MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

[CrackNet]

The way i see it:

Strange Supreme Universe> Watchers within itself

3 Watchers spinning> everyone else combined

Each Watcher is stronger than any of the "Watcher" Exiles 1v1

But 4 Exiles plus The Watcher can fight them

Ultron and Watchers> normal Exiles

Ultron> individual Watchers but 3 Watchers> Ultron

Ultron is possibly stronger than multiple Watchers but Eminence is simply stronger than the rest

Eminence> other 2 Watchers

Peggy sacrificed herself just so she can overpower The Watchers momentarily to move everyone a few universes over which similar to Strange creating a universe out of his sacrifice in a way i guess

 

[Naeem0304]

I finished watching episode 8 of What If...? season 3.

• After taking the oath, the Guardians gain the powers of Watchers, allowing them to fight the Council on even footing
• The Watcher Council conjure armor and fifth dimensional weapons

1. Power Bestowal and Weapon Creation

• When combing their powers, the Watcher Council threatens to erase every version of the Guardians from every universe, along with everything they've ever done and every life they've ever touched, which would destroy their very existence [/ISPOILER]

2. History Level Existence Erasure. Actually, could this be the first instance of Narrative Erasure in the MCU? History EE means that you don't exist in history, yes, but they were also going to destroy every version of the Guardians from every universe while nullifying everything they ever did. That goes beyond history, as they would straight up get destroyed out of every point of existence along with their actions.

• Captain Carter, apparently through sheer willpower, is able to resist the existence erasure long enough to strike down the Council and transport everyone to Doctor Strange Supreme's universe, though is apparently killed in the process
• After sacrificing himself to restore his universe, Strange Supreme's soul courses through every atom in that universe, giving him absolute power and control over it to the point of even being able to depower the Watcher Council
• It is implied that Carted ascended to an even higher plane of existence upon her death
• One could only imagine the stories behind some of the variants glimpsed at the end
• I'm going to miss this show... [/ISPOILER]

1. Resistance to Existence Erasure (History, possibly Narrative) for the Watchers and those with their powers.
2. Supreme Strange should get Higher-Dimensional Existence, Fusionism, Multilocation, Large Size (Type 9) and Omnipresent.

 

[Naeem0304]

In this post, I'll compile news about the MCU and comic book crossovers


At 11:40 Katharyn Blair (Loki Season Two co-writer) specifically says that it was an exec at Marvel who had an idea to do a TVA comic, but that it was Jordan D. White, Marvel Comics editor who listened to her pitch and let her run with it.

The Marvel.com article also specifically mentions that Feige approved the crossover.

The reason these crossovers are possible is that Feige has already been promoted from President of Marvel Studios to CCO of Marvel Entertainment in 2019.
So he had CCO authority to kill off Ms. Marvel in 616 and retcon her as a mutant.

Back when Feige was just the president of Marvel Studios, he once said that because the TV shows were produced by Marvel Television (Pre-Disney+) rather than Marvel Studios, it would be difficult for the crossovers to keep up with the pace of the showrunners writing the shows.
Also, several MCU tie-in comics have gone non-canon.

But now that Feige has been promoted to CCO of Marvel Entertainment, not only is there better communication between the divisions, but a Marvel Studios employee revealed that Marvel Comics is also collaborating, and that stories from the comics won't be ignored on screen.

TVA Comics revealed that Captain Carter had joined TVA, that would explain where Guardians of the Multiverse stole reset charges from

As an aside, someone mentioned the Spider-Verse in this thread before, and it reminded me of something
I don't know if it will help, For now I brought this
ATSV's Jessica-332 has already appeared in the comics, and the crossover with Earth-1048 has been canonized in both media

As an aside, in the commentary for the ATSV, it was mentioned that Miguel referenced Earth-001 (Loomworld) when creating the Spider Society's facility.

