Naruto Major Overhaul Part 2: Battle Tendency

[M3X_2.0]

Introduction​

This thread is the second part of my Naruto Major Overhaul, wich consist in profile formatting and keys fixing, scaling fixing and miscellaneous (better justification, adding scans, adding gallery pics, and more stuff)

Calculations being used​

Kisame's Water Style

Sage Mode Naruto's Rasenshuriken

Sage Mode Naruto's Odama Rasenshuriken

Scaling​

Kisame's Water Style​

Kisame performed this feat, which was calced at 7-A (232 megatons). This would scale to the likes of

• Jiraiya (Kisame wasn’t sure if he could even take him on, even stating that Jiraiya was in an different league from him)
• Tsunade (Stronger than her weakened self from the Search for Tsunade arc, who was able to draw blood from a weakened Orochimaru)
• Weakened Orochimaru (Could stagger KN4 Naruto with a punch. Kept up with a weakened Jiraiya)
• Rusty Tsunade (Could draw blood from a weakened Orochimaru)
• KN4 Naruto (Nearly killed Jiraiya)
• Pain Arc and onwards base Naruto (Stated to surpass Jiraiya. Restrained Kakashi and clashed evenly with Taka Sasuke)
• Taka Sasuke (Clashed evenly with a poisoned Naruto while being weakened and drained of chakra himself)
• Killer B (Overpowered Taka Sasuke. He was also capable of harming Kisame with his sword strikes and Raiton enhanced pencils. Matched Kisame’s headbutt)
• Suigetsu (Blocked a strike from Killer B that was meant to kill Sasuke)
• Jūgo (Traded blows with Suigetsu)
• Hebi Sasuke (Effortlessly restrained Suigetsu and Jūgo. Casually disabled Naruto and Sai at the same time, and could harm Deidara)
  • CS2 Sasuke (Ten times stronger than his CS1 state) - High 7-A (2.32 gigatons)
• Part II Itachi (Clashed with CS1 Sasuke’s Katons, but was ultimately overpowered)
  • His 30% clone was able to casually block Kakashi’s punch, and Kakashi believed that he couldn’t take Itachi on by himself)
• Tobi (Casually blocked a sword strike from Suigetsu with his bare hands)
• Konan (She was capable of mortally wounding Tobi and ripping off his arm)

His 30% clone would become 7-B+ (69.6 megatons), and Itachi’s clone would be the same. This scales to:

• KN0 Naruto (Was able to defeat 30% Itachi with a Rasengan)
• Deidara (Withstood a punch from KN0 Naruto with little damage, and defeated Gaara while being implied to have been holding back)
  • His stronger bombs, which could harm CS2 Sasuke, would be High 7-A.
• Gaara (Crushed Deidara’s arm with his sand)
• Sasori (Stated to be stronger than Deidara, and wields the Third Kazekage that should be stronger than Gaara. Could harm Sakura)
• Sakura (Naruto and Kakashi were frightened by her physical strength. She also shattered all of Sasori's strongest puppets, with Sasori being stated to be superior to Deidara)

Neji was able to break out of a water prison from one of 30% Kisame’s water clones and later defeat the clones themselves, and water clones are half as strong as the original, if there's only one. Three clones make it 1/3 of the original 30%. This would put Neji at 7-B (23.2 megatons).

According to Danzō, Naruto is stronger than his peers, which would therefore make him stronger than Neji, and put him at 7-B (23.2 megatons) in base. This scales to:

• Kakashi (Should be stronger than Naruto, since he could hold him and Sakura off for an extended period of time)
• Chiyo (Traded blows with Naruto. Could fight Sasori alongside Sakura)
• Hanzō (Fought against Chiyo in her prime)
• Sai (Effortlessly blocked a strike from Naruto, and was also stated to surpass his peers)
• Hidan (Traded blows with Kakashi)
• Kakuzu (Fought and even overpowered Kakashi. Could easily take out Naruto’s shadow clones)
• Pre-War Bijuu (Matatabi could overpower Kakuzu with some effort)
• Asuma (Matched Hidan in their fight, and decapitated him. He should also be somewhat comparable to Kakashi, as he is said to be the best close quarters combatant in Konoha)
• Shikamaru (Could restrain Hidan and Kakuzu) - Scales only to his Shadow Possession

Due to CS2 Sasuke being High 7-A (2.32 gigatons), a few characters would also be affected.

