• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Samlex1234 said:
Im a bit confused.
The whole reason for the note is shaky
Lemme explain

Basically Kaguya does not scale to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball because


1. The attack required a significantly higher amount of chakra than she possessed naturally.

2. Scaling her ordinary stats to match this attack is inconsistent with her performance against Naruto and Sasuke, who each have only half of Hagoromo’s chakra.

However:

1. The chakra she received from the Infinite Tsukuyomi did exponentially increase her ordinary stats, as noted by vs Battle Wiki. “Mother just gained more power, both her individual stats might and speed are exponentially greater now


2. Kaguya with Shinobi chakra is substantially more powerful than Sasuke and Naruto. They required Kakashi, who was enhanced with chakra physically and had hax. That Kakashi is stronger than both Naruto and Sasuke and they needed him to seal her, mostly his hax. Naruto and sasuke could not even do anything except seal her.

@UchihaSlayer96
Please help here when you have the time🙏 I just need some clarification.
Click to expand...

First of all, forget the no 2 Coz I also think it makes no sense. Naruto was already a low tier six path level character (juubito). fuse that with half of hagoromo's chakra and add in pieces of 8 tailed beast chakra and you have a brand new power than you can't just limit to "half of hag's power".
Now for the first reasoning I get what you mean but it seems you don't fully understand the profile. Kaguya does scale to the ETSO just that the version that scales to it is just the "powered by IT" version and no one else not even her normal self scales.
Let me explain further, the destruction of the dimension was going to be done through EE and on this wiki any EE below tier 2 does not count towards ap (although I remember a staff thread a while back trying to change this but I don't know if it passed) so all we are left with is the creation of a new space part which we don't have a time frame asides the fact we know she must have created it by the time momoshiki and kinshiki came so a 17yr time frame was used to find what she would be outputting per second so it can scale to ap. This is why her profile says "5B(output per second) 4C overtime(output over 17yrs)
 
karo_senpaii said:
First of all, forget the no 2 Coz I also think it makes no sense. Naruto was already a low tier six path level character (juubito). fuse that with half of hagoromo's chakra and add in pieces of 8 tailed beast chakra and you have a brand new power than you can't just limit to "half of hag's power".
Now for the first reasoning I get what you mean but it seems you don't fully understand the profile. Kaguya does scale to the ETSO just that the version that scales to it is just the "powered by IT" version and no one else not even her normal self scales.
Let me explain further, the destruction of the dimension was going to be done through EE and on this wiki any EE below tier 2 does not count towards ap (although I remember a staff thread a while back trying to change this but I don't know if it passed) so all we are left with is the creation of a new space part which we don't have a time frame asides the fact we know she must have created it by the time momoshiki and kinshiki came so a 17yr time frame was used to find what she would be outputting per second so it can scale to ap. This is why her profile says "5B(output per second) 4C overtime(output over 17yrs)
Click to expand...
Also the UES removal.
 
I dont wanna hear this from the girl who got folded by Ku

GVlLcPiWUAAJk38.jpg
 
karo_senpaii said:
First of all, forget the no 2 Coz I also think it makes no sense. Naruto was already a low tier six path level character (juubito). fuse that with half of hagoromo's chakra and add in pieces of 8 tailed beast chakra and you have a brand new power than you can't just limit to "half of hag's power".
Now for the first reasoning I get what you mean but it seems you don't fully understand the profile. Kaguya does scale to the ETSO just that the version that scales to it is just the "powered by IT" version and no one else not even her normal self scales.
Let me explain further, the destruction of the dimension was going to be done through EE and on this wiki any EE below tier 2 does not count towards ap (although I remember a staff thread a while back trying to change this but I don't know if it passed) so all we are left with is the creation of a new space part which we don't have a time frame asides the fact we know she must have created it by the time momoshiki and kinshiki came so a 17yr time frame was used to find what she would be outputting per second so it can scale to ap. This is why her profile says "5B(output per second) 4C overtime(output over 17yrs)
Click to expand...
so she scales with the shinobi chakra to the creation feat?
 
Tiny piece of Kurama that's not burned in Baryon Mode + Himawai being on the same league of strength as Naruto have Hagoromo's chakra is crazy tbh
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Nein.
Click to expand...
Heyy @UchihaSlayer96
Can we remove this note as it is outdated and inconsistent?
“The attempts to make Kaguya scale to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball were rejected many times before. The primary reason is because this attack required an amount of chakra far greater than her own chakra, and scaling her ordinary stats to it is inconsistent with her performance against Naruto and Sasuke who only possess half of Hagoromo's chakra each.”

We can replace it with something about
EE and the UES (for the destruction feat)
 
Samlex1234 said:
Heyy uchihaslayer96
Can we remove this note as it is outdated and inconsistent?
“The attempts to make Kaguya scale to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball were rejected many times before. The primary reason is because this attack required an amount of chakra far greater than her own chakra, and scaling her ordinary stats to it is inconsistent with her performance against Naruto and Sasuke who only possess half of Hagoromo's chakra each.”

