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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

karo_senpaii said:
I don't quite agree with the madara take. We already saw the dual rinnengan madara vs hashirama fight. granted they were Edo but that just means they were both nerfed so alive it would not end differently. I think madara even said tobirama and hashirama can't attain their former speed when they were alive or something and they difference between edo and alive rinnengan has been restricted I.e limbo. Although this would go quite diferently if by dual rinnengan he means "alive madara with sage mode and the 2 rinnengan" then yeah madara takes it
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I mean Madara after he got brought back in the War Arc. Limbo is the ONLY thing restricted.
 
Question: Wouldn't the new "learning jutsus from the future" create a ton of grandfather paradoxes? Especially considering that the verse currently doesn't follow MWI.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Question: Wouldn't the new "learning jutsus from the future" create a ton of grandfather paradoxes? Especially considering that the verse currently doesn't follow MWI.
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I read that as “Modern Warfare 1” 💀

As far as the question goes, no. It would eliminate those futures where he learns them “organically”, but Koji already has the information about them. That information isn’t erased just because those futures were.

If that makes sense… 🤔
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
I read that as “Modern Warfare 1” 💀
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Lmao. Although wouldn't mind them randomly pulling out ARs.
NeoKingOfLight said:
As far as the question goes, no. It would eliminate those futures where he learns them “organically”, but Koji already has the information about them. That information isn’t erased just because those futures were.

If that makes sense… 🤔
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But the source of those information never existed after those futures are erased. So essentially Koji just magically had that info in his brain. This creates a paradox because Koji didn't actually invent those jutsus.
 
New TBV chapter is officially out. I saw some of you mention it but 400 Shinju was just someones fanfic, its not in the raws or the viz translation.
 
Yea that’s a pretty OP ability, it can see infinite possible futures, and if the scan of shibai creating this current universe and its infinite possibilities is right, that’s even crazier.
 
SlendVeny said:
No, because he still would have seen that future in the list of possibilities.
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Look at it this way.
Boruto knows X jutsu => KK taught him via future Boruto => Once that time in future is arrived, the future that KK saw is going to be eliminated because that's how time works => For all intents and purposes the source of the jutsu is KK now => Where did KK learn the jutsu from? Because that future has already been eliminated.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Look at it this way.
Boruto knows X jutsu => KK taught him via future Boruto => Once that time in future is arrived, the future that KK saw is going to be eliminated because that's how time works => For all intents and purposes the source of the jutsu is KK now => Where did KK learn the jutsu from? Because that future has already been eliminated.
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Boruto won’t “arrive” to that future
He arrives to a new one spawned from a change in Events
 
Well so the Boruto cosmology is 2B or 2A “Infinite possibilities”
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Look at it this way.
Boruto knows X jutsu => KK taught him via future Boruto => Once that time in future is arrived, the future that KK saw is going to be eliminated because that's how time works => For all intents and purposes the source of the jutsu is KK now => Where did KK learn the jutsu from? Because that future has already been eliminated.
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Not necessarily because he's viewing a different Boruto's possible future, not the current Boruto's future that'll come to pass. At least that's how I sorta understood it. He's looking at different possibilities for the future (aka different timelines), not necessarily how their own future will play out.
Think of it like Doctor Strange viewing millions of possibilities during Infinity War, but most of them don't end up materializing within their own timeline.
Tdjwo said:
Nice to assume he's not far above 2C from what we've seen.
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There's literally no reason to assume Shibai is even 2-C to begin with given the information we currently have. I'm not saying he can't be that high, or even higher, but based on what we have now? Nah.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
KK would still retain the memories of the future that vanishes, he views them like narrative story beats
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Yeah but that would be a bootstrap paradox would it not?
KaydeeX said:
Boruto won’t “arrive” to that future
He arrives to a new one spawned from a change in Events
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Yes but the old one vanishes. So basically the info about the jutsu effectively came from thin air.
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Not necessarily because he's viewing a different Boruto's possible future, not the current Boruto's future that'll come to pass. At least that's how I sorta understood it. He's looking at different possibilities for the future (aka different timelines), not necessarily how their own future will play out.
Think of it like Doctor Strange viewing millions of possibilities during Infinity War, but most of them don't end up materializing within their own timeline.
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MCU follows MWI so it wouldn't have that issue. In Boruto, the way it's explained, possibilities vanish. So the source will eventually vanish. Causing a bootstrap paradox.
 
