Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[HelloThere1089]

Shibai just won't be Low 2-C on this site with the level of information we have for his transcendence.

Having a general statement of accruing so much power that you transcend into a higher dimension isn't enough to assume said transcendence was one that resulted in him transferring into a dimension that is mathematically higher compared to the normal Naruto world or him transcending beyond pass the 3-D form that constructed his physical body.

Y'all can try to add it when the profile is made, but you're getting slammed on y'alls head by DT.

We basically have confirmation (unless the translations are incorrect) that the dimension Amado was talking about isn't a mathematical one, rather a completely separate dimension. When Momoshiki confirms Amado's statements he says that Shibai is no longer in this dimension. Someone who becomes 4D doesn't just leave the preexisting 3 Dimensions. So most likely Amado was talking about a separate dimension like pure lands or sumn.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Shibai just won't be Low 2-C on this site with the level of information we have for his transcendence.

Having a general statement of accruing so much power that you transcend into a higher dimension isn't enough to assume said transcendence was one that resulted in him transferring into a dimension that is mathematically higher compared to the normal Naruto world or him transcending beyond pass the 3-D existence that constructed his physical body.

Y'all can try to add it when the profile is made, but you're getting slammed on y'alls head by DT.

nuh uhhh!!!!

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Lmao. Although wouldn't mind them randomly pulling out ARs.

But the source of those information never existed after those futures are erased. So essentially Koji just magically had that info in his brain. This creates a paradox because Koji didn't actually invent those jutsus.

Not necessarily. So long as Boruto still has the capacity for those Jutsu, it wouldn’t create a paradox.

Point 1: Boruto Knows X Jutsu & Moves in the Future.
Point 2: Koji viewed those jutsu and moves via Prescience as an outside observer.
Point 3: Koji Teaches those moves to Boruto.
Point 4: Those Futures where Boruto learned those moves w/o Koji are erased, but new futures are created where Boruto knows those Jutsu and Moves at the same time.

The Time Paradox example is, one can’t go back in time to kill themselves because they wouldn’t exist in the future to go back in time in the first place. This logic only works for Linear Timelines.

Using Branched Theory, all you end up doing is creating a branched timeline where you no longer are living at the point you kill yourself. There is no paradox in this scenario.

This instance with Koji follows the Branched Theory.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Not necessarily. So long as Boruto still has the capacity for those Jutsu, it wouldn’t create a paradox.

Point 1: Boruto Knows X Jutsu & Moves in the Future.
Point 2: Koji viewed those jutsu and moves via Prescience as an outside observer.
Point 3: Koji Teaches those moves to Boruto.
Point 4: Those Futures where Boruto learned those moves w/o Koji are erased, but new futures are created where Boruto knows those Jutsu and Moves at the same time.

Yes but in the new futures he learned it from KK. That creates a Bootstrap Paradox tho.

The Time Paradox example is, one can’t go back in time to kill themselves because they wouldn’t exist in the future to go back in time in the first place. This logic only works for Linear Timelines.

Sure. But information paradoxes exist.

Using Branched Theory, all you end up doing is creating a branched timeline where you no longer are living at the point you kill yourself. There is no paradox in this scenario.

This works if there are separate physical concurrent timelines. Boruto doesn't have this. That would be MWI.

 

[lolgutwo]

We basically have confirmation (unless the translations are incorrect) that the dimension Amado was talking about isn't a mathematical one, rather a completely separate dimension. When Momoshiki confirms Amado's statements he says that Shibai is no longer in this dimension. Someone who becomes 4D doesn't just leave the preexisting 3 Dimensions. So most likely Amado was talking about a separate dimension like pure lands or sumn.

Didnt care enough to check so far, but did anyone see what the raws say in the place where Momoshiki says that Shibai is no longer in their dimension in the English translation? I know some people were making a fuss about Amado using the word jigen when he described his ascension and saying that means hes a legit higher dimensional being, but did Momoshiki use jikūkan (time-space)?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

She from Alabama and she see me as a brotha

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Yes but in the new futures he learned it from KK. That creates a Bootstrap Paradox tho.

Sure. But information paradoxes exist.

This works if there are separate physical concurrent timelines. Boruto doesn't have this. That would be MWI.

