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Nothing sure how powerful.How powerful is this servant/avatar of death?
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Nothing sure how powerful.How powerful is this servant/avatar of death?
Maybe, maybe not.Is that not just Space-Time Manipulation?
Huh. Then I guess it would be more Tier 2 scaling for Herald TiersA being as the embodiment of entropy, the Griever at the End of All Things was a mysterious creature who claimed her purpose was to witness the last light fade from the edge of Eternity and grieve for everything that ever was and was ever meant to be. As an Abstract Entity, the Griever possesses a power to destroy dimensions, reality, and multiple universes at once.
Low 1-AThe Griever at the End of All Things
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Yeah, Silver Surfer shouldn't scale to The Griever at all in that caseFor example, if I remember correctly, The Griever killed The Molecule Man, who had previously recreated the multiversal Eternity, placed him in a box, and could think Lifebringer Galactus out of existence, and yet the Silver Surfer could fight said abstract embodiment of destruction for that long.
Ok thenAlso, the Silver Surfer did not withstand a universal explosion, much less at the epicenter. The image is taken out of context. As far as I recall, in the following page he was flying at top speed to escape the galaxy-destroying battle between Infinity Gauntlet Thanos and universal Eternity.
Silver Surfer Fought a servant/avatar of Death
Cosmic Powers unlimited #1
Green Scar fighting a Zoom possessed Doctor Strange
Worldld War Hulk #4
Okay ThanksThat seems like unreliable "everybody can fight everybody" scaling.
There is also Hercules lifting the infinitely massive weight of the heavens, which is High 3-A AP and Infinite Lifting StrengthAnyway, can somebody list all of the explicit power display feats that I accepted above please? I think that I accepted the Hulk having his potential power measured as literally infinite, causing a multiversal earthquake, and destroying a universe; along with Hyperion withstanding the destruction of two universes. Were there any others that I have forgotten about?
The Hulk causing an earthquake across infinite planets in the multiverse, destroying a pocket universe, and having his power measured as infinite by the Pre-Retcon Beyonder are generally considered as outliers. If they were not, he would have been considered as High 3-A at his peak
Thor shaking the Nine Realms has also happened multiple times (once as a baby who didn't know how to contain his power and once while piloting the Blood Colossus)There is also Hercules lifting the infinitely massive weight of the heavens, which is High 3-A AP and Infinite Lifting Strength
Thor shaking the Nine Realms is High 3-A AP combined with Low Multiversal range
Hulk's profile mentions two other feats that would make him High 3-A besides his infinite potential power. Dunno where the scans are
Those are the two feats I linked thereThor shaking the Nine Realms has also happened multiple times (once as a baby who didn't know how to contain his power and once while piloting the Blood Colossus)
Thor shaking the Nine Realms is High 3-A AP combined with Low Multiversal range
Is it? I honestly don't knowWouldn't the baby Thor feat be 2-A? He isn't just shaking the Nine Realms, but the World Tree itself, right? Since the World Tree is a 4D/2-A structure, shouldn't shaking it be 2-A?
I guess that could workWhat about Thor shattering a root of
Yggdrasill?
The Beyonder statementDunno where the scans are
That is probably fine, yes.There is also Hercules lifting the infinitely massive weight of the heavens, which is High 3-A AP and Infinite Lifting Strength
Thor shaking the Nine Realms is High 3-A AP combined with Low Multiversal range
Yes, but I think that I mentioned those in my last post here.Hulk's profile mentions two other feats that would make him High 3-A besides his infinite potential power. Dunno where the scans are
It is hard to quantify, but it can probably be used as a supporting feat.What about Thor shattering a root of
Yggdrasill?
I do not remember if it was just physical 3-D space or not, but 2-A seems like an outlier for baby Thor.Wouldn't the baby Thor feat be 2-A? He isn't just shaking the Nine Realms, but the World Tree itself, right? Since the World Tree is a 4D/2-A structure, shouldn't shaking it be 2-A?
Context matters, not all infinite power statements are the same. In many cases like with Kirby it's hyperbole for "really strong", but the Beyonder's statement is explicitly literal.I don't see why everyone thinks the Beyonder saying Hulk has infinite power is such a good feat.
Kirby has infinite power and that's not a real scaling.
And also there have multiple statement of hulk having infinite powerContext matters, not all infinite power statements are the same. In many cases like with Kirby it's hyperbole for "really strong", but the Beyonder's statement is explicitly literal.
Agreed.Context matters, not all infinite power statements are the same. In many cases like with Kirby it's hyperbole for "really strong", but the Beyonder's statement is explicitly literal.