The ATSV also featured the Ultimate Tarantula from the comics' Earth-1610.
(Previously, characters like Steven Rogers (Earth-1610) were resurrected for unknown reasons when the Ultimate Universe was restored)

For the record, there was a lot of implications in the comics at the time that Earth-1610 would return, but when Donny Cates, who was originally slated to write Ultimate Invasion, was in a car accident, Jonathan Hickman ended up creating a new universe called Earth-6160.

In spite of that, Jimmy Hudson Jr. (Earth-1610) was apeared in TVA comics so that might be something, despite the fact that he was already displaced to Earth-616
Especially both 6160 Logan and 1610 Logan appeared in recent comics

HOLY SHIT this is incredible work . Honestly, this could 100% suffice as evidence. I'll get some leads from interviews with Kahhori's creator so that we have two comic-to-MCU sources to work with on this part.

@sasuke431 is the goat for this

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

It doesn’t even make sense how was Ultron beaten so easily yet they struggled to beat uatu who is below ultron even before ultron got amped by the observational shard even uatu was scared ultron was back showing how superior he was in power and if ultron was a watcher why did he go down so easily he should’ve been even just like everyone else was

I’m pretty sure the implication here is that he didn’t get a “power amp” from Absorbing the Shard. Just the watcher ability to see everything.

Therefore absorbing the Shard =/= Taking the Watcher Oath.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

Huh… Interesting. The TVA couldn’t account for Infinite Branching Timelines to adjust HWR’s contraption (Forgot the name of it) but the spinning Watcher’s EE can Outpace Infinite Branching Timelines overtime (As it wasn’t an Instant Process).

Edit: Wait… doesn’t that also mean they could erase Infinite Timelines/Universes?

 

[Naeem0304]

Huh… Interesting. The TVA couldn’t account for Infinite Branching Timelines to adjust HWR’s contraption (Forgot the name of it) but the spinning Watcher’s EE can Outpace Infinite Branching Timelines overtime (As it wasn’t an Instant Process).

Edit: Wait… doesn’t that also mean they could erase Infinite Timelines/Universes?

(Temporal Loom)

Also it's a possibility. Would be an insane feat.

 

[Naeem0304]

Anyways, this fifth dimensional space seems to be HUGE. In the Season 2 Finale, The Watcher changed the background he and Captain Carter were in to show the Ygdrassil Tree, and it briefly showed the shards. Now we know these chards are from the fifth dimension.

So that means even the Void surrounding the Multiverse is among the shards in the Observational Plane. Insanely impressive, given how it's bigger than the cosmology. It also explains why travelling to the TVA is easier than to the fifth dimension.

There was a CRT that accepted God of Stories Loki as 6D, so The Watchers and Supreme Strange's Universal Being would get that scale too.

Overall, these are some pretty good buffs. Unfortunately though, there wasn't a mention of Kahhori's adventure into the comics. We can still find more evidence elsewhere.

 

[RoTt35]

Offtopic but the 5-A calc from the Power Stone is going to be removed and will be replaced by High 6-A (average surface wiping). I guess we could try to scale Thanos to "At least High 6-A, likely 5-B" due to him easily crushing the Tesseract which was undamaged from a blow from Eternal Flame Surtur

 

[KaydeeX]

Offtopic but the 5-A calc from the Power Stone is going to be removed and will probably be replaced by High 6-A (average surface wiping). I guess we could try to scale Thanos to "At least High 6-A, likely 5-B" due to him easily crushing the Tesseract which was undamaged from a blow from Eternal Flame Surtur

It will probably be lowered to 5-C scaling from Rocket Hadron Enforcer

At least 5C, possibly 5B
looks so ass ngl

 

[Reyne]

So, will we be seeing some ST characters be added to by only slightly deviated varients? Like how EG Thanos is a varient who only deviates by time traveling. I ask this largely because Zombies is just S1Ep5 after a little bit more time (2 weeks + x time). With so many characters stilling kicking, depending upon what they do (no explocit amps, such as how Wanda would be amped through the zombie process heightening her emotional state), I want to know if there's a chance we'll be getting that. Ikaris in particular could be good, as he might simply be damaged and not turned. Regardless, someone like him could get good showings (his being shown solo rather than in a group like the others tells me he might be of some importance; he could be a big gun against someone like CM). Granted, characters like Shang-Chi and Kamala Khan are iffy, as their events took place after the Blip, so their being treated like the ST versions could pose a problem. That is unless SC explicitly does not have Ta Lo technique and Kamala is simply winging it after finding the bangel during the apocalypse. Kate Bishop would be an easier sell, being as she simply need not mention ever meeting Clint.

