Meliodas and Zeldris vs Asta and Yuno

[Arnoldstone18]

So far?

their wincon got debunked so wait for their rebuttal.
In the meantime Asta negs ON and skill stomp them with ability based skill.

 

[Jibz]

i see in the meantime ill read the thread

 

[azontr]

Speedster ong meatriding Arnold on his wall

 

[Deceived3596]

Speedster is victimizing Arnold and i love it

 

[Arnoldstone18]

SMH

 

[Arkenis]

Let me guess Ominous Nebula and layered hax as win cons?

 

[Arkenis]

Has piety been argued here? Cuz Piety negs

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Let me guess Ominous Nebula and layered hax as win cons?

I argued Anti Magic bypasses all power nullification resistance in Black Clover as long as it’s enough to cover said magic. So in vsbattles terms AM is at the top of the scaling chain that starts from the beginning of BC to rn. And I argued that AM is enough in this Key to cover Meldris’ attacks (especially from demon destroyer’s causality manipulation)

Has piety been argued here? Cuz Piety negs

Asta and Yuno aren’t ******* so no

 

[Arkenis]

Is this just like Asta vs zeldris and mel with Yuno helping or does Yuno have win cons of his own

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Is this just like Asta vs zeldris and mel with Yuno helping or does Yuno have win cons of his own

Yeah just Yuno helping,

he provides great support with mana zone spells and pseudo amps.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

But if you’re looking for his wincons, it would basically just be his amps + insane Accelerated development and RPL and just firing two spirit storm spells after Asta negs Zeldris’ God

 

[Makai641001]

Don’t tell me that this is the only feat used to wank manipulating darkness not being magic.

As stated like 20 times it can be infused in their abilities that are retconned by 4kota’s new magic system

Darkness is magic.

It ain’t dark magic ain’t the same as their darkness

Also the scan you send Gaaland never uses his magic and he’s the only one with 0 magic.

They are pretty much all sealed yet possess their darkness since it’s their body

Oh, Zeldris and the others still have some magic that’s why he said they should take it easy. Not to mention the scan was way before Galaand’s magic was even measured.

Irrelevant

 

[Makai641001]

So far?

their wincon got debunked so wait for their rebuttal.
In the meantime Asta negs ON and skill stomp them with ability based skill.

You still don’t know What ON is even though We explained 50029202 times
It’s Zel’s sword

Darkness still ain’t magic Using style over substance isn’t a debunk

 

[Makai641001]

Has piety been argued here? Cuz Piety negs

Yeah but ignored

 

[Makai641001]

Yeah just Yuno helping,

he provides great support with mana zone spells and pseudo amps.

Said mana zone that We already discussed and gets nulled same for the « pseudo amps »

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah but ignored

Asta and Yuno aren’t ******* so no

Just wanna put this here,

Yuno has precog and instinctive reaction so he's definitely dodging darkness attacks.
Analytical Prediction via Spirit's Hushed Dance (Yuno takes control of the surrounding mana, enabling him to predict and evade attacks)
Instinctive Reaction (Yuno stated that the part of the magic he cannot control made him avoid an attack on his own)


Not sure if it was brought up but yeah Yuno should be the most likely to not get hit here by darkness attacks.

 

[SaberPhantasy9]

Asta and Yuno FRA

 

[Makai641001]

But if you’re looking for his wincons, it would basically just be his amps + insane Accelerated development and RPL and just firing two spirit storm spells after Asta negs Zeldris’ God

Which wouldn’t null their NE

 

[Arkenis]

Said mana zone that We already discussed and gets nulled same for the « pseudo amps »

Wait what nulls it God?

 

[Makai641001]

Just wanna put this here,

Please

Yuno has precog and instinctive reaction so he's definitely dodging darkness attacks.

Getting sucked in by ON and Full react

Analytical Prediction via Spirit's Hushed Dance (Yuno takes control of the surrounding mana, enabling him to predict and evade attacks)

Get’s nulled by the negative energy emanating from Zel and Mel

Instinctive Reaction (Yuno stated that the part of the magic he cannot control made him avoid an attack on his own)

ON has ranged instinctive reaction

Not sure if it was brought up but yeah Yuno should be the most likely to not get hit here by darkness attacks.

He would get touched by said attacks

 

[Makai641001]

Wait what nulls it God?

