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For Hela she was drawing strength from Asgard, so its possible she didn't have that against Odin.
Though him defeating Eternal Flames Surtur is evidence that he's stronger or has better magical abilites at his disposal.
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Though him defeating Eternal Flames Surtur is evidence that he's stronger or has better magical abilites at his disposal.
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Why wouldn't she have it against him? It was stated to be an innate ability of hers iirc. I think Odin himself even says so.
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I have zero memory of this. Hela is the true heir of Asgard and draws power from it once Odin was gone sure. But there wasn't an indication that's how it always was.
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They're both in Tier 8 tho
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I don't really remember Cap outmuscling Tony in the fight, besides Iron Man's going through a shitton of (very justified) CIS in that fight
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Odin says it here at around 3:05. He says that he couldn't stop her, so her imprisoned her, and that she draws her strength from Asgard.
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Cap couldn't dent into IM's armor but he definitely had the LS advantage and literally lifted Tony above his head with ease before tossing him down to the ground hard.
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I mean, lifting someone isn't beating them in LS, and he did quite literally dent the armor, though not much more.
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I agree with Uchiha, although do we know that Hela was on Asgard when he banished her???
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I don't remember it being specified tbh.
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Wait, he did it with his punches? Maybe those dents were miniscule.
Also, Iron Man before getting tossed wasn't able to keep up with either Cap or WS (In both cases when Tony was going one-on-one with them he wasn't able to escape their chokeholds without relying on repulsor blasts to knock them off) in a straight-up beatdown without letting Friday do the work for him.
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There was no real indication where she got banished, so we may have a dead end for this part.
Then again, Odin defeated Surtur, who is Cleary way stronger than either hela or Thor, so I don't think Thor being "stronger" than odin means he is literally stronger
Then again, Odin defeated Surtur, who is Cleary way stronger than either hela or Thor, so I don't think Thor being "stronger" than odin means he is literally stronger
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Damn never noticed it was actually his organic arm.
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Yeah Cap and Bucky mostly physically damaged Iron Man with their shield and arm only, but was able to overpower him in close quarters grappling, or a burst of speed and skill as Iron Man seemed to mostly engage in boxing moves before using FRIDAY, which makes sense cuz he's far less skilled than the two. When Iron Man used repulser blasts they were significantly in pain too.
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Yep, it's his right arm alright. Another fun fact, while his metal arm was busy ripping out Arc Reactor from Tony, his right hand was busy facepalming Tony into the wall. IM literally couldn't do shit other than rely on his Arc Reactor to blow the metal arm off.
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Nah, I meant that I don't recall Cap and Bucky denting IM with their bare hands (As in, Cap and Bucky both using their flesh hands without anything else to assist them), but there is that once scene where Cap keeps punching IM to the floor with his hands (The first punch lands on the left side of Tony's face and still seems to be able to stagger Iron Man a bit) before using the shield to crack it open (The shield denting happens on the right side of IM's face).
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Regardless of the conclusion of the LS topic, it doesn't change anything about Strange and Thanos considering that Strange used like a billion duplicates to help (and honestly fail to) restrain Thanos, so Strange couldn't scale either way considering it was a dogpile.
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Yeah, I also don't think strange should be 6-C, giving Thanos a hard fight doesn't mean much since he used hax for all of his attacks and Thanos was most likely holding back to get the time stone.
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Bucky without the metal arm is probably a bit weaker than Cap? Since his was a beta version of the Serum
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I honestly think so, but only slightly, he still was able to give cap a good fight without the arm
Although, how Bucky scales to cap is irrelevant, let's finish up the tiering scaling and Iron Man
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Anyway yeah I can agree with Strange being High 7-A
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The scaling seems fine to me. Iron Man can stay at where he is tbh imo.
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Baseline 6-C: Thanos (for obv reasons), IW Thor with Stormbreaker, Captain Marvel (Full Power), Hela (possibly), Odin (he should still be stronger than IW Thor), Surtur (Only his Prime State), IW and Endgame Scarlet Witch.