Prime Red Guardian would be another big one

 

[Jirenoffical]

Well.
Strange Supreme Universe(Within itself)>3 Watchers>Uatu>Guardians with Watcher powers (in a 1v1)>Infinity Ultron>Guardians? Thats what i understand. Also, Fifth dimension being a higher dimensional existence should mean its higher than whole multiverse which is 5D, meaning fifth dimension would be 6D. Whether it sounds funny that "fifth dimension" is 6 dimensional, its a fact now. Also K.E.V.I.N would be 7 dimensional and characters from Fifth Dimension would scale above or at least equal to Loki. Where does Loki and TVA actually exist? Loki is out of multiverse but still isn't in fifth dimension, from what they've shown us Fifth Dimension is far away from multiverse while Loki is in the middle of multiverse even if he's outside of it.
And the place of Kang's from Antman 3 could be in fifth dimension. Or even HWR's place.

 

[Lacku]

Offtopic but the 5-A calc from the Power Stone is going to be removed and will be replaced by High 6-A (average surface wiping). I guess we could try to scale Thanos to "At least High 6-A, likely 5-B" due to him easily crushing the Tesseract which was undamaged from a blow from Eternal Flame Surtur

Why's that? The calc. has been up for years.

 

[RoTt35]

Why's that? The calc. has been up for years.

Here's the thread

 

[Lacku]

Here's the thread

Damn fair enough

 

[darkphantom9805]

I’m pretty sure the implication here is that he didn’t get a “power amp” from Absorbing the Shard. Just the watcher ability to see everything.

Therefore absorbing the Shard =/= Taking the Watcher Oath.

That doesn’t work because ultron season 1 was just much stronger then the Amor uatu who was about to be killed by ultron and uatu was keeping up with eminence

Meaning either season 1 ultron was just flat out stronger or something else is at play here

 

[CrackNet]

That doesn’t work because ultron season 1 was just much stronger then the Amor uatu who was about to be killed by ultron and uatu was keeping up with eminence

Meaning either season 1 ultron was just flat out stronger or something else is at play here

"much stronger" is a weird interpretation of what happened. They fought each other for like 2 or 3 minutes before Uatu lost.

Well.
Strange Supreme Universe(Within itself)>3 Watchers>Uatu>Guardians with Watcher powers (in a 1v1)>Infinity Ultron>Guardians? Thats what i understand. Also, Fifth dimension being a higher dimensional existence should mean its higher than whole multiverse which is 5D, meaning fifth dimension would be 6D. Whether it sounds funny that "fifth dimension" is 6 dimensional, its a fact now. Also K.E.V.I.N would be 7 dimensional and characters from Fifth Dimension would scale above or at least equal to Loki. Where does Loki and TVA actually exist? Loki is out of multiverse but still isn't in fifth dimension, from what they've shown us Fifth Dimension is far away from multiverse while Loki is in the middle of multiverse even if he's outside of it.
And the place of Kang's from Antman 3 could be in fifth dimension. Or even HWR's place.

I disagree with Ultron being weaker than The Watchers when he literally beats Uatu and he was holding down 3 Watchers before he got overpowered

I'll say it again 3 Watchers>Ultron>individual Watchers>individual Exiles

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I'll say it because it needs to be said, this season is a let down.

 

[darkphantom9805]

"much stronger" is a weird interpretation of what happened. They fought each other for like 2 or 3 minutes before Uatu lost.

