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1. That is just projectile speedIn speed, cause they're just shown attacking alongside each other a lot.
2. Tobirama is faster than Madara
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1. That is just projectile speedIn speed, cause they're just shown attacking alongside each other a lot.
1. They're also portrayed as attacking at the same time in the upper panels, and anyways, I don't see why there's a big distinction between close range and projectile speed1. That is just projectile speed
2. Tobirama is faster than Madara
Projectile travel speed is for sure different, but I just realized that's Edo Madara anyway, so I don't really disagree.1. They're also portrayed as attacking at the same time in the upper panels, and anyways, I don't see why there's a big distinction between close range and projectile speed
These don't really have much context around them, but I will agree that their Imperfect Edo Tenseis being comparable IS quite relevant here, they do seem even given that context.2. With FTG sure, but physically he's more consistently depicted to be Base Hashirama tier (I imagine you'll point out that most of these are movement speed, but the first is combat speed)
Sure it's probably faster than cqc speed, but it generally scales proportionately (if X character's cqc speed is 1 and their projectile speed is 3, and Y character's projectile speed is 3, their cqc speed is likely 1; at least it generally is portrayed that way)Projectile travel speed is for sure different, but I just realized that's Edo Madara anyway, so I don't really disagree.
They got to the battlefield with Shunshin at the same time which I'd say is the second best feat, they're kinda portrayed as running in sync to Madara but that's the vaguest feat there, and they land next to Juubito together, but they might've been intentionally moving together (not sure what the benefit of that would've been other than making a cool landing shot together tho).These don't really have much context around them
but I will agree that their Imperfect Edo Tenseis being comparable IS quite relevant here, they do seem even given that context.
Doing cool poses is the #1 priority, 8th Gate Guy and Baryon Mode Naruto prove this.(not sure what the benefit of that would've been other than making a cool landing shot together tho).
I don't quite agree with the madara take. We already saw the dual rinnengan madara vs hashirama fight. granted they were Edo but that just means they were both nerfed so alive it would not end differently. I think madara even said tobirama and hashirama can't attain their former speed when they were alive or something and they difference between edo and alive rinnengan has been restricted I.e limbo. Although this would go quite diferently if by dual rinnengan he means "alive madara with sage mode and the 2 rinnengan" then yeah madara takes itThe Uchihas prolly win high diff. EMS Madara was already close to Hashirama. Given that the Rinnegan based on narrative and other scalings is likely a bigger boost, and the broken Rinnegan abilities and Mokuton, he should beat Hashirama eventually.
Izuna loses to Tobirama, but the difficulty depends on how much Tobirama improved after the Warring States Era, which is a bit unknown. Either way, the result of their battle probably isn't that important since they're the weakest members of their teams.
Obito should beat Tobirama's squad. Hiruzen and Danzo are the only ones with any scaling. Danzo is an MS Sasuke victim so he's getting destroyed (not sure if he could even Izanagi back from the Kamui dimension since that doesn't hurt him), and while Prime Hiruzen's higher metas get him above Obito, I think him just being vaguely Tobirama level+ is the most consistent, which isn't enough to put him above Obito.
I mean Madara after he got brought back in the War Arc. Limbo is the ONLY thing restricted.I don't quite agree with the madara take. We already saw the dual rinnengan madara vs hashirama fight. granted they were Edo but that just means they were both nerfed so alive it would not end differently. I think madara even said tobirama and hashirama can't attain their former speed when they were alive or something and they difference between edo and alive rinnengan has been restricted I.e limbo. Although this would go quite diferently if by dual rinnengan he means "alive madara with sage mode and the 2 rinnengan" then yeah madara takes it
yeah then I agree with sparkleI mean Madara after he got brought back in the War Arc. Limbo is the ONLY thing restricted.
I read that as “Modern Warfare 1”Question: Wouldn't the new "learning jutsus from the future" create a ton of grandfather paradoxes? Especially considering that the verse currently doesn't follow MWI.
Lmao. Although wouldn't mind them randomly pulling out ARs.I read that as “Modern Warfare 1”
But the source of those information never existed after those futures are erased. So essentially Koji just magically had that info in his brain. This creates a paradox because Koji didn't actually invent those jutsus.As far as the question goes, no. It would eliminate those futures where he learns them “organically”, but Koji already has the information about them. That information isn’t erased just because those futures were.
If that makes sense…
Add OPM, DBSuper, and Fire Force. I see it with my "10 Directions"Like I said, Shibai is soloing Clorox.
Ikr. And it's every single time. People out here setting themselves up for failure.Pretty weird starting that type of discussion tbh
Koji says in the chapter that there wouldn't be in kind of paradoxQuestion: Wouldn't the new "learning jutsus from the future" create a ton of grandfather paradoxes? Especially considering that the verse currently doesn't follow MWI.
I know. But I don't understand how. It doesn't make any sense. Also sounds like a cop out.Koji says in the chapter that there wouldn't be in kind of paradox
No, because the future hasn't happened yetQuestion: Wouldn't the new "learning jutsus from the future" create a ton of grandfather paradoxes? Especially considering that the verse currently doesn't follow MWI.
Doesn't matter. The grandfather paradox will still exist.No, because the future hasn't happened yet
No, because he still would have seen that future in the list of possibilities.Doesn't matter. The grandfather paradox will still exist.
Nice to assume he's not far above 2C from what we've seen.Boruto isn't touching OPM or DBS anytime soon even if we assume Shibai is Low 2-C to 2C. Just being factual here.
Look at it this way.No, because he still would have seen that future in the list of possibilities.
Present an argument for why he should be above 2CNice to assume he's not far above 2C from what we've seen.
Boruto won’t “arrive” to that futureLook at it this way.
Boruto knows X jutsu => KK taught him via future Boruto => Once that time in future is arrived, the future that KK saw is going to be eliminated because that's how time works => For all intents and purposes the source of the jutsu is KK now => Where did KK learn the jutsu from? Because that future has already been eliminated.
Not necessarily because he's viewing a different Boruto's possible future, not the current Boruto's future that'll come to pass. At least that's how I sorta understood it. He's looking at different possibilities for the future (aka different timelines), not necessarily how their own future will play out.Look at it this way.
Boruto knows X jutsu => KK taught him via future Boruto => Once that time in future is arrived, the future that KK saw is going to be eliminated because that's how time works => For all intents and purposes the source of the jutsu is KK now => Where did KK learn the jutsu from? Because that future has already been eliminated.
There's literally no reason to assume Shibai is even 2-C to begin with given the information we currently have. I'm not saying he can't be that high, or even higher, but based on what we have now? Nah.Nice to assume he's not far above 2C from what we've seen.
Yeah but that would be a bootstrap paradox would it not?KK would still retain the memories of the future that vanishes, he views them like narrative story beats
Yes but the old one vanishes. So basically the info about the jutsu effectively came from thin air.Boruto won’t “arrive” to that future
He arrives to a new one spawned from a change in Events
MCU follows MWI so it wouldn't have that issue. In Boruto, the way it's explained, possibilities vanish. So the source will eventually vanish. Causing a bootstrap paradox.Not necessarily because he's viewing a different Boruto's possible future, not the current Boruto's future that'll come to pass. At least that's how I sorta understood it. He's looking at different possibilities for the future (aka different timelines), not necessarily how their own future will play out.
Think of it like Doctor Strange viewing millions of possibilities during Infinity War, but most of them don't end up materializing within their own timeline.
it doesnt take much, Code downs a bottle everydayGuys Shibai solos Bleach