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While true, that does mean she does have to react to her opponent in combat and seeing into the many possible futures which honestly is hax while she is fighting.
Not that I actually supporting infinite reaction speed.
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Not that I actually supporting infinite reaction speed.
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Yeah although this is later on in the story of Shimosa and only two swordmasters duking it out so I doubt the feat will been replicated again as this is a Alive Musashi vs Sasaki.
(Don’t remember if this was Alive Sasaki or dead Sasaki though as Shimosa has been a few years or so.)
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Well, it's stated transcend time, also gods and buddha transcend time as users of immeasurable speed cannot be avoid the skill
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Musashi and kojiro
Immeasurable speed : crimson agreed, and it seems that everyone is fine
Musashi
Analytical prediction : some people are fine at it and some people approve it as information analysis, so maybe it can be analytical prediction and information analysis (but this is still debatable)
Resistance to analytical prediction for yagyu. lordginsama, newendigo and creaturemaster disagree
Power mimicry : everyone is fine
Precognition and cosmic awareness : everyone is fine
Unholy manipulation : everyone is fine
Kojiro
Resistance to information analysis : everyone is fine
Muramasa
Matter manipulation : it seems that many people disagree
Immeasurable speed : crimson agreed, and it seems that everyone is fine
Musashi
Analytical prediction : some people are fine at it and some people approve it as information analysis, so maybe it can be analytical prediction and information analysis (but this is still debatable)
Resistance to analytical prediction for yagyu. lordginsama, newendigo and creaturemaster disagree
Power mimicry : everyone is fine
Precognition and cosmic awareness : everyone is fine
Unholy manipulation : everyone is fine
Kojiro
Resistance to information analysis : everyone is fine
Muramasa
Matter manipulation : it seems that many people disagree
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Okay. Can somebody explain the arguments for immeasurable speed please?
Also:
@DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa
Would you be willing to help evaluate it please?
Also:
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Would you be willing to help evaluate it please?
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I recall last time I was called for an Immeasurable speed upgrade, it was due to a feat where someone can casually hop back and forth between the pages of time and space and have done so while they were fighting
And this analysis looks more or less find looking through above.
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yeah, immeasurable speed nasuverse comes from the feats of seeing the 3D world (past, present, future) as a book/flat fabric therefore they can go to a different time just at sheer speed
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maybe crimson will add it, because I'm not good at using grammar and editing
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I believe these two come from a different event in Nasuverse, so it wouldn't really apply to these two characters.
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I mean it's for the gods, Musashi and kojiro it was stated explicitly that their skills were unavoidable by the gods as well as supported by the statement that they transcend time, space, existence and non-existence.
And crimson was agree for this
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Ah yes, fair enough
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Also Gilgamesh should not have Tsumagari Muramasa. It's specific to Muramasa himself and required a fusion of Unlimited Blade Works, so Gil lacks the means to obtain it.
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I've added the accepted revisions to the pages.
You should make a CRT for that.
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Grrrr but making CRTs is boring
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I am a bit late but Immeasurable speed seems fine from the point above.
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I think it's been accepted as a prototype, and all Muramasa swords are shown to cut bonds, certainty and karma.
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Seems about right although I want to point out the Immeasurable speed is only possible due to being in this realm and when two sword masters at their peak dueling ie. It is very very situational as we don’t know if the feat can been replicated again with another person that ain’t a master of the swords and so on.
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That feat you speak of is from Fate Extra CCC. The one with BB in it.
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In regards to this, we don’t have confirmation if Gil having the same sword we saw deployed in Shimosa by Muramasa as that goes into the unknown territory if memories served me right.
At best, it is a possibility that he may or may not have the prototype for it.
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Scaling… I find it more like a mess in my personal opinion since these two feats/statements that came from two different games.
One from Fate Extra CCC and the other one being F/GO.
Also again if you haven’t noticed, I like to emphasize on this, we talking about two swordmasters duking it out in a realm caused by their fighting with the infinity clashing with zero kind of thing.
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Also if they transcend space, time and so on would that not in turn make them like tier 1? Also can I get the quote of them surpassing space and time?
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It was in the op for this matter.