Ultron was stated to have easily defeated him uatu managed to perform like 0 damage to ultron and ran away from the fight and would’ve been killed had he not run away in fact ultron did more damage to uatu then eminence or any watcher did

 

[Jirenoffical]

I disagree with Ultron being weaker than The Watchers when he literally beats Uatu and he was holding down 3 Watchers before he got overpowered

I'll say it again 3 Watchers>Ultron>individual Watchers>individual Exiles

Infinity Ultron was able to beat Uatu himself in season 1. Now we're at season 3 and it has been 2 seasons. Probably its thousands of years of observing in fifth dimension, even if it is just assuming. I don't think Uatu is dumb enough to interract with a few timelines in an order, it must take a while for other Watchers to get that mad. Uatu could've got stronger by the time passed. We can get that Watchers got stronger by time from other 3 older Watchers are stronger than Uatu. But about the exiles, yeah they probably are weaker than Ultron.

"He was holding down 3 Watchers" nope, they were just standing there. They could've stopped faster, idk why they didn't do tho. They didn't even got a scratch from that attack of Ultron which would probably destroy one if not more timelines.

 

[Raincutter]

I'll say it because it needs to be said, this season is a let down.

This whole show is a let down. They explore interesting turn of events from the films a quarter of the time (What if Ultron won? What if Odin returned Loki?) and then the rest is weird shit no one wanted. Who asked for Darcy and Howard the Duck to have a kid or for Happy Hogan to turn into the Hulk or for T’Challa to become a Mary Sue, etc.

 

[darkphantom9805]

This whole show is a let down. They explore interesting turn of events from the films a quarter of the time (What if Ultron won? What if Odin returned Loki?) and then the rest is weird shit no one wanted. Who asked for Darcy and Howard the Duck to have a kid or for Happy Hogan to turn into the Hulk or for T’Challa to become a Mary Sue, etc.

Nah happy saved Christmas was pretty decent tho the only bad parts of what if are mainly carter and friends the show is supposed to be called what if yet they keep focusing on same characters nobody likes

 

[Raincutter]

Nah happy saved Christmas was pretty decent tho the only bad parts of what if are mainly carter and friends the show is supposed to be called what if yet they keep focusing on same characters nobody likes

Even if they’re interesting, the show could do a lot more than just introducing new characters. 3 seasons without a Spider-Man episode, no episode covering the most obvious stuff (What if Thanos won or the other half died?), but like 4 dedicated to glazing Carter.

This whole show would’ve been better without a meta plot and should’ve stuck to an anthology format with the Watcher imo. It was cool in s1 but it’s way too intrusive now

 

[darkphantom9805]

Even if they’re interesting, the show could do a lot more than just introducing new characters. 3 seasons without a Spider-Man episode, no episode covering the most obvious stuff (What if Thanos won or the other half died?), but like 4 dedicated to glazing Carter.

They obviously can’t do spiderman or they would they only got permission to use him for that 1 zombie episode and that’s it the other half snapped doesn’t work either what if episodes are like 20 minutes max they can’t show stuff like that with such a sort amount of time and time constraints otherwise it will be very mid

We also already know what happens when Thanos wins we have a variant called king Thanos who’s literally just that wins endgame and becomes a multiversal threat

 

[ArkhamDC06]

They obviously can’t do spiderman or they would they only got permission to use him for that 1 zombie episode and that’s it the other half snapped doesn’t work either what if episodes are like 20 minutes max they can’t show stuff like that with such a sort amount of time and time constraints otherwise it will be very mid

We also already know what happens when Thanos wins we have a variant called king Thanos who’s literally just that wins endgame and becomes a multiversal threat

Wasn't it supposed to be the main villain of something?

 

[CrackNet]

Also, Fifth dimension being a higher dimensional existence should mean its higher than whole multiverse which is 5D, meaning fifth dimension would be 6D. Whether it sounds funny that "fifth dimension" is 6 dimensional, its a fact now.

