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I just read Master Hands brawl trophy and at most it say's Master Hand has a secret hidden power, but nothing really that implies that he holds back.
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Master Hand and Tabuu downgrades
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I liked to point out that the Master Hands that Galeem are controlling all explode when defeated except one which is instead stated in the game to have been freed from Galeem's control and then helps you fight against Galeem. So their likely copies made by Galeem with only one being original
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https://youtu.be/39MKuEn6f14?t=46162 and Crazy Hand's is at https://youtu.be/39MKuEn6f14?t=47170
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https://youtu.be/ys4YIaNDBfU?t=663 - The first Master Hand is defeated, and explodes. (There are two fake Master Hands and four fake Crazy Hands fought total, which all explode after defeat)YuriAkuto said:
https://youtu.be/ys4YIaNDBfU?t=2206 - The real Master Hand is defeated, and broken out of Galeem's control.
https://youtu.be/ys4YIaNDBfU?t=2378 - The real Crazy Hand is defeated, and broken out of Dharkon's control.
https://youtu.be/ys4YIaNDBfU?t=2408 - Master Hand and Crazy Hand open a rift to Galeem and Dharkon. Master Hand enters and, in a section where Master Hand temporarily becomes playable, defeats fifty of the pair's cloned fighters.
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I'm not an expert, but what I understood so far of the Smash lore is:
Child has toys, and he imagines his hand giving life to them and even possibly creating the world of trophies separated from the "real world" (as MH's description says). After a while his left hand joins as well, but who cares?
Then, in Brawl, someone manages to subdue and defeat MH.This is just speculatio Tabuu may just be the child's father who wanted him to stop playing in the wonderful world of trophy, the childhood, destroying it and slowly transforming it into the Subspace, a desolate universe which represents adulthood, forcing the kid to throw away his toys, represented as MH being controlled by Tabuu Okay, what drug did I take to write this thing?. The point is, Tabuu can very well just be an another person from the real world.
Child has toys, and he imagines his hand giving life to them and even possibly creating the world of trophies separated from the "real world" (as MH's description says). After a while his left hand joins as well, but who cares?
Then, in Brawl, someone manages to subdue and defeat MH.
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@Assalt. Stop taking everything separately like they aren't interrelated with the same character. It's clear cut if you stop treating these as individual points. If everything had to be as concrete as you want, we'd have no 1-As.
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Well, way less 1-As, but ye
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Where does all this information come from?
Is it the trophy descriptions? If so, then shouldn't they be disregarded in the same manner that databook descriptions are disregarded when they contradict the source.
In this case, every character in the roster being able to defeat the supposed "God" of the world, in every game.
And in the World of Light trailer, Marth said that they need to each defeat about ten, implying that he believed them capable of such a feat.
Master Hand doesn't seem to be this "absolute" creator or anything, and if he was in a previous installment, then he may have been retconned.
Is it the trophy descriptions? If so, then shouldn't they be disregarded in the same manner that databook descriptions are disregarded when they contradict the source.
In this case, every character in the roster being able to defeat the supposed "God" of the world, in every game.
And in the World of Light trailer, Marth said that they need to each defeat about ten, implying that he believed them capable of such a feat.
Master Hand doesn't seem to be this "absolute" creator or anything, and if he was in a previous installment, then he may have been retconned.
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Probably Game Theory I remember they had an episode like that, I dread what stuff he will come up for with the Ultimate theory he has next week, though it hard to think of anything he can do with Galeem and Dharkon considering they completely revolve around a stereotypical battle of Light/Order and Dark/Chaos which wouldn't be a theory considering they wear it on their sleeves.PaChi2 said:
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Even if that lore statement about the master hand viewing the fighterz as toys is true, it really just sounds metaphorical more than anything. Viewing individual 3D beings as toys is very different from viewing them as lower dimensional/actual fiction. And on top of that, it would be totally contradictory if he viewed everything in smash as fiction or as his playground and yet he can be hurt and beaten by said beings. Plus viewing 3D beings as actual fiction would only be high universal.
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@Cal
Saying "we are beyond all spatial dimensions" is different than "I am the ruler of this world," when the latter means zilch without a feat. Honestly I don't know why you even mention 1-A since I don't mean there can't be statements, they just have to be statements that make sense and aren't hyperbole/mean nothing.
