will have past, present, and future. That's how a line works regardless of it's length. The temporal axis isn't a point, it's a line that stretches out an unknown amount. The default assumption of a spacetime is that it is continuous.

 

[KingogKings777]

Didn't Kaguya only create the space not the time?

 

[HelloThere1089]

Didn't Kaguya only create the space not the time?

I was under the assumption that it was a timespace. Although I could be wrong.

 

[KingogKings777]

I was under the assumption that it was a timespace. Although I could be wrong.

The raws said a birth of a new space or the destruction of the space iirc.

 

[HelloThere1089]

The raws said a birth of a new space or the destruction of the space iirc.

I saw on the fandom website that the japanese word used was for time-space specifically, but fandom is not an official source. So idk.

 

[KingogKings777]

I saw on the fandom website that the japanese word used was for time-space specifically, but fandom is not an official source. So idk.

Arc said it was space when Ussey Slayer was trying to upgrade it back or something.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Arc said it was space when Ussey Slayer was trying to upgrade it back or something.

Are you talking about the chapter where the fight was happening? I am talking about the chapter from Naruto gaiden. But I never translated the raws (and don't know how) so idk.

 

[KingogKings777]

Are you talking about the chapter where the fight was happening? I am talking about the chapter from Naruto gaiden. But I never translated the raws (and don't know how) so idk.

Yeah when the fight happened. No clue about gaiden.

 

[Samlex1234]

I was under the assumption that it was a timespace. Although I could be wrong.

You are not wrong. We don't have concrete evidence that she created the space time. But we know that with the ETSO she was going to destroy and recreate it.

 

[HelloThere1089]

You are not wrong. We don't have concrete evidence that she created the space time. But we know that with the ETSO she was going to destroy and recreate it.

Yeah. That's essentially the same thing if she was gonna create it again anyways. But too bad no canon material proves that her dimension is spatially infinite. So it's still 4-C over time.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Show me where it says Timeline branches

It’ll be some time. I typed that before work so on my Lunch i’ll continue.

 

[Samlex1234]

The spacetime continuum contains a timeline by definition.

It's fine if you don't believe me even though it is pretty clear cut from the wikipedia page. Here is a thread you can read:

Tier 2 characters CRT

Summer times is the only good time to be starting mass projects to revise every profile of X tier and what not; second, Sera Ex still had plans to define the difference between 3-A and Low 2-C feats. And while yes, it is true that destroying an entire timeline is the requirement at what a Low...

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This is a comment by Ultima in reply to a question that is similar to yours. If I'm not wrong this should give you more faith in my argument. For reference the specific comment is:

Tier 2 characters CRT

Summer times is the only good time to be starting mass projects to revise every profile of X tier and what not; second, Sera Ex still had plans to define the difference between 3-A and Low 2-C feats. And while yes, it is true that destroying an entire timeline is the requirement at what a Low...

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Read the entire conversation and it should clear up what I am saying.

Kaguya created a timespace = spacetime = spacetime continuum. Which means it has a temporal dimension. The replies should prove to you why that inherrently means that a timeline exists. The only requirement here for Low 2C would be to prove the spatial dimension to be infinite. Hope that clears stuff up.

Edit: Btw if you want an explanation from me too then here it is: The existence of a temporal axis means that it will have past, present, and future. That's how a line works regardless of it's length. The temporal axis isn't a point, it's a line that stretches out an unknown amount. The default assumption of a spacetime is that it is continuous.

This is quite interesting. Was this thread accepted?

What I read is basically, destroying or creating a Time-space continuum is considered Low 2-C, regardless of how long it existed or its size.
In summary, Low 2-C involves a significant impact on time-space, such as its creation or destruction, and doesn’t need to be infinite in size.
Hope I'm correct?

 

[HelloThere1089]

What I read is basically, destroying or creating a Time-space continuum is considered Low 2-C, regardless of how long it existed or its size.
In summary, Low 2-C involves a significant impact on time-space, such as its creation or destruction, and doesn’t need to be infinite in size.
Hope I'm correct?

