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Metal Gear Discussion Thread

Also EMMOTIVE STUFF IS MGS4 ONLY
snake would need to have prior knowledge while bardock would have none to actually beat him, but that wouldnt be a fight, it'd be "snake ***** off instantly via stealth, and lays a trap that bardock just so happens to proc like 5 hours later because the dude with a PL of like 24 ****** off".
Inversely MGS4 Snake just hax stomps with the right equipment.

no db vs mgs match is fair, they just end up being stat stomps, or hax stomps like mantis, sorrow or HF shit.
Hey Chariot do Metal Gears characters win the skill battle? (Out Skill DBZ?)
 
Hey Chariot do Metal Gears characters win the skill battle? (Out Skill DBZ?)
Yes because they actually have actual tangible skill and not "wow goku predicted what someone would do in 0.5 seconds" (not even a good feat).

Early DB has decent skill slop, but then DB instead of keeping up the skill slop just went "anime" skill that is kinda ass, so the top dogs legit just have big ass scaling chains and that's kinda it.
Cell scales to a supercomputer, but CQC is said to have a near infinite ammount of applications so i dunno
Blade Wolf, every MG cyborg also has a supercomputer, doesnt even help much.
Multiple Metal Gears like PW also have that type of slop.
Ocelot also just flatout outsmarts a super supercomputer but that's out of battle.
 
Raiden vs Goku.
“Raiden I challenge you”

“No HF blade???”
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That's the highend tbh, Rex ****** built, plus that shit is the only thing in game that straight ***** Snake no matter what. And idk, would be way lower, maybe Class 25? Would need to calc stuff, if ya have any, show.

But "At least Class [?], possibly/at most Class M", might be the best way, there's just a bunch of blatant low ends and anti feats, yet the high end shit aint even a one off, there's a bunch, yet no-inbetween. Literally both consistent to a degree.
Would Snake's low end be at least Class 50? Old Snake can easily overpower Crying Beauty (I think there's also supposed to be one where he flips her over his shoulder with barely any effort, but I've only seen that with other beauties), and because she is barely moved by the recoil from the Railgun (which i heard has the same recoil from a tank?)
 
Would Snake's low end be at least Class 50? Old Snake can easily overpower Crying Beauty (I think there's also supposed to be one where he flips her over his shoulder with barely any effort, but I've only seen that with other beauties), and because she is barely moved by the recoil from the Railgun (which i heard has the same recoil from a tank?)
First one doesn't work, she isn't in her suit (which is actually way above Class 50, that bulldozer from the start of the game alone is like 88 tons iirc), but old snake can knock her over in suit so might be something there. Can't he knock her off in suit too anyway? He can break out of Raging Raven's grabs and the Solidus Arms thou too.

The railgun would have recoil like that of a tank cannon yeah.
 
I think we have an easy out of Class G hell due to Armstrong, and a supporting feat I just thought of too :RatCooking:
 
I mean, the spinning wheel moves at similar speeds if you Ripper Mode on it, right? I have to play the fight again and inspect it, I wanna upgrade the AP, at least to not scale Raiden to High 7-A because that's the next best feat and it doesn't come from Monsoon
You'd need to check.
And I've researched it, Boxer APCs are actually 36.5 tons. The 24 ton thing, well, I didn't find any source for it tbf. https://www.knds.de/en/systems-products/wheeled-vehicles/boxer/boxer-gtv/ as my source for the weight. I assume they're that heavy. So we already got a 7-A feat.
That's good.
Didn't find a good weight for the APC anyway in Wikipedia, but wikipedia does provide interesting stuff about AIM-9X Sidewinder which are the missiles the chopper has, can be used to scale travel speed. And besides, we cannot assume their weights.
We can assume stuff if it's analog, like nobody is gonna get up in arms if you assume the bootleg of m1 abrams from V is the same weight as an m1 abrams.
Raiden can parry when Monsoon throws a mass of APCs at him, so I guess he can actually match, let alone overpower the force.
Parry ain't inherently LS, we usually don't scale LS from ANY type of quick jerk motion, the instant something becomes striking-esque, it's invalidated.
which sucks like dont get me wrong, I could upgrade the **** out of Link's LS that way but the parry he does is like a shield bash so it's SS.
Lemme remind you Raiden got massively upgraded after Outer Haven, so LS upgrades make sense. So yeah...idk where that scales
I'm aware.

Though, you should be aware the Monsoon stuff is kinda taking a hit. The perceived time dilation needs to be recalculated (the rain isn't actually statued, the rain also isn't falling, what's happening and what everyone keeps calcing is the rain floating upward, which happens when Monsoon does the magnesis shit, not downward), coupled with FTL Raiden in RM, kinda makes KE hard to get. Which is to say, the Monsoon stuff is almost 100% getting nerfed by a magnitude or so. Of course dusting CNT boxers well into tier 7 anyway so eh. The wheel being pulped is also probably something around that level still anyway if I had to guess so it ain't a big deal, but that specific route of calcing the fight prob ain't gonna work anymore.

Of course, we've already thought of replacement calcs, Armstrong throwing a chunk of Excel's leg at Raiden is a good one, especially because if you don't cut it, and it hits it's pulverized which, of course, is big (don't forget CNT frag can be as high as 200gpa), and given it's a throw, that's easy LS, just take the gained value, divide by Armstrong's arm movement, that gets you newtons for LS, should be Class T or maybe higher even.
 
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