• Konoha Crush Orochimaru (Sasuke was only able to defeat him because he was weakened. Superior to his weakened state)
• Part I Itachi (Superior to Kisame, as he thought Itachi had a chance against Jiraiya while he didn’t. Superior to Orochimaru)
• Hiruzen (While inferior, he could fight with Orochimaru)
• Minato (Stated to be capable of defeating Orochimaru)
• Guruguru Zetsu (Matched Hiruzen's Jutsu with his own)
• Base A (Shattered Guruguru's Mokuton with a punch and fought it with the rest of the Kage for an extended period of time. Took less damage from the Ethereal Transmission Jutsu than base Tsunade)

Sage Mode Naruto's Rasenshuriken, Pain's Shinra Tensei and Six Tails Biju Bomb​

The High 7-A scaling:

• Naruto:
  • Sage Mode Naruto (His Rasenshuriken is this strong. Can withstand Shinra Tensei from Tendo Pain, which was capable of dissipating his RS. He can also harm Pain with his strikes, and Pain was capable of withstanding his own ST when reflected back at him by KN6 Naruto)
  • Six-Tailed Naruto (His TBB is this strong, and he was able to withstand it. He also withstood and reflected Pain's Shinra Tensei back at him)
  • KCM Naruto (Stated to be stronger than his Sage Mode that fought Pain)
  • Kurama Mode Naruto (Much stronger than his KCM self)
• Nagato (He is much more powerful than the Six Paths of Pain, and was capable of restraining and overpowering KCM Naruto)
  • Pain:
    • Deva Path (Can dissipate Naruto's RS with a casual Shinra Tensei. Can withstand the recoil of his own ST when it was reflected back at him by KN6 Naruto. He could also partially withstand KN6's TBB)
    • Asura Path (Ripped off Sage Mode Jiraiya's arm with one strike. Could easily stab Kakashi's Raiton clone and survived his Raikiri, which was a threat to the Deva Path)
    • Preta Path, Human Path, and Animal Path (The combined might of those three was enough to potentially kill Sage Mode Jiraiya, and they exchanged blows with him)
• Edo Itachi (Can trade blows with KCM Naruto, and his Susano'o easily ripped off Nagato's arms)
• Rinnegan Obito (Can overpower KCM Naruto. Tanked a Rasengan and headbutt from both KCM and Kurama Mode Naruto respectively)
• War Arc Kakashi (Fought equally against Obito and can damage him with his punches. Fought against V2 Jinchurikis and could withstand an attack from them)
• 6th Gate Guy (Could fight against the V2 Jinchuuriki)
• Base/Edo Utakata (Can harm KCM Naruto)
• Base/Edo Han (Han clash with KCM Naruto and Partially Transformed B, with Naruto complimenting Han’s power. Han kicks Naruto and sends him flying with enough force to push him and B back)
• Hoshi (LCM Rōshi burns KCM Naruto’s cheek. LCM Rōshi burns KCM again)
• Yugito (Yugito clash with KCM Naruto and Partially Transformed B)
• All of the V2 Jinchuuriki
  • Gyūki confirms that the Edo Jinchūriki have their powers enhanced.
  • The partially transformed jinchūriki are rendered unconscious by Gyūki’s Eight Tail Bijuu Twister.
  • The V2 jinchūriki harm KCM and Gyūki.
  • The V2 jinchūriki knock Kakashi and Sixth Gate Guy back.