No. For a character to be low 2-C it has to either:

1. Create a construct that is infinite in 3 spatial dimensions and contains 1 temporal (regardless of it's duration) dimension.
2. Destroy a construct that is infinite in 3 spatial dimensions and contains 1 temporal (the entire timeline and not just parts of it) dimension.

At least that's how I interpret the current standards and how the mods talk about it.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

No. For a character to be low 2-C it has to either:

1. Create a construct that is infinite in 3 spatial dimensions and contains 1 temporal (regardless of it's duration) dimension.
2. Destroy a construct that is infinite in 3 spatial dimensions and contains 1 temporal (the entire timeline and not just parts of it) dimension.

At least that's how I interpret the current standards and how the mods talk about it.

You're right.
And Kaguya unfortunately does not apply for either because with #1, the ETSB only recreates the spatial dimensions, and we have no evidence pointing towards them being infinite. And with #2, she only destroys the spatial dimensions as per Arc's translation of BZ's statement.
So, just an L on all fronts for Low 2-C ETSB.

 

[HelloThere1089]

You're right.
And Kaguya unfortunately does not apply for either because with #1, the ETSB only recreates the spatial dimensions, and we have no evidence pointing towards them being infinite. And with #2, she only destroys the spatial dimensions as per Arc's translation of BZ's statement.
So, just an L on all fronts for Low 2-C ETSB.

Kaguya is just a walking L ngl. Shame on her for not aiming for perfection. Btw, any evidence that she atleast created her dimensions in the first place?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Kaguya is just a walking L ngl. Shame on her for not aiming for perfection. Btw, any evidence that she atleast created her dimensions in the first place?

Not that I am aware of.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Not that I am aware of.

Non canon novels it is then...

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

I'm so confused rn.

Can you tell me which page this is? Also is this the japanese version or the viz version.

Viz. I was also paraphrasing.

This is not MWI tho. The way fate is described in Boruto, it might never be MWI, but it can be a multiverse. I'm still unsure of the continuous destruction of branches stuff.

On my lunch break, i’ll make a better argument for clarification on what I said.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Spacetime continuum contains a timeline by definition.

It's fine if you don't believe me even though it is pretty clear cut from the wikipedia page. Here is a thread you can read:

Tier 2 characters CRT

Summer times is the only good time to be starting mass projects to revise every profile of X tier and what not; second, Sera Ex still had plans to define the difference between 3-A and Low 2-C feats. And while yes, it is true that destroying an entire timeline is the requirement at what a Low...

vsbattles.com

This is a comment by Ultima in reply to a question that is similar to yours. If I'm not wrong this should give you more faith in my argument. For reference the specific comment is:

Tier 2 characters CRT

Summer times is the only good time to be starting mass projects to revise every profile of X tier and what not; second, Sera Ex still had plans to define the difference between 3-A and Low 2-C feats. And while yes, it is true that destroying an entire timeline is the requirement at what a Low...

vsbattles.com

Read the entire conversation and it should clear up what I am saying.

Kaguya created a timespace = spacetime = spacetime continuum. Which means it has a temporal dimension. The replies should prove to you why that inherrently means that a timeline exists. The only requirement here for Low 2C would be to prove the spatial dimension to be infinite. Hope that clears stuff up.

Edit: Btw if you want an explanation from me too then here it is: The existence of a temporal axis means that it will have past, present, and future. That's how a line works regardless of it's length. The temporal axis isn't a point, it's a line that stretches out an unknown amount. The default assumption of a spacetime is that it is continuous.

It says space time continnum
It's not about me believing something. It's you don't understand difference between space time and space time continnum
Space time ≠ Space time continnum. Show me where in tiering system page claims space time = space time continnum?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Non canon novels it is then...

You're referring to the Boruto Movie Novelization, right? I don't remember there being any statement about her creating her dimensions in the novel, but I can see how you can inductively reach that conclusion.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Viz. I was also paraphrasing.

