Mash Calculation Stacking

[AnAverageUsername]

Does Chapter 78 show the scene that occurred when Domina was a child, or does it show some time that Domina killed the Visionaries as an adult?

It's a scene where it shows Domina in the present during that chapter, ie probably 15 since he isnt that much older than Mash, very casually beating 3 visionary candidates. Which means those 3 were scheduled to go along and compete for the Wand of Begginings, which cements you as a divine visionary.

 

[Agnaa]

Then I think KLOL is misunderstanding.

The actual proof that it was also a blitz and not just just a brute-force attempt is 12 chapters before the speed statement comes in

78 is just evidence. But it does show the story confirming this scaling to be legit within the verse.

These statements sound like KLOL thinks that 78 is that flashback.

Since it isn't, I'd say that 78 isn't proof that it's a blitz. 15 y/o Domina blitzing Visionaries does not prove that child Domina's off-screen attack on Visionaries also involved a blitz. And so the scaling does, in fact, require going back to chapter 78 to be substantiated.

 

[KLOL506]

Then I think KLOL is misunderstanding.

The actual proof that it was also a blitz and not just just a brute-force attempt is 12 chapters before the speed statement comes in

78 is just evidence. But it does show the story confirming this scaling to be legit within the verse.

These statements sound like KLOL thinks that 78 is that flashback.

Since it isn't, I'd say that 78 isn't proof that it's a blitz. 15 y/o Domina blitzing Visionaries does not prove that child Domina's off-screen attack on Visionaries also involved a blitz. And so the scaling does, in fact, require going back to chapter 78 to be substantiated.

No, I never stated that I thought 78 to be a flashback, because I saw the chapter and I know it isn't one. I only said that 78 would sort of serve at legitimizing Levis's story of Kid Domina vs Visionaries as most likely involving blitzes.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

No, I never stated that I thought 78 to be a flashback, because I saw the chapter and I know it isn't one. I only said that 78 would sort of serve at legitimizing Levis's story of Kid Domina vs Visionaries as most likely involving blitzes.

Was just about to say this in your defense, lol

 

[Agnaa]

As you said, the older Domina is likely faster.

Why would a faster character blitzing prove that they also blitzed when they were slower?

 

[KLOL506]

As you said, the older Domina is likely faster.

Why would a faster character blitzing prove that they also blitzed when they were slower?

Could be due to Levis straight up saying that he's seen what kind of damage Domina can do which means he knows Domina's fighting patterns.

 

[Agnaa]

I don't really understand how that correlates to the topic at hand.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

As you said, the older Domina is likely faster.

Why would a faster character blitzing prove that they also blitzed when they were slower?

Because, from what has been said before and from my memory, it was said that Domina took out some DV's? Which would mean Domima casually blitzing 3 candidates before they could realize would be evidence? Something like that I guess

 

[Agnaa]

The statement that I saw is just that he took out one DV so bad that there was no hope for them. Nothing about it being too fast to realize, or about multiple being taken out.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

The statement that I saw is just that he took out one DV so bad that there was no hope for them. Nothing about it being too fast to realize, or about multiple being taken out.

So one DV as a child. He beat them so badly, they had no chance, no hope. That's what I'm getting at
Also, just remembered that at some other point, during an intermission before the final stage of the exam began, where Mash finally fought Domina, Domina was easily evading 2 Divine Visionaries while they were chasing after him. I feel like this just adds more evidence, but if you want a chapter, then I can give it.

 

[Agnaa]

That may satisfy some, so it's probably worth posting, but I'm not happy with any scaling needing to be done between the stated speed feat and the calc.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

One moment, please...

I present to yall the chapter

Also, eyyyy, damage reduction via aura

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

AnAverage
Why
Why did you complicate everything?

EVERYTHING below chapter 90 can be ignored in this calculation, what should be discussed is between 90 and 96. There is no reason to bring in feats of Domina defeating Visionary candidates, this at most a support, there is no need to mention here since most have not read the manga. People will simply be saying "Uh, why is that relevant?" or at worst, understand nothing and ends up confusing things. To get an idea, no visionary candidate that Domina has won in chapter 76 scales to transonic; So please, NO ONE needs to look for feats from previous chapters which are not even good at anything here (Sure, some context like "Domina is above everything" is fine)

Domina's Third Line being faster than the Railgun has already been proven in a comment of mine, but apparently everyone ignored and started looking at things from various and various past chapters

So it seems like we're left with Levis < Visionaries < Domina, and that scaling is based off of an off-screen fight done as a kid,

And I still genuinely want to understand where someone got that from. There is nothing "off-screen" about it. Literally nothing, this thing about Domina defeating a visionary as a child is simply a support, A SUPPORT. This is not even close to the main argument.