Maybe the scaling on the wiki is wrong and you should probably take what they say in the show as evidence instead of making mental gymnastics of 5D is 6D. If anything it being the 5th dimension kinda proves that the multiverse is 3DS plus 1DT rather than 5D=6D

 

[Raincutter]

They obviously can’t do spiderman or they would they only got permission to use him for that 1 zombie episode and that’s it the other half snapped doesn’t work either what if episodes are like 20 minutes max they can’t show stuff like that with such a sort amount of time and time constraints otherwise it will be very mid

We also already know what happens when Thanos wins we have a variant called king Thanos who’s literally just that wins endgame and becomes a multiversal threat

They’ve already done big concepts like 1602 or Marvel Zombies

King Thanos is from a themepark ride. And they could’ve gone an alternate route and have him get smacked up by the Living Tribunal as was shown in concept art - since they love having him job, he could’ve at least jobbed in an interesting scenario instead of… Infinity Gauntlet Killmonger, Gamora, and… The Collector (really?).

Infinity War alone has like 3 different concepts you could explore like what if Thor killed him or the Avengers got the gauntlet off

 

[darkphantom9805]

King Thanos is from a themepark ride. And they could’ve gone an alternate route and have him get smacked up by the Living Tribunal as was shown in concept art - since they love having him job, he could’ve at least jobbed in an interesting scenario instead of… Infinity Gauntlet Killmonger, Gamora, and… The Collector (really?).

They don’t want to show the living tribunal cause they aren’t ready to introduce him to the mcu they’ve only shown like 2 abstracts so far eternity and death

Infinity War alone has like 3 different concepts you could explore like what if Thor killed him or the Avengers got the gauntlet off

We already have an answer WoG says even if they got the gauntlet off they would’ve lost and he’d get the gauntlet back especially on titan

 

[Raincutter]

They don’t want to show the living tribunal cause they aren’t ready to introduce him to the mcu they’ve only shown like 2 abstracts so far eternity and death

They introduced Storm and the Watcher on this show. I don’t see the big deal.

We already have an answer WoG says even if they got the gauntlet off they would’ve lost and he’d get the gauntlet back especially on titan

It would have been interesting to see, especially since MCU fans have asked that since the film’s release

 

[Damage3245]

Thread 'MCU 5-A Characters Revision'

Sunday at 20:49

It has been decided in this thread that the 5-A calculation for the Power Stone and its associated Sub-Relativistic calculation will be removed and replaced with the default High 6-A calculation for destroying the surface of an Earth-like planet.

The purpose of this thread is to add in the replacement value, and find what value the affected characters should be scaling to.

The characters and weapons directly affected by this change currently are:

• The Orb
• Chitauri Scepter
• Tesseract
• Infinity...

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[darkphantom9805]

So is the observational plane 6d or 7 ?

 

[CrackNet]

So is the observational plane 6d or 7 ?

5D

 

[Jirenoffical]

So is the observational plane 6d or 7 ?

6

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Season 3 was easily the worst but What if?... in general is kind of a mess.

Season 1 is by far the best and not just because of the novelty at the time. Several good episodes (Killmonger, zombie, the first one), one that is among the best stuff super-hero medias have ever produced (Strange) and and epic finale. Infinity Ultron is an amazing villain and a major glow up for MCU Ultron after AoU and Strange Supreme is absolutely amazing. But not everything was great. The T'Challa episode was just there to honor Chadwick which is great and all but nothing more than this and it wasn't that great anyway. Party Thor has an interesting basis (what if Odin returned Loki) but it's just jokes and everything is just a bit too silly for my taste. The way Thanos was treated, a complete joke just there to get curb-stomp so the show can promote new characters and problems, quickly became annoying. I agree he needed to be kind of put aside so we could make way for new plots and antagonists but treating him like fodder was uninteresting.