On my lunch break, i’ll make a better argument for clarification on what I said.

No rush at all.

You're referring to the Boruto Movie Novelization, right? I don't remember there being any statement about her creating her dimensions in the novel, but I can see how you can inductively reach that conclusion.

Yes inductively. There are no direct statements.

 

[Samlex1234]

You're right.
And Kaguya unfortunately does not apply for either because with #1, the ETSB only recreates the spatial dimensions, and we have no evidence pointing towards them being infinite. And with #2, she only destroys the spatial dimensions as per Arc's translation of BZ's statement.
So, just an L on all fronts for Low 2-C ETSB.

Im not going to argue for low 2c kaguya I don't have the energy, does anybody have the Japanese kanji for that specific part.

This is the official translation that I'm aware off.

 

[Samlex1234]

No. For a character to be low 2-C it has to either:

1. Create a construct that is infinite in 3 spatial dimensions and contains 1 temporal (regardless of it's duration) dimension.
2. Destroy a construct that is infinite in 3 spatial dimensions and contains 1 temporal (the entire timeline and not just parts of it) dimension.

At least that's how I interpret the current standards and how the mods talk about it.

Thanks for the information.

 

[HelloThere1089]

It says space time continnum
It's not about me believing something. It's you don't understand difference between space time and space time continnum
Space time ≠ Space time continnum. Show me where in tiering system page claims space time = space time continnum?

Brother....Spacetime can either be discreet or continuous. There are no other options. The default assumption for a time axis will always be a continuum. The wikipedia page that is linked to the page that you mentioned also states that spacetime are also known as spacetime continuums.

Here is the page you linked:

Tier Low 2-C

vsbattles.fandom.com

Here is the link on that page used as reference for "space time continuum"

Spacetime - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Learn the difference between discreet and continuous. Also read the links that you send me. And read the pages that I linked. The thread also mentions why the default assumption is continuum.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Im not going to argue for low 2c kaguya I don't have the energy, does anybody have the Japanese kanji for that specific part.

This is the official translation that I'm aware off.

Yes, that is the official Viz translation.
Viz is notorious for getting things wrong all the time, they are far from 100% accurate. We had Arc7Kuroi, a trusted member, independtly translate those scans. I'm sure @KingogKings777 can share a link to the thread where all of this was discussed. I honestly don't remember what the thread was called.

 

[Samlex1234]

Yes, that is the official Viz translation.
Viz is notorious for getting things wrong all the time, they are far from 100% accurate. We had Arc7Kuroi, a trusted member, independtly translate those scans. I'm sure @KingogKings777 can share a link to the thread where all of this was discussed. I honestly don't remember what the thread was called.

Thanks. I would appreciate if anyone can find the thread and send.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Brother....Spacetime can either be discreet or continuous. There are no other options. The default assumption for a time axis will always be a continuum. The wikipedia page that is linked to the page that you mentioned also states that spacetime are also known as spacetime continuums.

Here is the page you linked:

Tier Low 2-C

vsbattles.fandom.com

Here is the link on that page used as reference for "space time continuum"

You proved my point again. You are skipping continnum word again and again.

Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continuums (the entire past, present and future of 3-dimensional space) of a universal scale.

Spacetime - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Learn the difference between discreet and continuous. Also read the links that you send me. And read the pages that I linked. The thread also mentions why the default assumption is continuum.

It's linked to explain what space time continnum is. Not to take spacetime statement as granted and use it to scale 4D.

You can go upgrade a verse without having statement for 4D space or timeline. Just with space-time words alone. I will concede you are right. Otherwise you are wrong no matter what you say with nitpicking words in Low 2-C page.

 

[HelloThere1089]

You proved my point again. You are skipping continnum word again and again.


It's linked to explain what space time continnum is. Not to take spacetime statement as granted and use it to scale 4D.