We can replace it with something about
EE and the UES (for the destruction feat)
Click to expand...
I mean, feel free to make a CRT with an updated note for her profile. It can definitely be changed up.
 
General question: Is there anyone in the Naruto/Boruto verse who knows why Kaguya would not scale due to the UES and would love to assist me in creating a better note if possible?🙏
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Brother Spacetime and Spacetime continuum are the same thing. Continuum means that the entire thing has no gaps in space or time. This should be the default assumption for any spacetime the same way we by default assume every normal planet has it's core and is not hollow. I have never encountered a distinction between Spacetime and Spacetime continuum in physics so far. Both are used to describe the same thing. Even the link I provided does the same exact thing. There is absolutely no requirement for a stated infinitely stretching time axis for it to be a continuum.
Click to expand...
Ok.
Do you know how this site would treat it? Do they give all space-time dimensions the default benefit-of-the-doubt?
 
Kayzz said:
Ok.
Do you know how this site would treat it? Do they give all space-time dimensions the default benefit-of-the-doubt?
Click to expand...
I am not sure. But I have yet to encounter a single wiki rule or even an FAQ that differentiates between a space-time and a space-time continuum. I am mostly talking from a physics standpoint in my answers.

But I'd like to mention that the link provided in low 2C page redirects to Wikipedia which says both words are interchangeable. The wiki page for Universe also uses them interchangeably. It just makes no logical sense for anybody to differentiate between the two.

From what I understand in the wiki if a dimension is stated to be a space-time (or a space-time continuum or has been stated to have a time axis), and is spatially infinite in size on top of that, the dimension is considered low 2C. These are the only two conditions I have seen. If it is not stated to be a space-time, then there are other conditions that can be checked but those are irrelevant for this discussion.
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
It's Limited Low Godly Regen Negation and that's only for Naruto since it's attributed to his use of Kurama's power

And regenerating a shoulder with outside help wouldn't count as Low Godly
Click to expand...
Matsuri should get healing for controlling the tree. She is the one prolly healing that bum.

Edit: And the Shinju can get mid high or lower resurrection via soul thorn. Depending on if the wiki decides that Hidari resurrected from ashes or just really small particles of his flesh and blood. Either way it's tough to argue a solid godly rating unless they confirm that soul thorn will come back no matter what because it relies on their souls or sumn.
 
Last edited:
Samlex1234 said:
Thanks for that. I found the below,
Are these the only reasons?
The attempts to make Kaguya scale to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball were rejected many times before. The primary reason is because this attack required an amount of chakra far greater than her own chakra, and scaling her ordinary stats to it is inconsistent with her performance against Naruto and Sasuke who only possess half of Hagoromo's chakra each.
Click to expand...
I feel like that is a wrong interpretation, the entire point of using IT chakra is to gain energy for herself, the lore surrounding Otsutsuki have always been to use the god tree to suck away chakra from the life inhabiting the planet to strengthen the physicals of the otsutsuki that's consuming it, Kaguya verbatim got stronger and faster so this should scale to her new amped form. (Basically chakra going into her, amping her and then her making ETSO instead of IT chakra being directly transferred into the attack)

I feel like that is a more sound interpretation, obviously we don't have UES so its unlikely to get to her AP
 
Last edited:
@NeoKingOfLight btw I forgor to reply to your comment. I mean it doesn't seem enough to conclude that it is for sure a multiverse. I think the best we can hope is when the inevitable database entry drops for this ability, we might get some clarification. Also they might have another yap session in the future too.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Matsuri should get healing for controlling the tree. She is the one prolly healing that bum.

Edit: And the Shinju can get mid high or lower resurrection via soul thorn. Depending on if the wiki decides that Hidari resurrected from ashes or just really small particles of his flesh and blood. Either way it's tough to argue a solid godly rating unless they confirm that soul thorn will come back no matter what because it relies on their souls or sumn.
Click to expand...
Them yapping about having better Regen than humans or Jinchuriki but needing a tree to do it

Them yapping they're Bijuu but only regening into a Bud when their bodies' are destroyed, and needing a tree in order to create a new body
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
Them yapping about having better Regen than humans or Jinchuriki but needing a tree to do it

Them yapping they're Bijuu but only regening into a Bud when their bodies' are destroyed, and needing a tree in order to create a new body
Click to expand...
Each chapter just keeps exposing these frauds fr. I mean Hidari alone downgraded the Rinnegan to not having the properties of a Sharingan.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

HelloThere1089
Naruto/Boruto character with the best BIQ feats
Replies
23
Views
2K
karo_senpaii
karo_senpaii
Apollonir.Scale
Naruto Hax Upgrading
2 3
Replies
119
Views
11K
Arc7Kuroi
Arc7Kuroi
RanaProGamer
Fixing the Naruto Storm Scaling Chain
Replies
26
Views
3K
RanaProGamer
RanaProGamer
Godernet
  • Locked
Hags and Kags being Divas (Naruto CRT)
2
Replies
49
Views
4K
Godernet
Godernet
sageof8paths
  • Locked
My expansive truth seeking balls of steel
Replies
24
Views
1K
Damage3245
Damage3245
Back
Top