Jesus, how I hate this kind of discussion. No one who is wanting to argue really knows anything about the history of verse and the whole thing is just a silly quiz

 

[AnAverageUsername]

AnAverage
Why
Why did you complicate everything?

Hey hey hey, as the others have said, it brings in some nice supporting evidence. Think about it

Supporting evidence that shows Domina is casually faster than Visionary Candidates, faster than Divine Visionaries who've presumably been in the game for years. And considering Levis stated that his railgun can match the Divine Visionaries, this should be great evidence to show that yes, Levis wasn't joking when he said Domina is an absolute monster, or something along those lines.

 

[WrongIdea21]

Why we still arguing this?
what else needs to be proven here? Domina has been shown to be way above the Visionary Divine Candidates, both in terms of speed and strength, even when it comes to strength, he can withstand 2 Divine Visionaries without casting his Second Spell. don't ask why this is relevant, of course it is. If you want a scan I can bring it if you ask for it.

The main problem here is why this is would be a calc stacking?, we just Assuming Domina Water Spears to be equal as Levi's Railgun ( even though this is a lowball).

 

[KLOL506]

That may satisfy some, so it's probably worth posting, but I'm not happy with any scaling needing to be done between the stated speed feat and the calc.

You could always swap the 8000 kmh speed for the water jets.

 

[Panache_x]

Why we still arguing this?
what else needs to be proven here? Domina has been shown to be way above the Visionary Divine Candidates, both in terms of speed and strength, even when it comes to strength, he can withstand 2 Divine Visionaries without casting his Second Spell. don't ask why this is relevant, of course it is. If you want a scan I can bring it if you ask for it.

The main problem here is why this is would be a calc stacking?, we just Assuming Domina Water Spears to be equal as Levi's Railgun ( even though this is a lowball).

That's nothing close to calc stacking
It's just the desperation of peeps wanting to downgrade that's bringing up the ideology

It's a stated speed which another was related to for obvious and solid reasons
All I see is a single Relativity and a calc

 

[WrongIdea21]

That's nothing close to calc stacking
It's just the desperation of peeps wanting to downgrade that's bringing up the ideology

It's a stated speed which another was related to for obvious and solid reasons
All I see is a single Relativity and a calc

Don't even say that tho, It's normal for those who haven't read the manga to questioning this.
anyway the proof that the panels were frozen was explained above by me and there would be no problem using snail speed.
The true speed of the Water Spear object can be compared to Levi's Railgun's speed as a Lowball (people like things safe, right?).
Then the distance multiplied by the Tens of thousand which I think will be consistent with the number of punches that got launched by Mash which is 65k times (I recommend 45k because it sounds a little closer).

 

[Panache_x]

Don't even say that tho, It's normal for those who haven't read the manga to questioning this.
anyway the proof that the panels were frozen was explained above by me and there would be no problem using snail speed.
The true speed of the Water Spear object can be compared to Levi's Railgun's speed as a Lowball (people like things safe, right?).
Then the distance multiplied by the Tens of thousand which I think will be consistent with the number of punches that got launched by Mash which is 65k times (I recommend 45k because it sounds a little closer).

Sure
If scans and accurate explanations were dropped by u...then I think it's wrapped up
No calc stacking whatsoever

 

[AnAverageUsername]

We still need commentary from KLOL and Agnaa though, to see their thoughts. We have plenty of time in the world, no time to rush.

 

[KLOL506]

I'd say to resolve the issue of distance moved by Mash's afterimage distance trails first, then we can discuss the semantics of using the 8000 kmh statement or using water jet speeds as a reliable end instead.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I'd say to resolve the issue of distance moved by Mash's afterimage distance trails first, then we can discuss the semantics of using the 8000 kmh statement or using water jet speeds as a reliable end instead.

There was also a thing about how when Domina was amped by the Wand of Begginings in the final part of the fight, he was firing off water lasers or something like that. I forgot the whole gist of it, but food for thought.

 

[Agnaa]

Domina's Third Line being faster than the Railgun has already been proven in a comment of mine, but apparently everyone ignored and started looking at things from various and various past chapters

That's the stuff that was already talked about in the OP and the first part of this thread. Railgun < Mash < Domina.

And I still genuinely want to understand where someone got that from. There is nothing "off-screen" about it. Literally nothing, this thing about Domina defeating a visionary as a child is simply a support, A SUPPORT. This is not even close to the main argument.

That was shifted to being used instead because it's a scaling chain with (potentially) fewer steps, which would make people more likely to accept it.

The main problem here is why this is would be a calc stacking?, we just Assuming Domina Water Spears to be equal as Levi's Railgun ( even though this is a lowball).

