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Marvel Comics - Thor Shaking the Realms of the World Tree

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Excel616 said:
A being as the embodiment of entropy, the Griever at the End of All Things was a mysterious creature who claimed her purpose was to witness the last light fade from the edge of Eternity and grieve for everything that ever was and was ever meant to be. As an Abstract Entity, the Griever possesses a power to destroy dimensions, reality, and multiple universes at once.
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Huh. Then I guess it would be more Tier 2 scaling for Herald Tiers
 
Again, for safety reasons we should only use personal power displays, not fighting with cosmic entities.

For example, if I remember correctly, The Griever killed The Molecule Man, who had previously recreated the multiversal Eternity, placed him in a box, and could think Lifebringer Galactus out of existence, and yet the Silver Surfer could fight said abstract embodiment of destruction for that long.

Also, the Silver Surfer did not withstand a universal explosion, much less at the epicenter. The image is taken out of context. As far as I recall, in the following page he was flying at top speed to escape the galaxy-destroying battle between Infinity Gauntlet Thanos and universal Eternity.
 
Antvasima said:
For example, if I remember correctly, The Griever killed The Molecule Man, who had previously recreated the multiversal Eternity, placed him in a box, and could think Lifebringer Galactus out of existence, and yet the Silver Surfer could fight said abstract embodiment of destruction for that long.
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Yeah, Silver Surfer shouldn't scale to The Griever at all in that case
Antvasima said:
Also, the Silver Surfer did not withstand a universal explosion, much less at the epicenter. The image is taken out of context. As far as I recall, in the following page he was flying at top speed to escape the galaxy-destroying battle between Infinity Gauntlet Thanos and universal Eternity.
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Ok then
 
Thank you for being reasonable.

Anyway, can somebody list all of the explicit power display feats that I accepted above please? I think that I accepted the Hulk having his potential power measured as literally infinite, causing a multiversal earthquake, and destroying a universe; along with Hyperion withstanding the destruction of two universes. Were there any others that I have forgotten about?
 
That seems like unreliable "everybody can fight everybody" scaling.
 
Antvasima said:
Anyway, can somebody list all of the explicit power display feats that I accepted above please? I think that I accepted the Hulk having his potential power measured as literally infinite, causing a multiversal earthquake, and destroying a universe; along with Hyperion withstanding the destruction of two universes. Were there any others that I have forgotten about?
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There is also Hercules lifting the infinitely massive weight of the heavens, which is High 3-A AP and Infinite Lifting Strength

Thor shaking the Nine Realms is High 3-A AP combined with Low Multiversal range

Hulk's profile mentions two other feats that would make him High 3-A besides his infinite potential power. Dunno where the scans are
The Hulk causing an earthquake across infinite planets in the multiverse, destroying a pocket universe, and having his power measured as infinite by the Pre-Retcon Beyonder are generally considered as outliers. If they were not, he would have been considered as High 3-A at his peak
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Wouldn't the baby Thor feat be 2-A? He isn't just shaking the Nine Realms, but the World Tree itself, right? Since the World Tree is a 4D/2-A structure, shouldn't shaking it be 2-A?
 
MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
There is also Hercules lifting the infinitely massive weight of the heavens, which is High 3-A AP and Infinite Lifting Strength

Thor shaking the Nine Realms is High 3-A AP combined with Low Multiversal range

Hulk's profile mentions two other feats that would make him High 3-A besides his infinite potential power. Dunno where the scans are
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Thor shaking the Nine Realms has also happened multiple times (once as a baby who didn't know how to contain his power and once while piloting the Blood Colossus)
 
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MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
There is also Hercules lifting the infinitely massive weight of the heavens, which is High 3-A AP and Infinite Lifting Strength

Thor shaking the Nine Realms is High 3-A AP combined with Low Multiversal range
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That is probably fine, yes.
MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer said:
Hulk's profile mentions two other feats that would make him High 3-A besides his infinite potential power. Dunno where the scans are
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Yes, but I think that I mentioned those in my last post here.
Maverick_Zero_X said:
What about Thor shattering a root of
Yggdrasill?
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It is hard to quantify, but it can probably be used as a supporting feat.
ObberGobb said:
Wouldn't the baby Thor feat be 2-A? He isn't just shaking the Nine Realms, but the World Tree itself, right? Since the World Tree is a 4D/2-A structure, shouldn't shaking it be 2-A?
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I do not remember if it was just physical 3-D space or not, but 2-A seems like an outlier for baby Thor.
 
Eseseso said:
I don't see why everyone thinks the Beyonder saying Hulk has infinite power is such a good feat.

