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Metal Gear Discussion Thread

Chariot190 said:
Also EMMOTIVE STUFF IS MGS4 ONLY
snake would need to have prior knowledge while bardock would have none to actually beat him, but that wouldnt be a fight, it'd be "snake ***** off instantly via stealth, and lays a trap that bardock just so happens to proc like 5 hours later because the dude with a PL of like 24 ****** off".
Inversely MGS4 Snake just hax stomps with the right equipment.

no db vs mgs match is fair, they just end up being stat stomps, or hax stomps like mantis, sorrow or HF shit.
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Hey Chariot do Metal Gears characters win the skill battle? (Out Skill DBZ?)
 
Huesito88 said:
Hey Chariot do Metal Gears characters win the skill battle? (Out Skill DBZ?)
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Yes because they actually have actual tangible skill and not "wow goku predicted what someone would do in 0.5 seconds" (not even a good feat).

Early DB has decent skill slop, but then DB instead of keeping up the skill slop just went "anime" skill that is kinda ass, so the top dogs legit just have big ass scaling chains and that's kinda it.
McFriesGuy075 said:
Cell scales to a supercomputer, but CQC is said to have a near infinite ammount of applications so i dunno
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Blade Wolf, every MG cyborg also has a supercomputer, doesnt even help much.
Multiple Metal Gears like PW also have that type of slop.
Ocelot also just flatout outsmarts a super supercomputer but that's out of battle.
 
Unknownnah said:
Raiden vs Goku.
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“Raiden I challenge you”

“No HF blade???”
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Raiden VS Guts (MGS VS Berserk)

- No equal speed. - They are both in character. - The fight takes place in a forest at night. They are 10 meters away. MGS4 Raiden used. Black Swordsman Guts used. SBA from the rest. Guts scales to: 679.76 Tons of TNT / 436.34 Mach / 113 Tons of Force Raiden scales to: 156.78 Tons of TNT...
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Chariot190 said:
That's the highend tbh, Rex ****** built, plus that shit is the only thing in game that straight ***** Snake no matter what. And idk, would be way lower, maybe Class 25? Would need to calc stuff, if ya have any, show.

But "At least Class [?], possibly/at most Class M", might be the best way, there's just a bunch of blatant low ends and anti feats, yet the high end shit aint even a one off, there's a bunch, yet no-inbetween. Literally both consistent to a degree.
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Would Snake's low end be at least Class 50? Old Snake can easily overpower Crying Beauty (I think there's also supposed to be one where he flips her over his shoulder with barely any effort, but I've only seen that with other beauties), and because she is barely moved by the recoil from the Railgun (which i heard has the same recoil from a tank?)
 
McFriesGuy075 said:
Would Snake's low end be at least Class 50? Old Snake can easily overpower Crying Beauty (I think there's also supposed to be one where he flips her over his shoulder with barely any effort, but I've only seen that with other beauties), and because she is barely moved by the recoil from the Railgun (which i heard has the same recoil from a tank?)
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First one doesn't work, she isn't in her suit (which is actually way above Class 50, that bulldozer from the start of the game alone is like 88 tons iirc), but old snake can knock her over in suit so might be something there. Can't he knock her off in suit too anyway? He can break out of Raging Raven's grabs and the Solidus Arms thou too.

The railgun would have recoil like that of a tank cannon yeah.
 
I think we have an easy out of Class G hell due to Armstrong, and a supporting feat I just thought of too :RatCooking:
 
I mean, the spinning wheel moves at similar speeds if you Ripper Mode on it, right? I have to play the fight again and inspect it, I wanna upgrade the AP, at least to not scale Raiden to High 7-A because that's the next best feat and it doesn't come from Monsoon
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You'd need to check.
And I've researched it, Boxer APCs are actually 36.5 tons. The 24 ton thing, well, I didn't find any source for it tbf. https://www.knds.de/en/systems-products/wheeled-vehicles/boxer/boxer-gtv/ as my source for the weight. I assume they're that heavy. So we already got a 7-A feat.
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That's good.
Didn't find a good weight for the APC anyway in Wikipedia, but wikipedia does provide interesting stuff about AIM-9X Sidewinder which are the missiles the chopper has, can be used to scale travel speed. And besides, we cannot assume their weights.
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We can assume stuff if it's analog, like nobody is gonna get up in arms if you assume the bootleg of m1 abrams from V is the same weight as an m1 abrams.
Raiden can parry when Monsoon throws a mass of APCs at him, so I guess he can actually match, let alone overpower the force.
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Parry ain't inherently LS, we usually don't scale LS from ANY type of quick jerk motion, the instant something becomes striking-esque, it's invalidated.
which sucks like dont get me wrong, I could upgrade the **** out of Link's LS that way but the parry he does is like a shield bash so it's SS.
Lemme remind you Raiden got massively upgraded after Outer Haven, so LS upgrades make sense. So yeah...idk where that scales
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I'm aware.

Though, you should be aware the Monsoon stuff is kinda taking a hit. The perceived time dilation needs to be recalculated (the rain isn't actually statued, the rain also isn't falling, what's happening and what everyone keeps calcing is the rain floating upward, which happens when Monsoon does the magnesis shit, not downward), coupled with FTL Raiden in RM, kinda makes KE hard to get. Which is to say, the Monsoon stuff is almost 100% getting nerfed by a magnitude or so. Of course dusting CNT boxers well into tier 7 anyway so eh. The wheel being pulped is also probably something around that level still anyway if I had to guess so it ain't a big deal, but that specific route of calcing the fight prob ain't gonna work anymore.