Because you're taking speed statements from another scene, scaling it through characters, and using that in a calc, which drops its reliability in a way that we call "calc stacking". I explained this all in the OP. Out of the calc group members who commented, Spinosaurus and Damage agreed, Armorchompy didn't know, CloverDragon disagreed, and KLOL has had a changing position.

I'd say to resolve the issue of distance moved by Mash's afterimage distance trails first, then we can discuss the semantics of using the 8000 kmh statement or using water jet speeds as a reliable end instead.

Y'all can do this, but I'm not really interested in that sorta minutiae, I care more about broader wiki policies than specific distance assumptions for one verse's calc.

 

[Arkenis]

interesting

 

[AnAverageUsername]

interesting

Don't be surprised. Speed in Mashle gets wacked around like a ping pong ball every month.

 

[WrongIdea21]

Because you're taking speed statements from another scene, scaling it through characters, and using that in a calc, which drops its reliability in a way that we call "calc stacking". I explained this all in the OP. Out of the calc group members who commented, Spinosaurus and Damage agreed, Armorchompy didn't know, CloverDragon disagreed, and KLOL has had a changing position.

We need more calc grup staff then.

Another Calc Method for this feat should works, like mine.
From now on I'm neutral about the calc stacking things, I recommend discussing the distance in the general discussion thread.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

So, uh, bump?

 

[Agnaa]

Bump??

 

[The_Impress]

Can you draw a consensus rn, Agnaa, with the inpu you've received by staff thus far?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Can we wait for the verse profiles to be created first?

 

[The_Impress]

why so? that's just more work updating later then

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Not OP, but it seems like the only things that would need to be worked out are which panels to use and the timeframe? At least that's what I got from reading the last page of the thread?

 

[WrongIdea21]

Not OP, but it seems like the only things that would need to be worked out are which panels to use and the timeframe? At least that's what I got from reading the last page of the thread?

I thought we agree using Frozen timeframe, the thing is which Method we gonna use, KLoL Method is almost Impossible rn.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I thought we agree using Frozen timeframe, the thing is which Method we gonna use, KLoL Method is almost Impossible rn.

I forget words sometimes

 

[Epiccheev]

I forget words sometimes

01101101 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101111 01101111

 

[Agnaa]

Not OP, but it seems like the only things that would need to be worked out are which panels to use and the timeframe? At least that's what I got from reading the last page of the thread?

This is ultra-wrong.

Can you draw a consensus rn, Agnaa, with the inpu you've received by staff thus far?

Out of the calc group members who commented, Spinosaurus and Damage agreed that it was calc stacking, Armorchompy didn't know, CloverDragon disagreed, and KLOL has had a changing position, but has recently settled on disagreeing I think. So their input is split right down the middle.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Spinosaurus used reasoning that honestly isn't valid and isn't used very often

And again, going against my method is going against several other current calculations.

I'd really rather you do a general revision for the calculations that use this method than just discard mine just because it was the first one you've seen

 

[Agnaa]

Spinosaurus used reasoning that honestly isn't valid and isn't used very often

?????

Yeah I agree with Agnaa. Seems pretty clear that we don't use scaling or other speed feats in calculations, which is why peak human or subsonic (if there is sufficient evidence of FTE movement) speed values are often assumed as a low-ball.

How is this not valid or not used often? It's just a basic "calc stacking isn't allowed" statement.

And again, going against my method is going against several other current calculations.

Such as?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Such as?

I already posted some examples

but anyway

Fairy Tail: Selene Blitzes Suzaku

vsbattles.fandom.com

Hikone's Speed Defies Physics

vsbattles.fandom.com

Reiokyu-Seireitei Distance and Calcs

vsbattles.fandom.com

How is this not valid or not used often?

This part

which is why peak human or subsonic (if there is sufficient evidence of FTE movement) speed values are often assumed as a low-ball.

We really use a low-ball using these values, but it depends on the context. And considering that it took even KLOL several comments to finally understand part of the context, I doubt Spino got it all at once without even participating in the threa

---

I still want to understand what exactly the problem is here. You are not clear, do you disagree with using mach 7, with the method, or both? The method of "standing still" is not valid or something?

 

[Agnaa]

I already posted some examples

Oh shit, I have no idea how I missed those the first time I went through the thread.

I don't think the first two calcs should be accepted, and the third link doesn't work. I'll make threads for them after this, but perhaps the people who accepted them but haven't commented here (@DemonGodMitchAubin and @Psychomaster35) should be brought in here.

We actually use a low-ball using these values, but it depends on the context. And considering that it took even KLOL several comments to finally understand part of the context, I doubt Spino got it all at once without even participating in the thread

I don't know what you mean by "we actually use a low-ball using these values", I double-checked the calcs and I could only see one ended provided in each of them.