Sage Mode Naruto's Odama Rasenshuriken (Alternative 1)​

Sage Mode Naruto's Odama RS has a High 7-A feat, calculated as 2.308 Gigatons. Those who scales are:

• Edo Madara (Took the Rasenshuriken without any damage)
  • His Susano'o, doesn't matter the level of it, is always superior to Madara's own durability
• Hashirama (Can fight equally against Madara and even defeat him. Much superior to Tobirama)
• Kyubi Chakra Mode 2 Naruto (Much stronger than his Sage Mode form and his KCM 1. His attacks should be also stronger than with Sage Mode)
• KCM2 Minato (Equal to KCM2 Naruto, as he has the other half of Kurama)
• Byakugou Tsunade (Broke Madara's Susano'o more than once and made a hole in his body. Stronger than A)
• Lightning Armor Ay (At full power, he can kill KCM Naruto)
  • Amped by Onoki (Can crack Madara's Susano'o)
• Mei (Can melt Madara's Susano'o ribcage and match his Katons)
• Byakugou Sakura (Comparable to, if not stronger than KCM Naruto. Her strength might surpass Tsunade’s)
• Tobirama (Madara implied that he only had the edge over Tobirama because he was weakened by the Edo Tensei. Far stronger than Orochimaru and EMS Sasuke, as both were visibly nervous by him simply raising a finger)
• V2 Kinkaku and Ginkaku (Were able to kill Tobirama alongside the Kinkaku Force. Upon learning of their reanimation, A believed that he would need to join the battle himself)
• War Arc Gaara (Could deflect hits from Madara’s Susano’o and blocked Madara’s Yasaka Magatama with the help of Ōnoki. Could hold back the chains of the Gedō Mazō)
• Ōnoki (Defended the Raikage from several Susano’o at once and blocked Madara’s Yasaka Magatama with the help of Gaara)
• 7th Gate Guy (One-shot Kisame and overpowered his most powerful attack. Sent Madara flying with a Hirudora)

War Arc Biju and Biju Bombs​

Characters who scale to the 6-C rating, from the Biju Bombs.

• Five Tails (The Five-Tails draws blood from Gyūki and sends him flying. The Five-Tails takes a hit from Gyūki)
• Four Tails (The Four-Tails slams Gyūki and has a prolonged struggle with KCM Naruto)
• Nine Tails (Displayed superiority in relation to the others Biju)
• Eight Tails (Hold a Biju Dama from Kurama with its hands)

Scaling to the Bijuu (Alternative 2)​

KCM2 Naruto was able to casually batter away Bijuudama from five of the Bijuu, and he should be stronger than his KN8 state. Therefore, he and those that scale to him should be 6-C. This would include:

• Madara (Casually blocked KCM2 Naruto’s miniature Bijuudama and withstood the recoil of its reflection)
  • Sage Mode Madara (Ten times stronger than his base form) - 26.11 gigatons x 10 = 261.1 gigatons/Large Island level
• Hashirama
  • Sage Mode Hashirama (Ten times stronger than his base form) - 26.11 gigatons x 10 = 261.1 gigatons/Large Island level
• Tobirama
• KCM2 Minato
• Byakugō Tsunade
• Raiton Armor A
• Mei
• War Arc Gaara
• Ōnoki
• Byakugō Sakura (Her strength might surpass Tsunade) - ‘At least High 7-A, possibly 6-C’
• V2 Kinkaku and Ginkaku
• Seventh Gate Guy

Credits: @UchihaSlayer96, @LordTracer and obviously me.

 

[Jvando]

I already read it in the discord so you know I agree. I especially love how you finally got a legitimate tier and justification for Base Naruto

 

[M3X_2.0]

I already read it in the discord so you know I agree. I especially love how you finally got a legitimate tier and justification for Base Naruto

Tracer found it, he is our savior.

 

[Rocker1189]

I agree with this too tired to say much more.

 

[LordTracer]

I brought this up on Discord recently, and I just didn’t get around to adding it, but SM Naruto and Pain should probably be High 7-A+, since SM Jiraiya would end up at 2.32 gigatons, only 1.1x away from 2.65 gigatons/High 7-A+.

That would also make 6-C KCM2 more consistent.