High 7-A (3.77 Gigatons): Awakened and Endgame Thor (direct feat) [higher with both weapons], Post IW Doctor Strange, Thanos Forces (Ebony Maw and Cull Obsidian only), Mjolnir Cap, Sakaar Training and Professor Hulk as well as Hulkbuster 2.0, Bleeding Edge and Mark 85 Iron Man, Ant-Man (Giant-Man), Rescue (Comparable to Bleeding Edge Armor).
So I'm guessing this it?
High 7-A (3.77 Gigatons): Awakened and Endgame Thor (direct feat) [higher with both weapons], Post IW Doctor Strange, Thanos Forces (Ebony Maw and Cull Obsidian only), Mjolnir Cap, Sakaar Training and Professor Hulk as well as Hulkbuster 2.0, Bleeding Edge and Mark 85 Iron Man, Ant-Man (Giant-Man), Rescue (Comparable to Bleeding Edge Armor).
So I'm guessing this it?
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I believe this is it, with the exception that Stormbreaker is 6-C i think
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Should I make it High 7-A for Awakened, IW and Endgame Thor physically and 6-C with Stormbreaker, and higher with both Stormbreaker and Mjolnir?
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Idk for Mjolnir, some people would argue Cap with it is 6-C but I don't agree, anyway yeah for the rest
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I meant, a higher rating for Thor when using both Mjolnir and Stormbreaker. Mjolnir would definitely be High 7-A.
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Mjolnir Cap gets the power of Thor so it would be whatever tier Thor is. Thor with both would be higher I guess? But wouldn’t it only apply to when he hits Mjolnir with Stormbreaker?
Strange shouldn’t get High 7-A since he has no feats for it. The only thing brought up for him was his restraints needing Thanos to use the Stones but not only is that lifting and not AP, it was also when he dogpiled him with a hundred copies and Thanos still closed his fist. Compare this to later where he uses the larger bands with the whole team and Thanos instantly yeeted him so even that doesn’t scale unless he spams shadow clones.
Strange shouldn’t get High 7-A since he has no feats for it. The only thing brought up for him was his restraints needing Thanos to use the Stones but not only is that lifting and not AP, it was also when he dogpiled him with a hundred copies and Thanos still closed his fist. Compare this to later where he uses the larger bands with the whole team and Thanos instantly yeeted him so even that doesn’t scale unless he spams shadow clones.
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Yeah, this looks great to me.
I also agree that Iron Man should stay where he's at.
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Ok, the only thing left to discuss is Strange. Is he High 7-A or High 7-C? around 0:50, Strange on his own was pulling Thanos Gauntlet off which Thanos somewhat struggled to pull back and around 1:35, he was pulling Thanos right arm on his own, while Iron Man and Spider-Man were pulling the Gauntlet. Also, his shields took attacks from physical strikes of Thanos.
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Already added it
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You can argue that Captain America had a combination of his previous strength, although it's kinda negligible, so it's more so ridiculously good fighting skills idk.
Maybe it would only apply to Captain America using Mjolnir or shield (with his new strength amp)?
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I mean if we make the telekinetic guy High 7-A Strange should be too
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I'd say Strange scales to him. It was more of one powerset being better than another, in that scenario.
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Thanos was kinda jobbing the first half of the fight for everyone tbh.
And also Thanos was mentally sedated at 1:35, which is why he couldn't break Strange's grip then, but once freed by Quill, he casually tossed Strange to the horizon.
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Thanos was canonically jobbing, the Russos said he didn't wanna kill anyone there and he could have just turned everyone into salami with the Stone at any moment if he wanted to, but we still scale Stark to him since he made him bleed, even though that was just a scratch after a lot of attacks, if we're being so generous with him we should be for Strange too
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If you let yourself be pulled by a toddler than the toddler could certainly pull your arm.
I don't think you can lower your durability to have your skin cut by a punch though.
I wouldn't want to scale Iron Man to Thanos for that reason, but it makes a lot more sense than scaling for lifting strength, especially when the lifting strength has two contradictions to it during the nonjobbing half of the fight, unlike Iron Man.
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A toddler could also cut me, if i let him, the lil' ************* bite
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