The way Koji explained it, it sounds like Multiple Branches exist until the timeline selects a Branch. This would ironically erase an infinite amount of branches while creating an infinite amount of branches at the same time

**** it… Prescience gives Koji Resistance to Time Paradoxs.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Just watched the most dog ass video in vc with Deceived and Wrath:

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I don't quite agree with the madara take. We already saw the dual rinnengan madara vs hashirama fight. granted they were Edo but that just means they were both nerfed so alive it would not end differently. I think madara even said tobirama and hashirama can't attain their former speed when they were alive or something and they difference between edo and alive rinnengan has been restricted I.e limbo. Although this would go quite diferently if by dual rinnengan he means "alive madara with sage mode and the 2 rinnengan" then yeah madara takes it

I don't think fake Rinnegan are as powerful as real Rinnegan even taking Limbo aside, there's a reason there was so much emphasis placed on how Madara shouldn't get back his other Rinnegan, despite Obito not knowing Limbo. I also think Edo Madara~>Edo Hashirama as he got immobilizing rods in Hashirama's back that he just elected not to use until he revived

RIP to a goat

We basically have confirmation (unless the translations are incorrect) that the dimension Amado was talking about isn't a mathematical one, rather a completely separate dimension. When Momoshiki confirms Amado's statements he says that Shibai is no longer in this dimension. Someone who becomes 4D doesn't just leave the preexisting 3 Dimensions. So most likely Amado was talking about a separate dimension like pure lands or sumn.

I mean he says Amado is right in response to him saying he attained higher dimensional existence so I wouldn't say that debunks it. Left the dimension can also mean leaving because he transcended to a higher one.

Yes but in the new futures he learned it from KK. That creates a Bootstrap Paradox tho.

Sure. But information paradoxes exist.

This works if there are separate physical concurrent timelines. Boruto doesn't have this. That would be MWI.

I think it's just that Koji's ability is outside these normal rules of time in that all possibilities that could've happened but didn't remain in his brain

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

people made a big deal because its a mathematical wording for dimension which does at face value mean what we associated higher spatial dimensions with, the issue is that alone isnt enough because the context surrounding can change if its meant to be taken literally or not. (in the same way someone can say as hot as the sun, something being as hot as the sun is a real temp but not every context means its literal, thats just not how language works)

there are many works that use the mathematical wording for exaggeration to emphasize a massive difference. obviously im not saying Shibai cant be a higher dimensional big chungus daddy tier 2 or hell even tier 1 character, its just that the info we have rn is so limited that its a non sequitur

 

[HelloThere1089]

The way Koji explained it, it sounds like Multiple Branches exist until the timeline selects a Branch. This would ironically erase an infinite amount of branches while creating an infinite amount of branches at the same time

They are possibilities I think. If they were actual physical timelines, then every action would effectively be a genocide destroying entire universes.

**** it… Prescience gives Koji Resistance to Time Paradoxs.

Koji did allude to it by saying "No contradictions. Believe it!" Prolly the only thing I dislike in this godly chapter.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

he just elected not to use until he revived

That was such a Big D, Giga brain move from Chadara.

 

[HelloThere1089]

I think it's just that Koji's ability is outside these normal rules of time in that all possibilities that could've happened but didn't remain in his brain

For this to happen (And it could be happening in the future), there has to be a second time axis that stores the history and information of all the possibilities.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

something something the book of transcendence

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

For this to happen (And it could be happening in the future), there has to be a second time axis that stores the history and information of all the possibilities.

I think we still have a lot to learn about the cosmology, so it's entirely possible that all of these issues will be squared away naturally in the future.

 

[HelloThere1089]

I think we still have a lot to learn about the cosmology, so it's entirely possible that all of these issues will be squared away naturally in the future.

For sure. I am just bouncing off ideas and asking questions to form my own position. The manga isn't over and it can easily answer my questions in the future. I'm just impatient asf.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

For sure. I am just bouncing off ideas and asking questions to form my own position. The manga isn't over and it can easily answer my questions in the future. I'm just impatient asf.

Hey, I get it lol. It doesn't help that we may have to wait years to find out the answers given how horrendous the pacing is.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Hey, I get it lol. It doesn't help that we may have to wait years to find out the answers given how horrendous the pacing is.

**** me. I am finished. My grand kids can prolly figure it out when they get the next bit of info abt this.

 

[HelloThere1089]

people made a big deal because its a mathematical wording for dimension which does at face value mean what we associated higher spatial dimensions with, the issue is that alone isnt enough because the context surrounding can change if its meant to be taken literally or not. (in the same way someone can say as hot as the sun, something being as hot as the sun is a real temp but not every context means its literal, thats just not how language works)

there are many works that use the mathematical wording for exaggeration to emphasize a massive difference. obviously im not saying Shibai cant be a higher dimensional big chungus daddy tier 2 or hell even tier 1 character, its just that the info we have rn is so limited that its a non sequitur

Thanks, I didn't know abt the japanese wording. Just to clarify, is it like Shibai went to a separate dimension but that dimension could be 4D(spatially)? If we take it at face value that is.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

That was such a Big D, Giga brain move from Chadara.

I'm not quite sure if this is sarcasm but I believe it's not?