 

[LordTracer]

And @Wrath_Of_Itachi brought this up recently, Obito could be High 7-A due to surviving Minato’s Rasengan, and Konan scales due to damaging him much more than Minato did.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Rinnegan Obito had KCM2 Naruto's Rasengan Blow Up inside of him and Smashed into his face and he was fine. He should 6-C scaling to him.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Question, Since Base Jiraiya scales to 232 Megatons and Sage Mode is a 10x Multiplier, wouldn't that make his Sage Mode 2.32 Gigatons and therefore stronger than Naruto's Rasenshuriken? Doesn't that create issues

 

[BlackeJan]

KCM2 Naruro be 6C+ since he casually swatted away the TBB

 

[M3X_2.0]

KCM2 Naruro be 6C+ since he casually swatted away the TBB

6-C only.

 

[LordTracer]

Question, Since Base Jiraiya scales to 232 Megatons and Sage Mode is a 10x Multiplier, wouldn't that make his Sage Mode 2.32 Gigatons and therefore stronger than Naruto's Rasenshuriken? Doesn't that create issues

Nah, cause Pain Arc Naruto scales above Jiraiya.

 

[M3X_2.0]

The 6-C is an alternative. It'd make Obito as 6-C, and then Kakashi and Guy. Guy said he'd need to use 8 Gate to save them from the Biju Bombs, Kakashi said he'd need to force Kamui to BFR them. And I disagree with this scaling.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Can we at least agree that KCM2 Naruto should be stronger than his 8 Tailed Transformation?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

A lot of this does look pretty good and IMO it checks out for the most part, but there is one scaling in particular that seems flawed to me

• Pain Arc and onwards base Naruto (Stated to surpass Jiraiya. Restrained Kakashi and clashed evenly with Taka Sasuke)

That statement of Naruto surpassing Jiraiya is more than likely referring to Sage Mode Naruto, not Base Naruto, and IIRC, Taka Sasuke was severely nerfed due to being near blind and fighting the kage back to back and using a shit ton of chakra

So what's up with that?

 

[KingTempest]

and IIRC, Taka Sasuke was severely nerfed due to being near blind and fighting the kage back to back and using a shit ton of chakra

Karin healed Sasuke and replenished his chakra right before the end of his Danzo fight, and Dojutsu doesn't affect AP. Plus Naruto was poisoned too.

Good job @M3X

 

[LordTracer]

That statement of Naruto surpassing Jiraiya is more than likely referring to Sage Mode Naruto, not Base Naruto

Their Sage Modes have the same multiplier, so it wouldn’t make a difference.

Taka Sasuke was severely nerfed due to being near blind and fighting the kage back to back and using a shit ton of chakra

Sasuke was weakened, but Naruto was poisoned as well.

 

[BlackeJan]

6-C only.

Yeah I messed up on that

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Karin healed Sasuke and replenished his chakra right before the end of his Danzo fight, and Dojutsu doesn't affect AP. Plus Naruto was poisoned too.

Their Sage Modes have the same multiplier, so it wouldn’t make a difference.

Sasuke was weakened, but Naruto was poisoned as well.

Hmmm, ok then, I guess this all looks good and I'm glad to see Part II Naruto finally get revised

Now I'm just gonna sit and wait here with my popcorn if a shit storm goes down

 

[BlackeJan]

So....SM Naruto beat the crap out of Pein but when both are fatigued, they are comparable physically

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Can we at least agree that KCM2 Naruto should be stronger than his 8 Tailed Transformation?

^^

 

[M3X_2.0]

I can agree with Obito being High 7-A all along, since he took a rasengan from Minato and lived.

 

[BlastX]

Having been on Discord too and saw this, gotta say i agree.

BTW It's a minor thing but during the clash with Sasuke Naruto was also poisoned by that Kunai Sakura brought and Sasuke slashed Naruto with, so that Naruto also wasn't at full power.

EDIT:Ninjaed

 

[joshpiece]

Fully agree with the scaling, Great job to the three of y’all who worked on this.