Season 2 is already less exciting in many ways. A lot of the first episodes are boring or uninteresting. Only the Peter Quill and Happy episodes were kind of cool and the first was a missopportunity that ended up being not particulary different from the second movie in regards to Ego and the second is just a joke. The Sakaar episode was much better since we could see Tony using his skills to adapt to a new environment once again, which makes a good parallel with his time as a hostage of the Ten Rings, but there we get the Hydra Stomper episode which was just boring. Kahhori is a pretty good character and a nice addition to the roster (I also like Native Americans get more focus, it's rare in media even today, even though I'm not one myself) and I liked her episode (though some spanish people and those who care about historical accuracy might disagree with that), Hela and the Ten Rings was fun and the 1602 episode was a pretty interesting one and a nice alternate universe. But the finale destroyed everything for me. This is just pure regression of Strange Supreme's character. All his development goes out of the window and maybe it's just me but it really feels like the writers didn't like how popular Strange Supreme became, to the point people , and they decided to make him the villain to make Captain Carter and Kahhori look better as people. The finale isn't a complete waste but it's honestly very badly done. They could have done anything else, from a Thanos variant to another new threat like Infinity Ultron but they chose a popular character to destroy his development.

Season 3 is, again, the worst and a mess. Take the 1872 episode. Who asked for this? It's useless. Not only did we already have a "our characters are set in a different time period" episode but the cow-boy setting has been done more than once in DC even without Jonah Hex (remember Justice League from the DCAU? Or the recent movie from the Tomorrowverse?). I mean, if you want to get an episode in a past era, why don't you chose something less common? Like maybe the Golden Age of Piracy (and with maybe a cameo of Edward Kenway? No I'm not replaying AC Black Flag, what's making you think that?). Or Ancient Greece or Rome. Heck, why not prehistory? Why not use Avengers 1,000,000 BC as a basis and show a version of our characters who fought in that time (or maybe earlier, like the Ice Age)? Would have been far more original. Same for the Red Guardian episode, nothing really changes in that universe, not unique variant, nothing. The mecha/Apex episodes were good and original but not perfect either. Then you have the Eternals problem. The movie didn't do enough at the box-office so it's unlikely we're gonna hear about them anytime soon. What if would have been a great way to return to these characters outside of the movies or better yet, introduce new Eternals. Nope. The only Eternal we see is Kingo (for me, the less interesting). Two episodes involving Eternals-related stuff and they're barely part of them. Heck, we have an episode where they let the Emergence happen and nothing about them. The Howard the Duck episode was really fun but that's it. And the finale is not as bad as season 2's but not as good as the first one. It's somehow less epic despite the characters and forces involved and its ends on an infuriating note with these variants we'll never see like a Hulk who is apparently also a Master of the Mystic Arts.

Let's take the Agatha episode: most of it is really fun, the idea plays with the story of the MCU and so give us an unexpected twist, we have several characters we know and love who go through interesting changes. But at time, it's rushed and badly put together, theh umor is a bit annoying and the climax is a complete let down and a missed opportunity of doing something truly great and epic. This episode is basically What if?... in a nutshell.

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

What If...? Rankings based on concepts:

Interesting: Doctor Strange Lost His Heart, 1988 Avengers, Kahhori, Hela Banished on Earth, Party Thor, Starlord T'Challa, Iron Man on Sakaar, Avengers Assassination, Mecha Avengers, Hollywood Agatha
Average (These aren't bad, just kind of expected): Captain Carter, Ultron Won, U.S-Wakanda War, Zombies, Russian Roadtrip
******* What: Nova Corps Nebula, 1602, 1872, The Emergence Destroyed the Earth, Happy Hogan Saves Christmas

