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MCU tiers scaling around Thanos

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Also I think the space stone can be calculated as well. The power stone stripped the moon, but the space stone threw the entire surface of the moon. I'll look into it.
 
RisingIons said:
Thanos could not escape any of Strange's magic without using the power stone
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None of Strange's magical attacks on Thanos were really AP based. Most of them were hax or only scales to lifting strength.

RisingIons said:
Shields are a basic ability that all sorcerers know. Strange's magical offense have better feats than his defense, not to say it is weak, but just has stronger feats.
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If you can show that they can break each other's shields sure. Scaling would make sense then.


RisingIons said:
Then wouldn't all the other stones have the same range as well?
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No, because only some stones show the ability to effect things on that scale. The time stone having universal range is also questionable for the reasons I mentioned.

RisingIons said:
Also I think the space stone can be calculated as well. The power stone stripped the moon, but the space stone threw the entire surface of the moon. I'll look into it.
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The calc is based entirely off of the space stone throwing chunks of the moon at Titan
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
But since we're on the topic of Thanos scaling, why us Hulk stated as equal to Thanos in AP? Yet he's listed as High 7-A. This is even weirder considering Iron Man did more damage to Thanos than Hulk did, yet Iron Man himself isn't 6-C. I'd say the WoG that States Hulk = Thanos is strength should be removed as it's pretty contradictory to what we see in the film
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Also bumping this part
 
Regardless of anything we know the surge from the complete infinity gauntlet and snap is 5Gigatons
Emirp sumitpo said:
But then Thor is able to harm Hulk...
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Oof you're right and then more people will scale to that too and it becomes a mess
 
They should just stay where they are, they're all clearly weaker than Thanos and there's only so long Iron Man could withstand Thanos' blows before getting torn apart and hulk got pretty much bodied by a casual Thanos.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
They should just stay where they are, they're all clearly weaker than Thanos and there's only so long Iron Man could withstand Thanos' blows before getting torn apart and hulk got pretty much bodied by a casual Thanos.
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Yeah and also realized even with the gauntlet unlike thanos hulk kinda got immediately clapped by it and was knocked out with heavy damage literally the same as when thanos has knocked out the other 7-A's so yeah I supposed he wouldn't scale
 
Hulk's justifications both have issues
 
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Emirp sumitpo said:
Tho I feel like Giant Man should be placed in 6-C or be given At least High 7-A but let's not get into that

But since we're on the topic of Thanos scaling, why us Hulk stated as equal to Thanos in AP? Yet he's listed as High 7-A. This is even weirder considering Iron Man did more damage to Thanos than Hulk did, yet Iron Man himself isn't 6-C. I'd say the WoG that States Hulk = Thanos is strength should be removed as it's pretty contradictory to what we see in the film
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It's all going back to this really, Iron-Man Dura scales better and hulk needs justifications removed
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
So back to High 7-C?
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Basically
I know Hulk was mentioned to have trained for two years; presumably growing stronger and the Atom bomb statement surely implies 7-B so we could have Ragnarok Hulk as a separate key still (but tbh we can probably just merge the keys)

It also helps remove outliers since we could just have Cull at High 7-C, which should smoothen things out with Giant Man (since he wouldn't scale to the top tiers anymore)
 
The only thing with cull is that he's fought bleeding edge iron man even if Iron-Man was more causal there
 
Hellbeast said:
I know Hulk was mentioned to have trained for two years; presumably growing stronger and the Atom bomb statement surely implies 7-B so we could have Ragnarok Hulk as a separate key still (but tbh we can probably just merge the keys)
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Isn't an Atom Bomb 7-C?

Hellbeast said:
It also helps remove outliers since we could just have Cull at High 7-C, which should smoothen things out with Giant Man (since he wouldn't scale to the top tiers anymore)
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Cull is High 7-A for being to overpower Iron Man twice, I'm not sure what contradicts it. Albeit the second time Iron Man was distracted
 
Hellbeast said:
Basically
I know Hulk was mentioned to have trained for two years; presumably growing stronger and the Atom bomb statement surely implies 7-B so we could have Ragnarok Hulk as a separate key still (but tbh we can probably just merge the keys)

