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I have no idea why so many arguments are based on incredulity.
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the issue is that one civilian guy saying he did it with air pressure/current, but then the anime showing he did it with the sheer spin power of his punch. Also doesn't help that the manga doesn't even show the sky, it just starts raining.People are still trying to deny the fact that All Might brought in storm clouds thanks to his vortex. It amazes me that with all of the evidence suggesting that he bring them in, people are still trying to refute it.
Why am I not surprised?
Bruh moment.People are still trying to deny the fact that All Might brought in storm clouds thanks to his vortex. It amazes me that with all of the evidence suggesting that he bring them in, people are still trying to refute it.
Why am I not surprised?
Fair enough, but if you ask me? The anime is pretty reliable at times and mostly stays true to the manga. Should be fine to use it if it contradicts nothing.the issue is that one civilian guy saying he did it with air pressure/current, but then the anime showing he did it with the sheer spin power of his punch. Also doesn't help that the manga doesn't even show the sky, it just starts raining.
First of all, he could've created a vortex that brings in the clouds. There are multiple ways this could've been done honestly. We just don't know-how. It could've been done through CAPE, although this feat is irrelevant. This is an entirely different feat than the one we saw in the manga, so it should not be used to decide how exactly he did it in chapter one.It was stated that All Might changed the weather of a desert region in the past, which means he created a storm without any nearby cumulonimbus clouds to pull from.
That is why I think this interpretation of how he created the storm is more accurate.
Even if we would say this feat is around the 5-20 Megaton range, it would be classified as an outlier by all of the other feats I've calculated. It wouldn't make sense for Weakened All Might to be dozens of times stronger than Wounded All Might, after all. And who said this was All Might's strongest feat?So All Might's strongest and most amazing feat in the manga being vastly inferior to the feats from the movies wouldn't cause any inconsistencies?
Oh boy, here we go.So All Might's strongest and most amazing feat in the manga being vastly inferior to the feats from the movies wouldn't create any problems?
The person who does MHA backgrounds is very bad. Like, really bad. Like, horrendous. In that same scene, the area around the crowd just grows darker, with no actual shadow changes on any of the characters present. The sunlight hitting each character is the exact same despite the clouds he made/pulled blocking out the sun from multiple angles in seconds. If we're going by CAPE, wouldn't he have blocked the sun out FIRST, since that would be the point of origin for he air pressure he punched up there? That entire first scene of the sky growing darker is weird af.Also, there is a scene in the anime where the sky is reflected in a window, and it just turn dark, we don't see any clouds moving.
So how does that work? He created a tornado, which sent a bunch of air into the sky that formed clouds out to the horizon in literal seconds, on top of his tornado somehow still spinning up there in order to create an eye through the clouds? And if its not still spinning somehow, why, when the anime goes to the sky, is there an eye in the clouds if he just made all those clouds from the air currents, not from pulling them in? Either the anime changed the feat entirely because Horikoshi didn't show literally anything about the feat other than "punch, air current, it is now raining," or its not CAPE. I don't know numbers very well, but the series of events that needs to take place, at least for the anime, for this to be CAPE seems very strange.The vortex in the sky could well be created by the tornado that All Might formed, or just something exclusively from the anime.
During the USJ Attack, Deku states this feat was performed with 100% of All Might's power, so yeah, that's All Might's strongest feat in the manga.Even if we would say this feat is around the 5-20 Megaton range, it would be classified as an outlier by all of the other feats I've calculated. It wouldn't make sense for Weakened All Might to be dozens of times stronger than Wounded All Might, after all. And who said this was All Might's strongest feat?
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, actually. Are you agreeing that the background is weird for the anime in this scene? So ignoring it is a thing that's allowed?@Kingofwolves999 If we're okay with ignoring the background of a scene to calculate this feat, then go ahead with the revision, it's not the first time we've done it after all.
I wasn't being sarcastic, we ignored the background of Deku's tornado feat, so All Might's case would be no different.I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, actually. Are you agreeing that the background is weird for the anime in this scene? So ignoring it is a thing that's allowed?
That just feels self-defeating. So far, this is the only feat that can be called directly contradictory to the manga. Every other feat, plotline, character, story element, etc. have been basically 1:1, including movie characters and Horikoshi's own statements. Besides, even if we separated the profiles, both would still use movie feats, so the problem isn't even solved unless you're suggesting we create our own anime/movie only canon, that has no basis for existing other than both are animated.IMO the way to satisfy everyone is to make manga profiles and anime/movie profiles if the differences prove to be great enough in their portrayal.