Also, no, it is not obvious/clear cut even if you take those statements at face value, and you constantly asserting such doesn't make it any more true from my perspective.
Saying "we are beyond all spatial dimensions" is different than "I am the ruler of this world," when the latter means zilch without a feat. Honestly I don't know why you even mention 1-A since I don't mean there can't be statements, they just have to be statements that make sense and aren't hyperbole/mean nothing.
Also, no, it is not obvious/clear cut even if you take those statements at face value, and you constantly asserting such doesn't make it any more true from my perspective.
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The Smashers do beat Galeem, but they never fight Galeem at full power. The context being that Galeem needed to absorb hundreds of Master Hands to pull off that galaxy wipe and he never uses that move again, especially not in your actual fight against him.Assaltwaffle said:
They do end up beating Galeem even though Galeem is powerful enough to subdue and control hundreds of Master Hands at once. I'd also like to point out that the fact that hundreds of Master Hands exist simultaneously contradicts him being a singular universe creator.
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Here's Galeem's profile, look the "Feats" section. The game says universe, that's what he crushed/consumed.
I had to put him those stats, but I still disagree with them.
I had to put him those stats, but I still disagree with them.
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And Galeem ia above him and his best feat is probably galactic.
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@EficienteDominodalek said:
I have to point this out because of how his profile mentions he doesn't directly control Master Hand, also I think all but the original Master Hand are probably clones and should be mentioned in duplication.
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Those are obviously more of the fake Crazy Hands Dharkon makes considering how they working for it despite the original siding against it and just freeing the originals wouldn't just cause all of their copies to just destroy themselves.Zensum said:
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You free the Master and Crazy Hands that work against Dharkon/Galeem. There's no contradiction here.Everything12 said:
just freeing the originals wouldn't just cause all of their copies to just destroy themselves.
They don't destroy themselves. Dharkon and Galeem destroy them all while fighting each other. Again, no contradiction.
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Don't know if this was discussed, but in the Smash Direct Sakurai mentioned Master Hand being the thing setting everything into motion
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Never mind. It was just that all the world is the imagination of master hand
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You Eficiente said:
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You want to get banned? That is how people get banned
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^ExodusNexus said:
This is literally a Low 2-C feat.
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I showed you evidence. It took me 2 minutes.Eficiente said:
Plus, when Master Hand dies in the game, the character turns into a trophy and the screen turns white and everything seem to fall apart (In Melee they show up in a normal room and so in 64, and as you can see in the intro, it is a normal room). In Subspace Emissary, when a character "dies" they turn into trophies, that means Master Hand by dying caused the universe and its logic to fall apart
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By what exactly? Subspace is separated from the world of trophies.
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Subspace Emissary is the story mode of Super Smash Bros Brawl, read
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MH just animates a small stage, not the already existing universe.
>"Plus, when Master Hand dies in the game, the character turns into a trophy and the screen turns white and everything seem to fall apart (In Melee they show up in a normal room and so in 64, and as you can see in the intro, it is a normal room)"
Not as if this were Low 2-C. Or consistent, even if it were.
>"In Subspace Emissary, when a character "dies" they turn into trophies, that means Master Hand by dying caused the universe and its logic to fall apart"
This is much a massive jump of assumptions.
>"Plus, when Master Hand dies in the game, the character turns into a trophy and the screen turns white and everything seem to fall apart (In Melee they show up in a normal room and so in 64, and as you can see in the intro, it is a normal room)"
Not as if this were Low 2-C. Or consistent, even if it were.
>"In Subspace Emissary, when a character "dies" they turn into trophies, that means Master Hand by dying caused the universe and its logic to fall apart"
This is much a massive jump of assumptions.
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The toys had no life before MH showed up, and no the entire Smash Bros universe exists at the same time... your argument falls apart on the spot. Now let's use your own logic, how do you think Subspace Emissary happened? Stop using this fallacy, it makes you look badEficiente said:
The trophy states it, the intro shows it, the ending of classic mode implies it.Eficiente said:
Ad hominem as its finest.Eficiente said:
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