MCU Love & Thunder Spoiler Thread

[KLOL506]

That's not what I meant, creating a star using energy is 4-B based on this

That needs explicit references to mass-energy conversion being actually used.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

watched the movie for the first time. Decent movie, fun, simple. Feat was disappointing but i don't care. Thor is now a dad and that's great. Thor gets mind hax by knocking people out by flashing his massive d

Or would that be empathic manip?

 

[RoTt35]

That needs explicit references to mass-energy conversion being actually used.

Arishem states that the universe is a constant exchange of energy and an infinite cycle of creation and destruction, where the Celestials use that energy to create suns, generating gravity, heat and light like IRL, we also know that Arishem can create antimatter and that the VFX team drew on astrophysics to make the Celestials scenes. What other references are needed?

 

[NHTkenshin2]

4-B thor?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

If Thor becomes 4-B.

I will done MCU THOR vs Brynnie Bratton, to see how the god of Thunder is destroyed be a little girl of 9 years

 

[KLOL506]

4-B thor?

No.

 

[KLOL506]

If Thor becomes 4-B.

I will done MCU THOR vs Brynnie Bratton, to see how the god of Thunder is destroyed be a little girl of 9 years

Unfortunately that's not happening. We need explicit confirmation that the suns are created via mass-energy creation. They need to say it directly like this.

"They create suns through mass-energy conversion". If this isn't present, it's a no-go.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Unfortunately that's not happening. We need explicit confirmation that the suns are created via mass-energy creation. They need to say it directly like this.

"They create suns through mass-energy conversion". If this isn't present, it's a no-go.

I know, but I would like to see high 4-C Thor, so i could put him to fight Superheroe squad characters

 

[RoTt35]

Unfortunately that's not happening. We need explicit confirmation that the suns are created via mass-energy creation. They need to say it directly like this.

"They create suns through mass-energy conversion". If this isn't present, it's a no-go.

The feat literally meets all the requirements with the exception that Arishem doesn't say "Celestials create suns through mass-energy conversion", that can't be used for a possibly at least?

Likewise the Celestials should be High 4-C because this video states that they are the progenitors of the universe as we know it and they used their energy to create the building blocks (suns) of all of life across the cosmos, Arishem also says that without the Celestials the universe would fall into darkness and all life would die

 

[KLOL506]

The feat literally meets all the requirements with the exception that Arishem doesn't say "Celestials create suns through mass-energy conversion", that can't be used for a possibly at least?

Unfortunately, no, we don't grant "possibly" ratings based on that alone. That's just how strict our mass-energy conversion standards are.

Likewise the Celestials should be High 4-C because this video states that they are the progenitors of the universe as we know it and they used their energy to create the building blocks (suns) of all of life across the cosmos, Arishem also says that without the Celestials the universe would fall into darkness and all life would die.

At best this just warrants a "possibly higher" rating IMHO. For all we know, the stars could've grown to such size on their own given that each of these stars had enough gravity to forge their own galaxies without further assistance from the Celestials.

 

[RoTt35]

At best this just warrants a "possibly higher" rating IMHO. For all we know, the stars could've grown to such size on their own given that each of these stars had enough gravity to forge their own galaxies without further assistance from the Celestials.

Arishem says that the Celestials create suns to form new galaxies, not that each of those suns can have enough gravity to forge their own galaxies. This is the full statement:

Our universe is a constant exchange of energy. An infinite cycle of creation and destruction. Celestials use energy gathered from host planets to create suns, generating gravity, heat and light, for new galaxies to form. Without us, our universe will fall into darkness, all life would die.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Thought about something, didn't Thor said Zeus was the oldest god?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

yes

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Isn't it weird cause if we count Celestials as the same kind of god then...