Deku at this point in the series is making an educated guess, I think it would be really weird to take a statement made by someone who barely understands the power as gospel.During the USJ Attack, Deku states this feat was performed with 100% of All Might's power, so yeah, that's All Might's strongest feat in the manga.
I use Gun. Gun beats everything.At this point lets just decide through Rock, Paper, Scissors tbh.
The whole point of hypothetically separating the profiles is so that hypothetically they both won't be using movie feats. only one of them would.That just feels self-defeating. So far, this is the only feat that can be called directly contradictory to the manga. Every other feat, plotline, character, story element, etc. have been basically 1:1, including movie characters and Horikoshi's own statements. Besides, even if we separated the profiles, both would still use movie feats, so the problem isn't even solved unless you're suggesting we create our own anime/movie only canon, that has no basis for existing other than both are animated.
The only movie that would be canon to the anime would be Two Heroes, because it specifically has an anime episode dedicated to it. It otherwise features no other references to the movies (yet), unlike Horikoshi's constant claims that his manga connects to all the movies.The whole point of hypothetically separating the profiles is so that hypothetically they both won't be using movie feats. only one of them would.
Time to introduce the levels to which this doesn't make sense.During the USJ Attack, Deku states this feat was performed with 100% of All Might's power, so yeah, that's All Might's strongest feat in the manga.
What could be considered an outlier or not depends entirely on the person you ask, but I have to remind you that the feats you calculated come from the movies, which tend to exaggerate things quite a bit compared to the manga, and that All Might's feat should take priority for coming from the official source.
@Kingofwolves999 If we're okay with ignoring the background of a scene to calculate this feat, then go ahead with the revision, it's not the first time we've done it after all.
That would only work if both the movie/anime are completely non-canon to the manga, and they aren't. Some of the feats in the movies/anime, whether you like it or not are consistent until proven otherwise.The whole point of hypothetically separating the profiles is so that hypothetically they both won't be using movie feats. only one of them would.
It's an argument from semantics, an aggravating one as well, but Horikoshi can only speak for his own creation. I don't recall someone at Bones ever claiming the movies are canon to the anime outside the first one. So in a theoretical split, the movie feats would fully go to the manga, not the anime.
I was speaking more generally I suppose, I'm not exactly well versed in how splits on profiles happen for the wiki.Actually a theoretical split can be whatever we want it to be.
I'm obviously only speaking about my own preferences here. I don't expect everyone to go along with them.
I think you just need to get your calcs accepted first. We can worry for the scaling and arguments for them later.Also, considering we're debating on whether or not my calculations are valid or not? We should probably reopen my CRT and take this debate there. Any objections?
Alright then.I think you just need to get your calcs accepted first. We can worry for the scaling and arguments for them later.
Make sure to contact the calc group discussion board. Ant says that on every calc, so it probably speeds up the process.
I forgot to include that in, so thanks for reminding me. I'll start making a list I guess.By the way, when the time comes for the thread to restart, your proposals should be updated to reflect every profile that will need to be changed as a result of this.
That's also why I said "if the differences prove to be great enough in their portrayal". If it's not beneficial, then we don't do it.I think it's entirely possible to split up profiles based on different mediums even if they are equally canon, however, I'm not sure how beneficial that would be for MHA considering the Inconsistencies between the two are very rare and would be solely there to fix a problem that seems to come from the manga being unclear as oppose to contradicting the anime, this is without taking into consideration that movies would likely be canon for both mediums anyway.
A lot of people in the MHA fandom still considers the movies as "self-contained canon" meaning they are considered as canon supposedly by Horikoshi and is subtly referenced in the manga, but the major events and major characters in said movies are never actually mentioned explicitly in the main canon. Thus whether or not they're as canon as, say, the Mugen Train movie of Demon Slayer, is questionable to say the least.I think it's entirely possible to split up profiles based on different mediums even if they are equally canon, however, I'm not sure how beneficial that would be for MHA considering the Inconsistencies between the two are very rare and would be solely there to fix a problem that seems to come from the manga being unclear as oppose to contradicting the anime, this is without taking into consideration that movies would likely be canon for both mediums anyway.