Rankings based on execution:
Perfect (Maybe you can add some things to these, or you found them boring, but I'd say they felt complete): Doctor Strange Lost His Heart, Kahhori, Avengers Assassination, U.S Wakanda War, Ultron Won, Hollywood Agatha
"Man I sure wish this was its own series and not a 24 minutes long one off": 1988 Avengers, Mecha Avengers, Hela Banished to Earth
Shit Episode, but is getting its own series: Zombies
Fun: Party Thor/Howard-Darcy Romance, Happy Hogan Saves Christmas, 1872, Russian Roadtrip (I almost put this two tier higher, but they really should have explored how this effected the timeline instead of having everything be mostly the same), Iron Man on Sakaar
T'Challa Glazing Fest (Reminder this episode was written even before his passing): Starlord T'Challa
Average: Captain Carter and its sequel, Nova Corps Nebula
**** Ass Shit: The Emergence Destroyed Earth, 1602 (This one barely gets to focus on its concept)

 

[Mvrr]

What If...? Rankings based on concepts:

Interesting: Doctor Strange Lost His Heart, 1988 Avengers, Kahhori, Hela Banished on Earth, Party Thor, Starlord T'Challa, Iron Man on Sakaar, Avengers Assassination, Mecha Avengers, Hollywood Agatha
Average (These aren't bad, just kind of expected): Captain Carter, Ultron Won, U.S-Wakanda War, Zombies, Russian Roadtrip
******* What: Nova Corps Nebula, 1602, 1872, The Emergence Destroyed the Earth, Happy Hogan Saves Christmas

Rankings based on execution:
Perfect (Maybe you can add some things to these, or you found them boring, but I'd say they felt complete): Doctor Strange Lost His Heart, Kahhori, Avengers Assassination, U.S Wakanda War, Ultron Won, Hollywood Agatha
"Man I sure wish this was its own series and not a 24 minutes long one off": 1988 Avengers, Mecha Avengers, Hela Banished to Earth
Shit Episode, but is getting its own series: Zombies
Fun: Party Thor/Howard-Darcy Romance, Happy Hogan Saves Christmas, 1872, Russian Roadtrip (I almost put this two tier higher, but they really should have explored how this effected the timeline instead of having everything be mostly the same), Iron Man on Sakaar
T'Challa Glazing Fest (Reminder this episode was written even before his passing): Starlord T'Challa
Average: Captain Carter and its sequel, Nova Corps Nebula
**** Ass Shit: The Emergence Destroyed Earth, 1602 (This one barely gets to focus on its concept)

Rancid takes, Emergence is one of the best episodes of the entire show and this should've been the bare minimum for the quality of all episodes

 

[Naeem0304]

These two are big evidence for the MCU/Comics continuity.
(Here's the video link)

Interviewer: Yeah, can you tell us a little bit more about that, like who are these characters and where exactly in their do we find them. (In regards to Blair saying that the TVA is full of new people)

Katharyn Blair: They are characters that either don't have a timeline to return to, which we saw in the end of season two, there was an instance where a lot of these timelines got pruned, right. Blown up actually. So they don't have a place to go. So the question is whether or not they want to be rehomed, go somewhere else, find a completely different timeline, find a different, you know, reality for all we know with the MCU but they have chosen instead to stay here (TVA) and try and protect what's left and putting it all in this little Brigade of people who are just trying to keep freedom alive which is really cool. So we have Gambit, and this is a version of Gambit who didn't manage to save Rogue, so he's dealing with his own wounds. And then we have Spider-Gwen, Gwen Stacy, who is unable to return to her timeline, her timeline is still there but it's unable to accommodate her anymore, which is something that's explored in her most recent run, we also have Jimmy Hudson from the Ultimate Universe who is Wolverine's son so that's kind of a fun thing to play with in the TVA. And then we have Captain Carter who kind of comes and goes. She's one of the leaders of the team so she's very boots on the ground in various timelines to make sure things are protected. And we have B15 who we saw in Deadpool and Wolverine, kind of in her new suit, rocking it, has her own office now, so she's helping lead them all, so this team is just trying to honor Loki's sacrifice and trying to find a purpose in their own lives, because like, how do you find a purpose when you have no home, so trying to make a home out of wreckage, out of ashes, out of nothing is kind of a beautiful thing...