 

[M3X_2.0]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/naruto-major-overhaul-part-1-phantom-blood.114023/

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Shouldn’t Base Naruto have 2 keys? He did get stronger (Post FRS Training) then he was BoS

Already has 3 ya mrk

Check the profiles once and in a while

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

My thoughts are more or less the same as DemonGodMitchAubin's.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Jugo should get a 10x multiplier for his Full Curse mark since the Curse Mark was a product of the enzymes of his body.

 

[JayXLotus]

Jugo should get a 10x multiplier for his Full Curse mark since the Curse Mark was a product of the enzymes of his body.

Anyone who actually doesnt think Jugo gets a 10x amp with Curse Mark even tho ALL of them came from Jugo are mentally inept and should not be debating Naruto

 

[Omimi]

Rinnegan Obito had KCM2 Naruto's Rasengan Blow Up inside of him and Smashed into his face and he was fine. He should 6-C scaling to him.

It was kcm1 no?

 

[RanaProGamer]

Also, 2 more characters that should be upgraded to 7-A:

Darui: (Fought against Suiegetsu).

Base Kinkaku and Ginkaku: (Fought against Darui)

 

[LordTracer]

Also, 2 more characters that should be upgraded to 7-A:

Darui: (Fought against Suiegetsu).

Base Kinkaku and Ginkaku: (Fought against Darui)

Yeah, there’s some characters that we didn’t include in the list in the OP. but Darui, Samui, and base Kinkaku/Ginkaku would all be 7-A.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

IS Rusty Tsunade Part 1 Tsunade?

Just so you know I'm very much against the Idea of Backscaling Part 2 characters to Part 1 for the same reason We don't scale War Arc Tailed Beast to their earlier appearances to avoid stuff like 6-C Hidan and Shikamaru.

Other than that I agree.

 

[Damage3245]

Konoha Crush Orochimaru (Sasuke was only able to defeat him because he was weakened. Superior to his weakened state)

Suigetsu doesn't exactly say that it is because he is weakened, but because he lost the use of his arms (and therefore his Ninjutsu).

Would the addition of his arms really be an increase of 2088 Megatons from his previous rating of 232 Megatons? That seems like a pretty big jump.

This is also only Suigetsu's opinion; somebody who wasn't there to witness the fight.

So it doesn't seem to me like Orochimaru should be scaling to CS2 Sasuke.

 

[LordTracer]

IS Rusty Tsunade Part 1 Tsunade?

Kinda, it’s specifically the Search for Tsunade Arc since she’s noted to be out of her prime.

It should also be noted that in that arc, she would be something like ‘At least 7-C, possibly 7-A,’ and weakened Orochimaru would be the same thing.

This is also only Suigetsu's opinion; somebody who wasn't there to witness the fight.

So it doesn't seem to me like Orochimaru should be scaling to CS2 Sasuke.

Sasuke himself also states that he only won due to Orochimaru’s illness, I’ll see if I can find his statement.

 

[KingTempest]

Question

Scaling to the Bijuu (Alternative 2)​

KCM2 Naruto was able to casually batter away Bijuudama from five of the Bijuu, and he should be stronger than his KN8 state. Therefore, he and those that scale to him should be 6-C. This would include:

Did you find the yield of 1 Bijuudama and multiply it by 5 or are you just upscaling from High 7-A?

 

[LordTracer]

The Bijuudama weren’t combined, so we can’t multiply them by five there. It’s just scaling him above the value of one (and sorta upscaling, the High 7-A lower tiers makes 6-C more consistent).

 

[KingTempest]

I thought we weren't scaling non exploded bijuudama to exploded Bijuudama

 

[LordTracer]

We’re scaling them above the Bijuu’s physicals, iirc.

 

[KingTempest]

Those same Bijuu smacked around the first person on that list, Madara. Idk about that

 

[LordTracer]

Shukaku poked some holes in him (which Madara stating that it was lacking in power) and Madara only got a bloody lip from the 2-7 Tails smacking him around. It’s fine.