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it's not enough to make it tier 1, so far it's still unknown
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Problem with this is that Muramasa craft the sword in Shimosa in order to counter Amakusa’s Reality Marble and while I am aware of that statement. If memories served me right, that statement was before F/GO, but I digress on the matter since this is not the thread for it.
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Okay yeah I can see where your coming from especially with that last quote.
Also is this not a result of Musashi's Fate hax?
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No, it is a result of two swordmasters duking it out with the concept of Infinity vs Zero.
Sasaki was stated to have the sword of infinity meanwhile Female Musashi was stated to reached zero IIRC.
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better make a CRT, this thread is enough up here
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To summarize my thoughts regarding Immeasurable Speed for Musashi and Sasaki:
The main reason why they were able to reach this realm is because it was purely caused by two people who mastered their swordmanship to the highest level possible, even the scans mentioned the powers and techniques being equally matched ie. It was a stalemate.
One of them having to achieved infinity while the other achieved zero as fruits of their labor ie. It was purely skill and hax that allows them to achieve this feat.
Also, no, it is unknown since I don’t think it qualifies for Tier 1 for that matter.
The main reason why they were able to reach this realm is because it was purely caused by two people who mastered their swordmanship to the highest level possible, even the scans mentioned the powers and techniques being equally matched ie. It was a stalemate.
One of them having to achieved infinity while the other achieved zero as fruits of their labor ie. It was purely skill and hax that allows them to achieve this feat.
Also, no, it is unknown since I don’t think it qualifies for Tier 1 for that matter.
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I mean this thread is mostly resolved and the only thing to do is apply it although I will recommend doing a note on Musashi’s and Sasaki’s page regarding this feat of theirs as it only scales to them I will think as well mentioned it is rather super situational as I don’t recall a time it happen again since Musashi is unable to achieve immeasurable speed by herself.
Edit: I will think about doing a CRT for that particular matter.
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The whole idea that Musashi can't reach Immeasurable speed by herself doesn't make much sense when the use of Zero is what allows her to reach that extent of existence, Zero being a state she can't maintain as she would be kicked out of the parallel world.
It is also stated that their skills had already gone beyond space-time and reality and surpassed the laws of space-time before Musashi and Kojiro reached the Void they stayed in, that Void is only part of the argument for Immeasurable.
It's also worth mentioning that the times Musashi did use Zero after Shimosa was against tier 1 characters with Immeasurable reaction/combat speed, and both times she was very effective against them.
It is also stated that their skills had already gone beyond space-time and reality and surpassed the laws of space-time before Musashi and Kojiro reached the Void they stayed in, that Void is only part of the argument for Immeasurable.
It's also worth mentioning that the times Musashi did use Zero after Shimosa was against tier 1 characters with Immeasurable reaction/combat speed, and both times she was very effective against them.
It's likely. I wanna wait until LB5 comes to NA so I can see Musashi's last big feat at least.
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Wait, how effective was the Zero against the Tier 1 enemies was again?
I thought she struggled with the respective Tier 1 characters in question rather than outright being that effective.
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She cut off Lostbelt King Ivan's tusk off before he had gotten significantly debuffed, keep in mind this was a single strike while in Zero, since Musashi could only maintain it for a instant at that point.
Shimosa mentions that Zero Musashi and Infinity Kojiro could kill the Buddha.
Lostbelt 5.2 apperently has Musashi fight the Greek Gods, but I obviously can't confirm it yet.
As far as I am aware, these are the only times she even makes an appearance, story wise.
Shimosa mentions that Zero Musashi and Infinity Kojiro could kill the Buddha.
Lostbelt 5.2 apperently has Musashi fight the Greek Gods, but I obviously can't confirm it yet.
As far as I am aware, these are the only times she even makes an appearance, story wise.
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Doesn't she also ignore durability?
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Regarding Lostbelt Ivan, I actually don’t remember him having immeasurable speed ngl, but that is just me.
Anyway, wasn’t that after Ivan attempting to kill Saleri while he was in the piano room? If so, I have to reread LB1 to get a further clarification since I think she also used her np too.
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Nevermind, I found the scene with Saleri which was set before Musashi using her np to slice off Ivan’s trunk.
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