 

[RoTt35]

I don't think it includes the Celestials as otherwise it would imply that Zeus has existed since before creation and the 6 singularities

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Hope so

In any case, that means he's even older than Odin, the Ennead and all the others

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I mean only gods are allowed in omnipotent city soooo…

 

[RoTt35]

Well, the two Celestials could have been born after the Big Bang, like Tiamut

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Well, the two Celestials could have been born after the Big Bang, like Tiamut

True

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Well, the two Celestials could have been born after the Big Bang, like Tiamut

It's more than likely that many Celestials were born after

 

[RoTt35]

This video about the Eternals VFX confirms that the Celestial was creating a galaxy

 

[RoTt35]

I also found these articles stating that the Celestials are capable of building entire galaxies from scratch and that they are larger than galaxies, and this interview confirms that photographs of galaxies were used for the Celestials scene. There's also this article saying that the VFX team created suns, galaxies, black holes, supernovas and the Big Bang

 

[ArkhamDC06]

The building entire galaxies from scratch thing doesn't necessarily mean directly creating galaxies themselves, it can easily be interpretated as simply creating them piece by piece (aka star by star) but the rest looks pretty solid

 

[RoTt35]

The building entire galaxies from scratch thing doesn't necessarily mean directly creating galaxies themselves, it can easily be interpretated as simply creating them piece by piece (aka star by star) but the rest looks pretty solid

That statement refers to this scene, it basically supports that the Celestial is creating a galaxy

 

[NHTkenshin2]

I believe the entire “size matters with celestials" argument has been debunked?

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Tier 3 Celestials would have to be accepted first lmao

 

[Propellus]

Tier 3 Celestials would have to be accepted first lmao

That's probably gonna be derailed to oblivion lol

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

That's probably gonna be derailed to oblivion lol

FR LMAO

 

[RoTt35]

Let's see it

 

[Propellus]

Oh boy

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

This is either going to very well or very poorly. There is NO in between

 

[Propellus]

Good luck on the thread though, although I don't know if you're going to make it out alive with the results it's likely going to receive. I'll watch the thread if anything.

 

[KLOL506]

I also found these articles stating that the Celestials are capable of building entire galaxies from scratch and that they are larger than galaxies, and this interview confirms that photographs of galaxies were used for the Celestials scene. There's also this article saying that the VFX team created suns, galaxies, black holes, supernovas and the Big Bang

BRUH

 

[KLOL506]

The building entire galaxies from scratch thing doesn't necessarily mean directly creating galaxies themselves, it can easily be interpretated as simply creating them piece by piece (aka star by star) but the rest looks pretty solid

Technically speaking if they're galaxy sized, then the stars they're shown to make would also be way, way larger than anything we know of (Black hole territory possibly). And the stars forging its own galaxies? Well, it'd no longer be in the realm of outliers. So this is indeed big.

Ironically it'd make the 4-A feats that much more consistent.

 

[Z's_Universe]

Technically speaking if they're galaxy sized, then the stars they're shown to make would also be way, way larger than anything we know of (Black hole territory possibly). And the stars forging its own galaxies? Well, it'd no longer be in the realm of outliers. So this is indeed big.

Ironically it'd make the 4-A feats that much more consistent.

Ooohhh boy RoT what have you done?! XD

 

[RoTt35]

Technically speaking if they're galaxy sized, then the stars they're shown to make would also be way, way larger than anything we know of (Black hole territory possibly). And the stars forging its own galaxies? Well, it'd no longer be in the realm of outliers. So this is indeed big.

One of the articles claims that the VFX team created black holes, so...

 

[KLOL506]

One of the articles claims that the VFX team created black holes, so...

BRUH

 

[NHTkenshin2]

So even if 3-C is not accepted, we have 4-B
Also, again, are these articles WOGs?

 

[RoTt35]

So even if 3-C is not accepted, we have 4-B
Also, again, are these articles WOGs?

The first two no so they are used as a very small support, the videos and the interview yes, basically everything about the VFX is WoG

 

[NHTkenshin2]

The first two no so they are used as a very small support, the videos and the interview yes, basically everything about the VFX is WoG

Yes the VFX is definitely WOG
I didn't know we can use random articles as WOG on here.