• This is the craziest part; she said "find a completely different timeline, find a different, you know, reality for all we know with the MCU but they have chosen instead to stay here" while mentioning the fact that Gwen could not return to her timeline (which is comics 616) because of the issues she caused. Based on this wording, the comics seems to be a part of the MCU.
• Also, given the way Blair worded it, Loki's sacrifice had an impact on both the MCU/Comics universe. Her analogy on the team trying to find a purpose in a home with ashes literally confirms this, as it's a way of saying "we should continue the legacy of the guy who's the whole reason why we're still alive."

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For The Art of Deadpool and Wolverine, they showed a scene in which Deadpool would be hopping across multiverses until getting into the MCU. Andy Park, who was a Marvel Comics cover artist, was the visual development supervisor for the movie. This is what his instagram post says about the scene:

In my last post I was honoring my 1st boss (& creator of Deadpool) in @robliefeld This post I show you how I honored MANY comic book legends during preproduction on working on the DEADPOOL AND WOLVERINE film before there was even a script. I pitched a fun idea where Deadpool would jump through multiverses and arrive at the MCU, Marvel COMICS Universe! And each character would exist in the art style of a legendary comic book artist. Each who have inspired me greatly!

And this is what the actual Art Book of Deadpool and Wolverine said:

Very early on in development , Andy Park created a visual sequence to sell the concept of Deadpool arriving in the Marvel Cinematic Universe . " In the VisDev department , we work on things so early , even before preproduction , " Park says . " Sometimes we're just doing high - level Ideation , blue - sky designs . There was no script - we didn't know what the movie was going to be about . The minimal information we had was that there was going to be some multiversal component , because obviously Deadpool is from a different universe . I came up with one idea that could be in the movie or could be used for marketing . My pitch was a black screen , then the text ' Deadpool enters the MCU , but it goes to this comic book image . And a caption says , ' Marvel Comics Universe , and you see Deadpool swearing , but there's this Comics Code Authority seal covering it up . Because of my background as a Marvel Comics fan and then eventually as a comic book artist , I had to pay homage to my roots with this - so , Captain America is drawn in a Jack Kirby style , Black Widow is drown in a Jim Lee style , Thor is a Walter Simonson style ; Hulk , Sal Buscema ; Iron Man , Mark Bright / Bob Layton ; Hawkeye , John Byrne , and Deadpool , of course , is Rob Liefeld . And , in my pitch , the screen goes to black again , and the text says , " Deadpool enters the MCRU - ond it's revealed as the Marvel Comics Realistic Universe , with this Alex Ross painting that I added Deadpool to . Because , before the movies , Alex Ross was as close as you could get to realism . And Deadpool's in the corner , saying , ' Almost , but not quite . ' And then , finally , we have ' Deadpool enters the Marvel Cinematic Universe , ' and it goes to the iconic shot of the Avengers in the New York bottle , all looking up at the Chitouri , with Deadpool in there , saying , " That's more like it ! It was just a fun idea to convey the concept of Deadpool universe - hopping and how there are a million different ways that Deadpool could come into this universe . It really got the imaginations of everyone firing and thinking up crazy things that could happen with this character in the MCU . "

So the implication is that the comics universe is a different timeline/multiverse from these two sources.

 

[Excellence616]

One thing is that if MCU main earth claims they are Earth 616, and Marvel Comics main earth is also 616, how can they have same earth number?

 

[Damage3245]

One thing is that if MCU main earth claims they are Earth 616, and Marvel Comics main earth is also 616, how can they have same earth number?

Same way there can be one Michael Douglas while there's also another Michael Douglas.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

These two are big evidence for the MCU/Comics continuity.
(Here's the video link)

Yeah um. Dang. This is really huge.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Btw where do Byrdie and Goddess of Thunder Storm scale? I know Byrdie is bare minimum >>>>>> Thanos (and maybe even Zeus level) while Storm should at least scale to Pre-Awakening Thor, but is there anything that comfortably puts the two any higher?