Minamoto no Raikou vs Erza Scarlet

[TypeOU]

I agree with Expectro, Raikou is unlikely to instantly use her np and erza has wincons, especially with her enchantments, so it's probably not a stomp, but raikou should still win most of the time through skill advantage, mana burst and NP

 

[LordGinSama]

Her enchantments aren't 4-D. Raikou has a 4-D resistance towards Erza's entire arsenal, her not using her NP from the start is irrelevant whenever her opponent gets negged because of the resistance.




Seriously if I made Reinhard vs Raikou you guys would ******* cry about it, now if I said it wasn't a stomp because Reinhard doesn't throw his spear from the get-go you guys would still call it a stomp. This shit is no different, and to be frank this is just a desperate attempt for Fate fans to add another W to Raikou's profile despite her having basically every advantage.

 

[Popted2]

just to ask what should be the requirements to have a fair match against Raikou?

 

[TypeOU]

Her enchantments aren't 4-D. Raikou has a 4-D resistance towards Erza's entire arsenal, her not using her NP from the start is irrelevant whenever her opponent gets negged because of the resistance.

pretty sure raikou has no resistance to getting hit by a sword, magic or not.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

just to ask what should be the requirements to have a fair match against Raikou?

You can find it out here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/minamoto-no-raikou-match-up.128715/

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

And to be frank this is just a desperate attempt for Fate fans to add another W to Raikou's profile despite her having basically every advantage.

I mean she's not entirelly perfect at everything tho, so does every servants
I just found her pretty flexible and fun to use, thats it

 

[Popted2]

You can find it out here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/minamoto-no-raikou-match-up.128715/

i remember that once she fought Zoro right?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

But in other hand, ever since the upgrades thread for Fate had applied, things are really hard for us with making the matches, so your comment about desperate attempt are likely true

Hurt but if this is the truth then so be it

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

i remember that once she fought Zoro right?

Thats Musashi and Sasaki btw

 

[Popted2]

Thats Musashi and Sasaki btw

oh right

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

I mean, she only null the hax that directly touch her, she don't null the force of a punch, sword or beam, she also don't null the enchanment the other part apply to themselfs, so Erza definitely can fight her, with the enchanment she even would have a AP advantage though not too big as I said in my first comment.

 

[LordGinSama]

Erza's swords literally use Magic.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

And? She isn't gonna null them (she don't have the Magic Resistance to null her arounds), she only would resist the hax part of the swords not the physical damage they do.

 

[Newendigo]

I remember that Servants, even with magic resistances, can still be damaged by magical attacks, as long as those are just raw energy/physical attacks, rather than status effects and hax.

IIRC, Kuzuki can damage Saber via reinforcement from Medea, the mana impregnated debris from Spartacus can break Jeanne's armor, and Fate/Kaleid let pretty clear that a raw mass of magical energy can ignore Magic Resistance from the likes of Rider.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

I remember that Servants, even with magic resistances, can still be damaged by magical attacks, as long as those are just raw energy/physical attacks, rather than status effects and hax.

IIRC, Kuzuki can damage Saber via reinforcement from Medea, the mana impregnated debris from Spartacus can break Jeanne's armor, and Fate/Kaleid let pretty clear that a raw mass of magical energy can ignore Magic Resistance from the likes of Rider.

Correct, it's like this, they null hax not the physical damage of for example a magical sword.

 

[Newendigo]

That should be definetly be pointed out in the profiles lmao.

 

[LordGinSama]

So then let's say a Magic Blast would still damage them even with the resistance? Because that honestly sounds more like passive power null rather than outright resistance to Magic.


Either way the profile should reflect that since it's currently left vague.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Pretty sure magic blasts also get negged since that’s what happened when Caster tried to blast Saber when she jumped Kuzuki.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

That should be definetly be pointed out in the profiles lmao.

I seconded this

 

[FallenMaou2234]

So then let's say a Magic Blast would still damage them even with the resistance? Because that honestly sounds more like passive power null rather than outright resistance to Magic.

0:05

 

[FallenMaou2234]

I remember that Servants, even with magic resistances, can still be damaged by magical attacks, as long as those are just raw energy/physical attacks, rather than status effects and hax.

IIRC, Kuzuki can damage Saber via reinforcement from Medea, the mana impregnated debris from Spartacus can break Jeanne's armor, and Fate/Kaleid let pretty clear that a raw mass of magical energy can ignore Magic Resistance from the likes of Rider.

Magic Resistance is more Negation of Proper True Thematurgy and Magecraft like spells and Status ailments that type of stuff weapons imbued with magic like NP's and Raw Brute force can still damage them although it's a bit iffy

 

[LordGinSama]

Also from what I remember not every Servant resistance scales to 4-D, such as the elemental resistances. (Not really sure how you'd even qualify "4-D" fire and ice lol.)



But yeah the SP page definitely needs to be worked on.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Off-topic note: My left eye are not feeling good (especially that there's a swollen in the below side)

Alright, so what's the concensus here?

 

[azontr]

My left eye are not feeling good

Get a new left eye

 

[Newendigo]

Considering that Servant's are magical beings themselves and they can harm each other through simple punches I don't think is iffy.

Magic Resistance is more Negation of Proper True Thematurgy and Magecraft like spells and Status ailments that type of stuff weapons imbued with magic like NP's and Raw Brute force can still damage them although it's a bit iffy

 

[LordGinSama]

Clear wank, Servant's can't be above tier 9 since they can get harmed by paper if wielded by another Servant

 

[Newendigo]

So summing up, Erza's swords should be able to damage Raikou while her magical energy attacks (Fire, Electricity, Light) might or might not get cancelled by MR, depending on how they are fired.

 

[LordGinSama]

Raikou does this to Erza's head and it's GG

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Raikou does this to Erza's head and it's GG

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Bump!!

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Bump!!

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Bump!!

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I guess this match is not worth of bump anymore lel

Good news is, i got an good opponent for Erza (no, its not from Fate), i also going to make an another Raikou match for @Oliver_de_jesus as well

 

[FallenMaou2234]

Considering that Servant's are magical beings themselves and they can harm each other through simple punches I don't think is iffy.

No the iffy bit is that MR is meant to negate all Magic but techniques and weapons Imbued with it can still harm Servants with magic resistance even when weilded by non Servant Charachters E.g Rin, Shirou, Kuzuki