No the negative energy

Same negative energy having enough range to cover pretty much hundreds of meters and nullifying everything Yuno can do
Asta nullifying it with Anti Magic would null Yuno too (And the best part is it’s a feeling Asta may not be able to null it)

 

[Arkenis]

No the negative energy

Same negative energy having enough range to cover pretty much hundreds of meters and nullifying everything Yuno can do
Asta nullifying it with Anti Magic would null Yuno too (And the best part is it’s a feeling Asta may not be able to null it)

Oh is this something in the new series or something? Where's it on his page, and wdym by negative energy?

 

[Makai641001]

Oh is this something in the new series or something? Where's it on his page, and wdym by negative energy?

No it was in nnt during the Corand arc Meliodas DM2 accumulated negative energy (NE) and said NE power nulled the sins fighting the skelletons
NE is naturally produced by demons bodies and can be accumulated passively to amp themselves nullify magic and Natural elements

 

[Arkenis]

Getting sucked in by ON and Full react

The thing Escanor could react to? Yuno's doing the same

 

[Arkenis]

No it was in nnt during the Corand arc Meliodas DM2 accumulated negative energy (NE) and said NE power nulled the sins fighting the skelletons
NE is naturally produced by demons bodies and can be accumulated passively to amp themselves nullify magic and Natural elements

chapter?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Makai your face is just everywhere.
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[Arnoldstone18]

So an entire power system got retconned by something called 4KOTA

what even is that?

 

[Makai641001]

The thing Escanor could react to? Yuno's doing the same

The thing a Lightspeed Ludociel couldn’t react to despite being a bit faster than Zel

Same thing that has IR and just could not scratch Escanor

Same thing that has IR and will attract them anyway

 

[Makai641001]

chapter?

Look at Mel’s profile it should be around Chapter 240 tho i’ve sent scans earlier Here

 

[Makai641001]

So an entire power system got retconned by something called 4KOTA

what even is that?

The power system is now the 4KOTA power system (It’s the work that follows NNT and created the power system We rely on)

 

[Arkenis]

The thing a Lightspeed Ludociel couldn’t react to despite being a bit faster than Zel

Same thing that has IR and just could not scratch Escanor

Same thing that has IR and will attract them anyway

He will stop it or parry it. Far better than Escaor did.

 

[Makai641001]

Makai your face is just everywhere.
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I’m dying rn getting spammed on Instagram too I should be sleeping rn

 

[Arnoldstone18]

It ain’t dark magic ain’t the same as their darkness

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Why?

 

[Makai641001]

He will stop it or parry it. Far better than Escaor did.

How would he while being far weaker than said Escanor and also FAR SLOWER than it and also while being attracted to it

 

[Makai641001]

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Why?

Darkness is inside their body and is a component of it « dark magic » is like Hellblaze something they put dark energy in you can recognize Darkness easily since it’s solid not just dark aura

 

[Makai641001]

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Why?

I’m really sorry daddy your toes are really good looking but i’m gonna go to sleep

 

[Arkenis]

How would he while being far weaker than said Escanor and also FAR SLOWER than it and also while being attracted to it

Why are you bringing up Escanor? And how is he far slower?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

They are pretty much all sealed yet possess their darkness since it’s their body

Irrelevant

You’re just ignoring refutations at this point.

You still don’t know What ON is even though We explained 50029202 times
It’s Zel’s sword

Darkness still ain’t magic Using style over substance isn’t a debunk

ON is manipulation of the sword that’s controlled by manipulating the darkness that’s covers it.

manipulating darkness is magic. Asta can neg literal elements that a magically manipulated (True Magic). So however way you see it, darkness is manipulated via magic and Asta negs the control of it.

how ever way you interprete it (substance magic or magically manipulating) magic is clearly involved as shown by your Japanese raw YOU sent and the scan I sent

 

[Makai641001]

Why are you bringing up Escanor? And how is he far slower?

You brought Escanor by saying Yuno would parry it better

Escanor didn’t even need to parry it

Yuno will get attracted and hit multiple times anyway no matter his IR Zeldris’s IR is ranged and Yuno’s magic is nulled

Yuno does not scale to Zel so parrying it With his hands would be hard

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Darkness is inside their body and is a component of it « dark magic » is like Hellblaze something they put dark energy in you can recognize Darkness easily since it’s solid not just dark aura

Darkness is a physical substance manipulated magically

yes or no