Kirby has infinite power and that's not a real scaling.
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Context matters, not all infinite power statements are the same. In many cases like with Kirby it's hyperbole for "really strong", but the Beyonder's statement is explicitly literal.
 
With all this 2-A stuff for Thor, we should maybe say something like "3-C casually, up to 2-C when serious, up to 2-A at his absolute peak".

I just hope the other 3-C people keep their tier because Silver Surfer and Thor together make up like 80-90% of all the 3-C Herald Tier feats.
 
Eseseso said:
With all this 2-A stuff for Thor, we should maybe say something like "3-C casually, up to 2-C when serious, up to 2-A at his absolute peak".

I just hope the other 3-C people keep their tier because Silver Surfer and Thor together make up like 80-90% of all the 3-C Herald Tier feats.
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They're definitely the consistently strongest of the group
 
Antvasima said:
If it only affects physical 3-D space via regular energy-based vibrations/shaking, it doesn't seem like a tier 2 feat. We separate range and attack potency for good reasons, as they often do not coincide.
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Im still confused, the realms are 4D in nature, thor shook them, that should qualify as affecting a 2-C structure

Also doesn't this debunk the current 2-C world engine feat? Because we could make the assumption that thor moved the 3D space of the realms?
As well as alot of 2-C feats on here

Antvasima said:
It doesn't work, no. Sorry.
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Ah alright sorry, i guess it will be a 3-B - 3-A supporting feat

Antvasima said:
Laying waste to the army and buildings of a country does not automatically translated as blowing up universes. Sorry, but this is not up for discussion
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Well, the entire comic is thor doing some wild shit, but if it is iffy then alright maybe we cant use this

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Because we cannot just take a member's word for it without scans and a story/issue reference.
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I am asking why Yggdrasil isnt always portrayed as having 2-C durability.

The feat in question is from Thor: Man of war

Also, as far as i am concerned almost every showing of Yggdrasil shows it as a structure that contains or “holds" 9 realms, i do not understand how it doesn't have 2-C durability at the least

Antvasima said:
Advertisement blurbs for upcoming stories are often misleading and filled with hyperbole.
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I am sorry man that is just intentionally dismissing the statement for no reason, the scan states three times that stardust and BRB were going to destroy the universe, the heavens and “Everything" even the Ad of the 3rd issue states that BRB was “shaking the heavens" which is commonly used for shaking the universe

I dont believe this is a hyperbole
 
NHTkenshin2 said:
Im still confused, the realms are 4D in nature, thor shook them, that should qualify as affecting a 2-C structure

Also doesn't this debunk the current 2-C world engine feat? Because we could make the assumption that thor moved the 3D space of the realms?
As well as alot of 2-C feats on here


Ah alright sorry, i guess it will be a 3-B - 3-A supporting feat


Well, the entire comic is thor doing some wild shit, but if it is iffy then alright maybe we cant use this


I am asking why Yggdrasil isnt always portrayed as having 2-C durability.

The feat in question is from Thor: Man of war

Also, as far as i am concerned almost every showing of Yggdrasil shows it as a structure that contains or “holds" 9 realms, i do not understand how it doesn't have 2-C durability at the least


I am sorry man that is just intentionally dismissing the statement for no reason, the scan states three times that stardust and BRB were going to destroy the universe, the heavens and “Everything" even the Ad of the 3rd issue states that BRB was “shaking the heavens" which is commonly used for shaking the universe

I dont believe this is a hyperbole
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I think that the World Engine feat counts as 2-C because he affected the timelines of each of the realms in addition to moving them physically
 
Apex_Predator_GX said:
So which tier they're gonna be then?
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Probably 4-B again.

That is, unless we use the few 3-c feats not connected to Thor/Surfer:



Also, if Silver Surfer gets 2-C...so does Doctor Doom's low-end of his prep/tech since a pretty big chunk of it is from Silver Surfer scaling.
 
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Eseseso said:
Probably 4-B again.

That is, unless we use the few 3-c feats not connected to Thor/Surfer:



Also, if Silver Surfer gets 2-C...so does Doctor Doom's low-end of his prep/tech since a good chunk of it is from Silver Surfer scaling.
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Shouldn't Sentry still scale since he's fought a serious Thor?
 
Eseseso said:
With all this 2-A stuff for Thor, we should maybe say something like "3-C casually, up to 2-C when serious, up to 2-A at his absolute peak".

I just hope the other 3-C people keep their tier because Silver Surfer and Thor together make up like 80-90% of all the 3-C Herald Tier feats.
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Honestly, just make him 3-C, up to 2-A at his absolute peak since adding more tiers in the middle looks like an eyesore imo.
 
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