Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Nierre]

Don't agree with scaling Jura about FP Uzuhiko until we see more with Jura. Jura could be far faster than Boruto, or have abilities that circumvent Uzuhiko as a whole (Flight, for example).

(Although, I wouldn't be surprised that he does scale above FP Uzuhiko. For now though, I think we should wait)

 

[Samlex1234]

The one Arc calculated

The calculation ARC provided considers the kinetic energy of Earth’s spin around its axis over 24 hours and its orbit around the Sun over 365 days. These energies are constant and persistent and will remain present for billions of years to come. However based on arc calc, while Boruto can draw as much or as little energy as he wants from these sources, we encounter a key problem: if these energies are finite, then what happens when Boruto uses a significant portion of them in one fight?

To clarify with the numbers provided:

• Earth’s rotational kinetic energy (KE):2.138e29 J
• Earth’s orbital kinetic energy (KE):2.646e33

If Boruto used all of Earth’s rotational KE in a battle against Code, then logically, the rotational KE would be depleted. How, then, would Uzuhiko work in subsequent battles? For example, if Boruto later wanted to use part of the rotational energy in a fight against Hidari, where would that energy come from if he had already used it up in the previous fight? Similarly, if Boruto used half of the Earth’s orbital KE in one battle, he would only have the remaining half available for future uses. Hope you are seeing the logic. This creates a contradiction unless we accept the conclusion that the energy source for Uzuhiko is both constant and effectively limitless:

• Constant: The energy is always present, as planetary spin and orbit are ongoing processes.

• Limitless: The energy replenishes continuously, allowing Boruto to tap into it at any time without exhausting it.

Now, if we take the concept further:

• If Uzuhiko allows Boruto to draw orbital KE repeatedly, how much can he draw in total? Is there a cap e.g., half, the full orbital KE, or an absurd amount like 20x, 500x, or even 1 million times Earth’s orbital KE ()?

Thus, Without addressing these questions, any claim about the total energy Uzuhiko can access becomes invalid because it doesn’t align with the fundamental nature of the energy source.
Ultimately, the only plausible conclusion is that Uzuhiko taps into a perpetual and replenishable energy source, making it nearly limitless. If we don't accept this implication then we might as well throw the whole thing away.

 

[Samlex1234]

Jura should just scale above the Uzuhiko given that it's heavily implied Boruto has no chance against him. At least a likely rating I feel would be warranted when his profile exists

When you say maximum Uzuhiko what does that even mean?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Don't agree with scaling Jura about FP Uzuhiko until we see more with Jura. Jura could be far faster than Boruto, or have abilities that circumvent Uzuhiko as a whole (Flight, for example).

(Although, I wouldn't be surprised that he does scale above FP Uzuhiko. For now though, I think we should wait)

kinda funny to imagine boruto and sarada coming together to do a coop attack like naruto and sasuke to kill jura like done to juubito

and the jutsu ends up being the hyped up fp uzuhiko

 

[Samlex1234]

The calculation ARC provided considers the kinetic energy of Earth’s spin around its axis over 24 hours and its orbit around the Sun over 365 days. These energies are constant and persistent and will remain present for billions of years to come. However based on arc calc, while Boruto can draw as much or as little energy as he wants from these sources, we encounter a key problem: if these energies are finite, then what happens when Boruto uses a significant portion of them in one fight?

To clarify with the numbers provided:

• Earth’s rotational kinetic energy (KE):2.138e29 J
• Earth’s orbital kinetic energy (KE):2.646e33

If Boruto used all of Earth’s rotational KE in a battle against Code, then logically, the rotational KE would be depleted. How, then, would Uzuhiko work in subsequent battles? For example, if Boruto later wanted to use part of the rotational energy in a fight against Hidari, where would that energy come from if he had already used it up in the previous fight? Similarly, if Boruto used half of the Earth’s orbital KE in one battle, he would only have the remaining half available for future uses. Hope you are seeing the logic. This creates a contradiction unless we accept the conclusion that the energy source for Uzuhiko is both constant and effectively limitless:

• Constant: The energy is always present, as planetary spin and orbit are ongoing processes.

• Limitless: The energy replenishes continuously, allowing Boruto to tap into it at any time without exhausting it.

Now, if we take the concept further:

• If Uzuhiko allows Boruto to draw orbital KE repeatedly, how much can he draw in total? Is there a cap e.g., half, the full orbital KE, or an absurd amount like 20x, 500x, or even 1 million times Earth’s orbital KE ()?

Thus, Without addressing these questions, any claim about the total energy Uzuhiko can access becomes invalid because it doesn’t align with the fundamental nature of the energy source.
Ultimately, the only plausible conclusion is that Uzuhiko taps into a perpetual and replenishable energy source, making it nearly limitless. If we don't accept this implication then we might as well throw the whole thing away.