Of course, we've already thought of replacement calcs, Armstrong throwing a chunk of Excel's leg at Raiden is a good one, especially because if you don't cut it, and it hits it's pulverized which, of course, is big (don't forget CNT frag can be as high as 200gpa), and given it's a throw, that's easy LS, just take the gained value, divide by Armstrong's arm movement, that gets you newtons for LS, should be Class T or maybe higher even.
 
Chariot190 said:
You'd need to check.

That's good.

We can assume stuff if it's analog, like nobody is gonna get up in arms if you assume the bootleg of m1 abrams from V is the same weight as an m1 abrams.

Parry ain't inherently LS, we usually don't scale LS from ANY type of quick jerk motion, the instant something becomes striking-esque, it's invalidated.
which sucks like dont get me wrong, I could upgrade the **** out of Link's LS that way but the parry he does is like a shield bash so it's SS.

I'm aware.

Though, you should be aware the Monsoon stuff is kinda taking a hit. The perceived time dilation needs to be recalculated (the rain isn't actually statued, the rain also isn't falling, what's happening and what everyone keeps calcing is the rain floating upward, which happens when Monsoon does the magnesis shit, not downward), coupled with FTL Raiden in RM, kinda makes KE hard to get. Which is to say, the Monsoon stuff is almost 100% getting nerfed by a magnitude or so. Of course dusting CNT boxers well into tier 7 anyway so eh. The wheel being pulped is also probably something around that level still anyway if I had to guess so it ain't a big deal, but that specific route of calcing the fight prob ain't gonna work anymore.

Of course, we've already thought of replacement calcs, Armstrong throwing a chunk of Excel's leg at Raiden is a good one, especially because if you don't cut it, and it hits it's pulverized which, of course, is big (don't forget CNT frag can be as high as 200gpa), and given it's a throw, that's easy LS, just take the gained value, divide by Armstrong's arm movement, that gets you newtons for LS, should be Class T or maybe higher even.
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Parrying literally carries some verses I know to extreme levels lol. But yeah, I do not know about Class P MGR.
FTL Raiden in RM? Since when? Even in that case, the speed of the APCs is calced based on the raindrop movements, not the swinging speed since this would be calc stacking. Monsoon's feats stay no matter the speed of Raiden. Raiden's time dilation has nothing to do with it.

Although thanks for accepting the 7-A calcs, only thing I have to do now is debate the validity. I cannot really send screenshots here, but Monsoon throws way more than one APC which is 306-400 megatons depends on how you accept it.

Raiden's perception of time remains the same, Blade Mode just increases combat and attack speed.

Anyway, there are quite a few ways to get them up to 7-A. For example, a grounded version of Armstrong's magma punch which yeah, is actually usable and I can debate it, but it's not 6-B.

Also, we gotta debate their travel speeds. Raiden does not run at relativistic speeds, but he can engage in combat at them. I accept Raiden being Hypersonic+ (Mach 12.1) in travel speed and anyone who scales to him, w/Sub-Relativistic attack speed and FTL reaction, combat speed is either FTL or Sub-Relativistic choose. In case you wonder, the AIM-9X Sidewinder missile source is the wiki itself. Although the Hammerhead uses AGM missiles of unknown origin, so we can either assume AIM-9X Sidewinder (Mach 2.5+) and AGM-88 HARM (Mach 2.9)
Also we have FTL reaction feat (from MGS this time), and I've solved the issues for the scaling. It only scales to Metal Gear RAY, not Ocelot piloting it. And by extension, it scales to Raiden, who can easily clap a RAY, and everyone who engages Raiden. If you watch closely, it is not an aim-dodge.
Sundowner consistently blitzes plasma timers anyway.
 
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Chariot190 said:
that's easy LS, just take the gained value, divide by Armstrong's arm movement, that gets you newtons for LS, should be Class T or maybe higher even.
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Ofc, make sure to count the KE (Kinetic Energy) from the Lifting Strength feat. Making the mother of all scalings here, Jack! Can't fret over every feat!
 
NON-STOPPING_GAMER2009 said:
Ofc, make sure to count the KE (Kinetic Energy) from the Lifting Strength feat. Making the mother of all scalings here, Jack! Can't fret over every feat!
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The KE is how you get the LS. When it comes to throwing feats, you can get the force by dividing the joules from the KE, by the movement (so if Armstrong's arms like 90cm and did a 90 degree arc, and thus had an arc movement of 1.5m), you divide the joules by 1.5, and you get the Newtons, which can be converted directly into force like metric tons of LS.
 
Chariot190 said:
The KE is how you get the LS. When it comes to throwing feats, you can get the force by dividing the joules from the KE, by the movement (so if Armstrong's arms like 90cm and did a 90 degree arc, and thus had an arc movement of 1.5m), you divide the joules by 1.5, and you get the Newtons, which can be converted directly into force like metric tons of LS.
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For now until the staff forbidden the use of KE for lifting strength
 
Hey Chariot so how far does dbz get in the metal gear skill gauntlet? (like what's the best opponent they outskill in metal gear?)
 
Goku would no diff with Grandpa Gohan "unparalleled master in all forms of martial arts" scaling
 
Huesito88 said:
Hey Chariot so how far does dbz get in the metal gear skill gauntlet? (like what's the best opponent they outskill in metal gear?)
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Not past Sam, that’s for sure. He’s the most skilled in the verse. Even more so than Raiden, Gray Fox or Solidus. Sam is at least the milestone, if you outskill this guy you’re probably outskilling everyone
 
Chariot190 said:
The KE is how you get the LS. When it comes to throwing feats, you can get the force by dividing the joules from the KE, by the movement (so if Armstrong's arms like 90cm and did a 90 degree arc, and thus had an arc movement of 1.5m), you divide the joules by 1.5, and you get the Newtons, which can be converted directly into force like metric tons of LS.
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I mean the KE of Raiden tanking it
 
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