It also helps remove outliers since we could just have Cull at High 7-C, which should smoothen things out with Giant Man (since he wouldn't scale to the top tiers anymore)
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Giant man also one shots cull whose fought iron man so there's no reason not to scale, the simplest things would be a justification change for Hulk
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Isn't an Atom Bomb 7-C?
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Shit in that case it probably would need to be merged
A moment of silence for Hulk's credibility
Emirp sumitpo said:
Cull is High 7-A for being to overpower Iron Man twice, I'm not sure what contradicts it. Albeit the second time Iron Man was distracted
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Huh I forgot we upgraded him back up to Top Tier
Dalesean027 said:
Giant man also one shots cull whose fought iron man so there's no reason not to scale, the simplest things would be a justification change for Hulk
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Wait isn't Giant-Man already High 7-A in Endgame?
This just solidifies the scaling
 
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Hellbeast please explain your stance on Cull because I'm confused you said we should have him at 7-C and that that would fix Giant man, we explained why Cull's scaling is fine and why giant man scales to him and that was that so I guess elaborate on why you think that would fix things having 7-C cull I'm just confused about that is all
 
Dalesean027 said:
Hellbeast please explain your stance on Cull because I'm confused you said we should have him at 7-C and that that would fix Giant man, we explained why Cull's scaling is fine and why giant man scales to him and that was that so I guess elaborate on why you think that would fix things having 7-C cull I'm just confused about that is all
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I didn't realize Cull was put back to High 7-A lol, so I thought this would mean he goes back to 7-C for the upgraded Hulkbuster (brainfart)
Dalesean027 said:
Giant man also one shots cull whose fought iron man so there's no reason not to scale, the simplest things would be a justification change for Hulk
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Misreading of this; which was replying to my statement about Cull (I'm tired)
 
The only one that's supposedly getting downgraded is Hulk, as he has no reason to scale to High 7-A
 
Hellbeast said:
I didn't realize Cull was put back to High 7-A lol, so I thought this would mean he goes back to 7-C for the upgraded Hulkbuster (brainfart)

Misreading of this; which was replying to my statement about Cull (I'm tired)
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Ooh okay and it's fine that's perfectly understandable
Emirp sumitpo said:
The only one that's supposedly getting downgraded is Hulk, as he has no reason to scale to High 7-A
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Yeah I'm okay with this but are we still set for the Dr. strange shield upgrades and Iron man dura upgrades
 
Rez said:
Tony tanked hits from power stone amped Thanos(which is higher than his regular ap) and from Thor's hammer in endgame (again the armour was completely unharmed Tony was only knocked out because of lighting) so he does have 6-C dura feats
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I believe this was the arguement for Iron man there are a few feats here so what about these did u disagree with
 
Iron Man didn't tank Thanos punching him with the power ston, it actually blew off a chucnk of his armor. Thor's hammer was strong enough to temporarily get incapacitate. And other than that, he's shown to get clapped by Thanos pretty easily, with Thanos being able to casually tear off his helmet, blow bits of his armor. And even overpower the Mark 85 casually in Endgame
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Iron Man didn't tank Thanos punching him with the power ston, it actually blew off a chucnk of his armor. Thor's hammer was strong enough to temporarily get incapacitate. And other than that, he's shown to get clapped by Thanos pretty easily, with Thanos being able to casually tear off his helmet, blow bits of his armor. And even overpower the Mark 85 casually in Endgame
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I will say In terms of the infinity war fight the armor didn't really start failing until later as it was losing more bits as the fight progressed but it did hold up for a good while tanking hits and a direct beam from the power stone that's before it started falling apart after the amped powerstone punch
 
Dalesean027 said:
I will say In terms of the infinity war fight the armor didn't really start failing until later as it was losing more bits as the fight progressed but it did hold up for a good while tanking hits and a direct beam from the power stone that's before it started falling apart after the amped powerstone punch
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Power Stone's power varies so that's not a great point. Plus he needed to deploy a huge shield in order to tank it
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Thor's hammer was strong enough to temporarily get incapacitate
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Yeah that wasn't because of any damage it was because of the lightning and Tony tanked various hits from Thanos befor the power stone amped punch and even after the punch Tony stood up and started attacking again Thanos was only capable of breaking Tony's armour after the power amped punch before that Tony took way worse hits from Thanos and was relatively fine
 
Rez said:
Which is made up of same material as his armour
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If he could tank it on his own why bother deploying the shield? Plus the blast clearly isn't 6-C even if we assume the shield is as strong as Iron Man himself. Because Thanos is able to casually damage the suits armor.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Power Stone's power varies so that's not a great point. Plus he needed to deploy a huge shield in order to tank it
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True though I don't see any reason to assume it would do any less than what Thanos is normally capable of, that's just my piece on the matter
 
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