For anyone that doesn't want to read my long epistle. Quick summary,

This is the current calc for Maximum output for Uzhiko by Arc

Spiral Lad yield = 2.646e33 J

This energy is the orbital and Rotational KE energy that is generated over a Year however it is always constant. If we all agree that boruto can use this energy in his maximum output for Uzuhiko, what will he use for another Uzuhiko when he finishes this energy?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Jura can blitz and run circles around boruto before his eyes can register what the hell is happening that definitely is not gaining him any new ratings

we wont give characters spatial dura neg immunity if they were to be stated above shippuden kakashi, the same rule applies here

It's more than that tho, there's countless futures that Jura dog walks, so just by sheer probability, it is likely that in at least one of them, Jura tanks or clashes with a high charged Uzuhiko. And I'm sure Koji has considered stalling to allow Boruto to full charge, and if he thought that gave them good odds, he'd probably mention that.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

When you say maximum Uzuhiko what does that even mean?

My calc.

For anyone that doesn't want to read my long epistle. Quick summary,

This is the current calc for Maximum output for Uzhiko by Arc

Spiral Lad yield = 2.646e33 J

This energy is the orbital and Rotational KE energy that is generated over a Year however it is always constant. If we all agree that boruto can use this energy in his maximum output for Uzuhiko, what will he use for another Uzuhiko when he finishes this energy?

If you accept your interpretation, that means he must be using less than 10^33 joules by a significant amount.

 

[Samlex1234]

My calc.


If you accept your interpretation, that means he must be using less than 10^33 joules by a significant amount.

Then tell me how many of these is he able to use before he runs out? 6 times, 4 times or 2 times also when he runs out does that mean the Orbit and rotation of the earth are done?

Edit
By the way, I'm not the one who put the limit on how much energy he can draw, you did that. You told us the limit is 10^33 joules.

So I'm asking when he draws out this energy for a maximum Uzuhiko, where will he get the energy for the next Uzuhiko from? Or is it done is that the end of Uzuhiko, does he have to wait another year (hopefully the planet will not be in the sun by then)?

 

[Godernet]

When you say maximum Uzuhiko what does that even mean?

Pretty sure he's just talking about Uzuhiko at Full Power, which Bort just calls Maximum Output

 

[Samlex1234]

Pretty sure he's just talking about Uzuhiko at Full Power, which Bort just calls Maximum Output

I know this, my question is what exactly is the maximum output of Uzuhiko?

Edit
If you say the full power is 10^33 joule, then the follow-up question would be why? Is it because Boruto exhausted the KE, and how long would he have to wait again to use Uzuhiko again ?

 

[Godernet]

I know this, my question is what exactly is the maximum output of Uzuhiko?

there is no definitive answer to that rn

Arc's calc gave us a value for Uzuhiko in general that utilized what we currently know Uzuhiko is based on (centrifugal and rotational force) to assign it a value (600 Zettatons).

Edit
If you say the full power is 10^33 joule, then the follow-up question would be why? Is it because Boruto exhausted the KE, and how long would he have to wait again to use Uzuhiko again ?

The site usually doesn't grant charitability if there's no sound logic that beats out the other interpretations, for the sake of indexing, that value was assigned to Uzuhiko at its strongest, aka Maximum Output Uzuhiko.

This was partially due to where we currently scale the characters and based on our current understanding of Uzuhiko, in that it's only comprised of Boruto's chakra + the Planet's rotational and centrifugal energy, meaning that its highest output being at least the full yield of said energy is probably the least assumptive and most consistent route to take until more information is presented, barring arguments like "Uzuhiko doesn't use the planet chakra in its AP", which ends up being a completely different topic from just assigning a value to a jutsu.

If we get more information that makes it seem like Uzuhiko is much more than what we were initially told, then we'll just update accordingly.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

It's kinda crazy how important this statement is for scaling but no one seems to talk about it

 

[Nierre]

It's kinda crazy how important this statement is for scaling but no one seems to talk about it

how relevant would this be in scaling

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Uzuhiko tethers the opponent to that rotational energy. Boruto doesn’t steal it. That’s antithetical to his entire character, where he’s trying to find ways to fight against people who steal energy from the planet. So he’s not taking away from the planet to empower his own attacks, he’s basically enabling the planet to “punch” the enemy. He directs that energy at the opponent without stealing from the planet. He shares with and helps the planet fight back, the villains take from the planet and give nothing.

Net actually pioneered this take and gave a much better explanation in one of my Uzuhiko threads.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

how relevant would this be in scaling

Basically means that summons are always gonna be relevant no matter how strong you get cause you can amp your summons and that generally users will somewhat scale to their summons (with exceptions). There's also the fact that it makes some strange feats make more sense like the Rashomon Gates that redirected a Nine Tails Bijuudama being dented by P1 Kiba, Nagato's summons being able to combat KCM Naruto, and Gamabunta being able to temporarily restrain Kurama.