Okay thenThe Crossroads nexus connected him to an infinite number of realities. It wasn't due to his own powers.
They're definitely the consistently strongest of the groupWith all this 2-A stuff for Thor, we should maybe say something like "3-C casually, up to 2-C when serious, up to 2-A at his absolute peak".
I just hope the other 3-C people keep their tier because Silver Surfer and Thor together make up like 80-90% of all the 3-C Herald Tier feats.
Im still confused, the realms are 4D in nature, thor shook them, that should qualify as affecting a 2-C structureIf it only affects physical 3-D space via regular energy-based vibrations/shaking, it doesn't seem like a tier 2 feat. We separate range and attack potency for good reasons, as they often do not coincide.
Ah alright sorry, i guess it will be a 3-B - 3-A supporting featIt doesn't work, no. Sorry.
Well, the entire comic is thor doing some wild shit, but if it is iffy then alright maybe we cant use thisLaying waste to the army and buildings of a country does not automatically translated as blowing up universes. Sorry, but this is not up for discussion
I am asking why Yggdrasil isnt always portrayed as having 2-C durability.Because we cannot just take a member's word for it without scans and a story/issue reference.
I am sorry man that is just intentionally dismissing the statement for no reason, the scan states three times that stardust and BRB were going to destroy the universe, the heavens and “Everything" even the Ad of the 3rd issue states that BRB was “shaking the heavens" which is commonly used for shaking the universeAdvertisement blurbs for upcoming stories are often misleading and filled with hyperbole.
I think that the World Engine feat counts as 2-C because he affected the timelines of each of the realms in addition to moving them physicallyIm still confused, the realms are 4D in nature, thor shook them, that should qualify as affecting a 2-C structure
Also doesn't this debunk the current 2-C world engine feat? Because we could make the assumption that thor moved the 3D space of the realms?
As well as alot of 2-C feats on here
Ah alright sorry, i guess it will be a 3-B - 3-A supporting feat
Well, the entire comic is thor doing some wild shit, but if it is iffy then alright maybe we cant use this
I am asking why Yggdrasil isnt always portrayed as having 2-C durability.
The feat in question is from Thor: Man of war
Also, as far as i am concerned almost every showing of Yggdrasil shows it as a structure that contains or “holds" 9 realms, i do not understand how it doesn't have 2-C durability at the least
I am sorry man that is just intentionally dismissing the statement for no reason, the scan states three times that stardust and BRB were going to destroy the universe, the heavens and “Everything" even the Ad of the 3rd issue states that BRB was “shaking the heavens" which is commonly used for shaking the universe
I dont believe this is a hyperbole
So which tier they're gonna be then?Oh God we may have to remove 3-C from the Herald Tiers.
Probably 4-B again.So which tier they're gonna be then?
Shouldn't Sentry still scale since he's fought a serious Thor?Probably 4-B again.
That is, unless we use the few 3-c feats not connected to Thor/Surfer:
- Suzanne Selby mentions that she will set fire to the entire Shi'ar galaxy
- It could cause a universal armageddon according to Silver Surfer.
- Firelord claims that Star Brand can melt the stars along with everything else in the heavens.
- Black Bolt defeated Sphinx, who claimed to be able to destroy a galaxy with thought.
- Sentry destroying the Galaxy-level Celestial Armor
- For Beta Ray Bill, a side effect of their battle with Stardust, they shook the universe by darkening the stars and knocking the planets out of their orbits.
Also, if Silver Surfer gets 2-C...so does Doctor Doom's low-end of his prep/tech since a good chunk of it is from Silver Surfer scaling.
The Sentry is also stated as comparable to Thor in Siege: Storming Asgard - Heroes & Villains Vol 1 1Shouldn't Sentry still scale since he's fought a serious Thor?
Shouldn't Sentry still scale since he's fought a serious Thor?
Welp so much for the Sentry feat.The Sentry is also stated as comparable to Thor in Siege: Storming Asgard - Heroes & Villains Vol 1 1
Honestly, just make him 3-C, up to 2-A at his absolute peak since adding more tiers in the middle looks like an eyesore imo.With all this 2-A stuff for Thor, we should maybe say something like "3-C casually, up to 2-C when serious, up to 2-A at his absolute peak".
I just hope the other 3-C people keep their tier because Silver Surfer and Thor together make up like 80-90% of all the 3-C Herald Tier feats.
Not sure about that since last I remember most of the 4-B feats also came from Silver Surfer and Thor, with exceptions like Richard Rider Nova and Sentry I believe.Probably 4-B again.