You can go upgrade a verse without having statement for 4D space or timeline. Just with space-time words alone. I will concede you are right. Otherwise you are wrong no matter what you say with nitpicking words in Low 2-C page.

Alright humor me please. If a spacetime isn't continuum, then what is it? Can you explain it to me? What does a spacetime that is not continuum look like? The wikipedia page verbatim says that "In physics, spacetime, also called the space-time continuum". Why would your default assumption be that it is not a continuum. Are you saying there are gaps in between the timeline?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Alright humor me please. If a spacetime isn't continuum, then what is it? Can you explain it to me? What does a spacetime that is not continuum look like? The wikipedia page verbatim says that "In physics, spacetime, also called the space-time continuum".

That's Wikipedia, not vs wiki or scaling sites.

Again, at this point, you think you're right no matter what I explain. Isn't it easier to upgrade a verse with just a space-time statement alone and prove it to me?

Just ping me when Low 2-C Kaguya dimensions become a thing with a space-time statement alone, without proving there is a timeline in it.

Why would your default assumption be that it is not a continuum. Are you saying there are gaps in between the timeline?

Because how this site works. At the very least vs wiki treats just space-time statement as pocket dimensions not the continnum or any timeline by default.

You can try upgrading a verse you will get to know that.

 

[KingogKings777]

Yes, that is the official Viz translation.
Viz is notorious for getting things wrong all the time, they are far from 100% accurate. We had Arc7Kuroi, a trusted member, independtly translate those scans. I'm sure @KingogKings777 can share a link to the thread where all of this was discussed. I honestly don't remember what the thread was called.

This one?
https://vsbattles.com/threads/yall-...lcome-back-also-late-birthday-present.153698/

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

This one?
https://vsbattles.com/threads/yall-...lcome-back-also-late-birthday-present.153698/

Looks like it, yeah. Thanks.

 

[karo_senpaii]

That's Wikipedia, not vs wiki or scaling sites.

Again, at this point, you think you're right no matter what I explain. Isn't it easier to upgrade a verse with just a space-time statement alone and prove it to me?

Just ping me when Low 2-C Kaguya dimensions become a thing with a space-time statement alone, without proving there is a timeline in it.

Because how this site works. At the very least vs wiki treats just space-time statement as pocket dimensions not the continnum or any timeline by default.

You can try upgrading a verse you will get to know that.

If the space time contained multiple galaxies and above in it well yeah it would have been low2c

 

[HelloThere1089]

That's Wikipedia, not vs wiki or scaling sites.

Again, at this point, you think you're right no matter what I explain. Isn't it easier to upgrade a verse with just a space-time statement alone and prove it to me?

Just ping me when Low 2-C Kaguya dimensions become a thing with a space-time statement alone, without proving there is a timeline in it.

Because how this site works. At the very least vs wiki treats just space-time statement as pocket dimensions not the continnum or any timeline by default.

You can try upgrading a verse you will get to know that.

Except I'm not trying to upgrade anything. The conversation started with me giving options to someone on how they can argue the cosmology being 2C off site because the novels that are needed for that argument are non canon. How ever I never said Kaguya's dimensions would be low 2C on this wiki. That's because Kaguya's dimensions are considered pocket dimensions here, not because the time isn't continuous (it is. It literally wouldn't make sense powerscaling wise otherwise.), but because the spatial aspect of the dimensions aren't infinite here. Not because the word continuum wasn't used. If you understood what that meant, you wouldn't have brought it up. Lastly, it's not just wikipedia, it's also just Physics (just read up on General Relativity) and websites like Britannica. Spacetime and spacetime continuum (usually) are the same thing. But let's just agree to disagree.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

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[karo_senpaii]

Looks like it, yeah. Thanks.

The profiles are strange. The spatial manipulation is not on Naruto page and all the Tso abilities are somehow missing from Kaguya page

 

[Samlex1234]

This one?
https://vsbattles.com/threads/yall-...lcome-back-also-late-birthday-present.153698/

The kanji means space so I guess the start of a new space then.