Shibai just won't be Low 2-C on this site with the level of information we have for his transcendence.

Having a general statement of accruing so much power that you transcend into a higher dimension isn't enough to assume said transcendence was one that resulted in him transferring into a dimension that is mathematically higher compared to the normal Naruto world or him transcending beyond pass the 3-D existence that constructed his physical body.

Y'all can try to add it when the profile is made, but you're getting slammed on y'alls head by DT.
 
Deceived3596 said:
Shibai just won't be Low 2-C on this site with the level of information we have for his transcendence.

Having a general statement of accruing so much power that you transcend into a higher dimension isn't enough to assume said transcendence was one that resulted in him transferring into a dimension that is mathematically higher compared to the normal Naruto world or him transcending beyond pass the 3-D form that constructed his physical body.

Y'all can try to add it when the profile is made, but you're getting slammed on y'alls head by DT.
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We basically have confirmation (unless the translations are incorrect) that the dimension Amado was talking about isn't a mathematical one, rather a completely separate dimension. When Momoshiki confirms Amado's statements he says that Shibai is no longer in this dimension. Someone who becomes 4D doesn't just leave the preexisting 3 Dimensions. So most likely Amado was talking about a separate dimension like pure lands or sumn.
 
Deceived3596 said:
Shibai just won't be Low 2-C on this site with the level of information we have for his transcendence.

Having a general statement of accruing so much power that you transcend into a higher dimension isn't enough to assume said transcendence was one that resulted in him transferring into a dimension that is mathematically higher compared to the normal Naruto world or him transcending beyond pass the 3-D existence that constructed his physical body.

Y'all can try to add it when the profile is made, but you're getting slammed on y'alls head by DT.
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nuh uhhh!!!!
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Lmao. Although wouldn't mind them randomly pulling out ARs.

But the source of those information never existed after those futures are erased. So essentially Koji just magically had that info in his brain. This creates a paradox because Koji didn't actually invent those jutsus.
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Not necessarily. So long as Boruto still has the capacity for those Jutsu, it wouldn’t create a paradox.

Point 1: Boruto Knows X Jutsu & Moves in the Future.
Point 2: Koji viewed those jutsu and moves via Prescience as an outside observer.
Point 3: Koji Teaches those moves to Boruto.
Point 4: Those Futures where Boruto learned those moves w/o Koji are erased, but new futures are created where Boruto knows those Jutsu and Moves at the same time.

The Time Paradox example is, one can’t go back in time to kill themselves because they wouldn’t exist in the future to go back in time in the first place. This logic only works for Linear Timelines.

Using Branched Theory, all you end up doing is creating a branched timeline where you no longer are living at the point you kill yourself. There is no paradox in this scenario.

This instance with Koji follows the Branched Theory.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Not necessarily. So long as Boruto still has the capacity for those Jutsu, it wouldn’t create a paradox.

Point 1: Boruto Knows X Jutsu & Moves in the Future.
Point 2: Koji viewed those jutsu and moves via Prescience as an outside observer.
Point 3: Koji Teaches those moves to Boruto.
Point 4: Those Futures where Boruto learned those moves w/o Koji are erased, but new futures are created where Boruto knows those Jutsu and Moves at the same time.
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Yes but in the new futures he learned it from KK. That creates a Bootstrap Paradox tho.
NeoKingOfLight said:
The Time Paradox example is, one can’t go back in time to kill themselves because they wouldn’t exist in the future to go back in time in the first place. This logic only works for Linear Timelines.
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Sure. But information paradoxes exist.
NeoKingOfLight said:
Using Branched Theory, all you end up doing is creating a branched timeline where you no longer are living at the point you kill yourself. There is no paradox in this scenario.
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This works if there are separate physical concurrent timelines. Boruto doesn't have this. That would be MWI.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
We basically have confirmation (unless the translations are incorrect) that the dimension Amado was talking about isn't a mathematical one, rather a completely separate dimension. When Momoshiki confirms Amado's statements he says that Shibai is no longer in this dimension. Someone who becomes 4D doesn't just leave the preexisting 3 Dimensions. So most likely Amado was talking about a separate dimension like pure lands or sumn.
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Didnt care enough to check so far, but did anyone see what the raws say in the place where Momoshiki says that Shibai is no longer in their dimension in the English translation? I know some people were making a fuss about Amado using the word jigen when he described his ascension and saying that means hes a legit higher dimensional being, but did Momoshiki use jikūkan (time-space)?
 
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