For this to happen (And it could be happening in the future), there has to be a second time axis that stores the history and information of all the possibilities.

Mayb there is. Maybe Koji's brain is the second time axis

 

[HelloThere1089]

Just watched the most dog ass video in vc with Deceived and Wrath:

Idk what you're talking about. Makes perfect sense to me. Why wouldn't Multiversal characters freak out about a planetary attack?

Mayb there is. Maybe Koji's brain is the second time axis

Lol. Koji is literally the big brain meme now.

 

[lolgutwo]

people made a big deal because its a mathematical wording for dimension which does at face value mean what we associated higher spatial dimensions with, the issue is that alone isnt enough because the context surrounding can change if its meant to be taken literally or not. (in the same way someone can say as hot as the sun, something being as hot as the sun is a real temp but not every context means its literal, thats just not how language works)

there are many works that use the mathematical wording for exaggeration to emphasize a massive difference. obviously im not saying Shibai cant be a higher dimensional big chungus daddy tier 2 or hell even tier 1 character, its just that the info we have rn is so limited that its a non sequitur

Yup yup, I know. Just curious about what Momoshiki said in Japanese when he said that Shibai is no longer in their dimension. Momoshiki saying that Shibai left the jikūkan or time-space (what we usually call dimensions in Naruto and what is used to describe Kaguyas dimensions, the Kamui dimension, etc.) seems unlikely when Amado described Shibai using a different term that more so points to a higher spatial dimension in the very chapter before that. If Momoshiki also used the mathematical wording for dimension, what exactly did he say?

 

[HelloThere1089]

He said dem nuts are transcendent.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I'm not quite sure if this is sarcasm but I believe it's not?

Nah, I mean it. It's pretty badass that Madara was so confident in his revival plan panning out that he held out on using his winning move against Hashirama.

 

[Tdjwo]

All these yapping just to deny the Boruto multiverse existence

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

No one is denying that Boruto follows Many Worlds you goon, they just ain’t tier 2 in stats

 

[Gokukid2005]

Anyway I'm curious as to if Boruto is actually being protected by Shibai and if so, why?

 

[Tdjwo]

No one is denying that Boruto follows Many Worlds you goon, they just ain’t tier 2 in stats

Shibai dumps on Clorox. Shut up.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Shibai dumps on Clorox. Shut up.

 

[lolgutwo]

No one is denying that Boruto follows Many Worlds you goon, they just ain’t tier 2 in stats

Wouldnt Many Worlds mean that there are infinite timelines that physically exist? I dont think Koji implied thats how it works in the verse but I might be confused.

 

[Deceived3596]

Shibai dumps on Clorox. Shut up.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Shibai dumps on Clorox. Shut up.

 

[Tdjwo]

****** mad cuz shibai is at minimum tier 2A.

 

[HelloThere1089]

No one is denying that Boruto follows Many Worlds you goon, they just ain’t tier 2 in stats

From what I'm seeing, there is no confirmation for MWI. Those are all possible futures. MWI requires physical universes to combat the quantum superposition issue. Unless I'm misinterpreting something. Don't get me wrong it could still end up being MWI, but the way it's currently explained make it sound like they're just possible futures.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Tdjwo couldn't craft a coherent argument as to why Shibai must be 2-A if he had infinite prep time.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Tdjwo couldn't craft a coherent argument as to why Shibai must be 2-A if he had infinite prep time.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Yup yup, I know. Just curious about what Momoshiki said in Japanese when he said that Shibai is no longer in their dimension. Momoshiki saying that Shibai left the jikūkan or time-space (what we usually call dimensions in Naruto and what is used to describe Kaguyas dimensions, the Kamui dimension, etc.) seems unlikely when Amado described Shibai using a different term that more so points to a higher spatial dimension in the very chapter before that. If Momoshiki also used the mathematical wording for dimension, what exactly did he say?

just means that his no longer in the present world as we know it, you can become HDE and still leave the physical world (most fictional series treat it differently)

 

[Tdjwo]

Tdjwo couldn't craft a coherent argument as to why Shibai must be 2-A if he had infinite prep time.

Suck ma ballz

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Shibai being a literal HDE (4D) being is certainly an equivocal claim. Like it is very much a possible interpretation, and given how he has abilities like Prescience, which grant him a 4D perception, I wouldn't be surprised if he did eventually end up as tier 2. However, right now there's just no solid supporting evidence to dial in on a most likely interpretation for what occurred to Shibai when he transcended, outside the fact that he's super strong and left his physical body. He'll probably be the Fudo Myo'o of the Naruto verse ngl, but until we get more information y'all are gonna have to be happy with Deceived and I slapping 4-C on him.

 

[Tdjwo]

Trust the process. One day. Once we get rid of these Clorox goons aka Arc7bleachdrider.