Can you people make your comments one at a time, please? I starting feel like I'm being ganged up on.
That's because comic book characters have the worst consistency in terms of power level due to multiple writers throughout history inserting their own bias and opinion when making stories which unfortunately makes characters far weaker/stronger than they should have any right to be.
We have an
entire page explaining this in order to avoid awkward scaling to anyone because of that.
I'm not talking about how consistent Marvel's powerscaling is, but that Thor can control the Area of Effect of his own attacks. You're thinking a completely unrelated argument at me right now.
Because you SPECIFICALLY argued that Thor controls his AOE deliberately. Details son
Yeah, and? Again, no one else specifically argues this for any other character, because that's just assumed, as it normally would (and should) be.
Listen here. This ain't gonna cut. Show scans of Thor doing something like that, then go ahead with the comparisons.
Again, two wrongs don't make it right.
Doing what? Controlling and directing his own energy? Because Thor does that literally all the time.
Although with that "two wrongs doesn't make a right" comment, I guess you're going to make some "meta" thread about how we shouldn't distinguish AP from AoE unless the "verse mechanics" or whatever allow for it, something that I don't expect to make much headway whatsoever.
I mean, your arguing Ki Control isn't a thing in DB Canon. It is a thing, and as it turns out, is a verse mechanic. If you don't want that verse mechanic to be in place, make a CRT about it.
I'm not arguing that "ki control" shouldn't be a thing, but that Thor's ability to control his own energy should also be a thing, as is considered for myriad other fictional characters.
It's like you people are deliberately trying as hard as possible not to understand any of my argument. This blatant strawman of yours is a prime example of this.
Not really, only energy manipulation ever relevantly shown by Thor is, iirc, Absorption and Projection.
And the control of his own lightning, the Anti-Force, etc. But it seems you somehow forgot that.
DBZ characters can knowingly shape their blasts in variety of forms, see the different forms they do project.
How does any of that relate to controlling the AoE of their attacks?
I can do this nonsense too, you know.
Burden of proof is on you to challenge this claim as the files support my statements, and for the record I couldn't care less about DBZ stats given I think they're laughably wanked too, people just try to force in counterwank within their own verses instead of calling them out
I'm just going to say "good luck" to whatever massive "DBZ downgrade" thread you're going to make.
You're going to need it.
Real quick, explain to me why they DON'T want unwanted environmental damage? Because except for CIS to protect living beings I don't see a reason for Thor to do that.
It also wastes a lot of energy better used for hitting the opponent.
Elaborate. "No" isn't a valid rebuttal.
If you can't see the difference between controlling an attack's real power and controlling an attack's apparent area of effect, then I really cannot help you.
It's as dumb a presumptuon as claiming a character can control their AoE
Are you really doing this right now?
...except you're arguing he is controlling AoE of Mjolnir, which requires him to hit opponents in a hyperspecific manner.
No it doesn't. He just has to control Mjolnir's AoE so that when he hits someone, it doesn't blow up the planet or solar system or something.
...your point? Thor is a warrior at heart but Thor is also extremely noble and wouldn't smash someone with planetary strength since it kills them, and we know they're not planetary since most of them have absolute jackshit REACHING planetary tier.
Aren't most of the characters Thor faces more along the lines of
cosmic villains, and not the average street level thug?
I'm pretty sure a
lot of them have planetary feats bare minimum of their own.
Knocking someone out only requires you to be comparable strength to them, and FYI for said characters TO BE planetary, Thor is still holding back billionth of his strength, dividing a few more tens to the already miniscule fraction isn't relevantly causing a problem.
"Dividing a few more tenths" would make these characters small planet level or moon level for fighting Thor. You're arguing that a "restrained" Thor is large island level, and large island level is literally around 10^25 times or so lesser than Thor's general actual power (solar system level).
And yes, you're finally getting my point. Even if Thor was restraining himself against someone, as long as he fights them semi seriously, and they don't go down too quickly, they should scale to some meaningfully high (relatively speaking) fraction of his power, like planet level.
...you DO recognize one of these scans have him explicitly say this shit to the Wrecker? Characters can do dumb shit for CIS/PIS reasoning, this is said dumb shit, Thor can hit 4-B if you HAVEN'T noticed, he isn't hitting them with 4-B strength, he's hitting them with a fraction of it, said fraction is ALREADY miniscule enough to be in the millionth range in the planetary field.
Ok. And?
The bolded actually proves my point, in all honesty.
I'll actually explain what this current argument is, to passerbys, this is an argument that can VERY WELL be used to upgrade these characters to 4-B, and the only reason I can see Malmotek here using this for Planetary tiers, is either A. They have a blindspot regarding it's use, or B. They're recognizing for semantic reasoning, proposing Thing at planet tier is less ridiculous than to proposing him at 4-B base, and thus using it regardless. Either way, this argument used is no longer about the tier 6 downgrade, this is about the 4-B tiersplit in general.
So Mal I suggest either you back out of this argument recognizing that your complaints were addressed in the 4-B tiersplit, as necessary assumptions taken to make sense of these abundance of these hold-back statements and allow for more logical representations, OR you can make it abundant you're currently challenging that precedent accepted in the 4-B revisions.
I need clarification here, because currently this sounds like a "have your cake and eat it too" type situation, which I can dismiss by contradicting precedent set.
What the hell are you even saying right now? Why are you trying to put words in my mouth by saying that I'm arguing for Thor to be less than solar system level in base. I'm arguing that Thor
is solar system level in base, and that for most to even sustain combat with his "restrained" self for more than 5 minutes, they must be at least planet level, and that's assuming that Thor is holding back like a billionth of his real power, like you yourself said.
And you better cut it out with this "back out of this argument" nonsense. I don't take orders from disingenuous clods such as you.
