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Marvel Comics - Thor Shaking the Realms of the World Tree

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Isn't the 616 Universe comprised of multiple universe-sized realms as well (Like the Negative Zone)? That really gives the plural statement validity.
That its actually a good point, between the Negative Zone and the Nine Realms the entirety of Earth-616's reality/timeline should count as a 2-C structure.

Similar to how an entire timeline in Dragon Ball count as 2-C due of be made by multiple separated universes.
 
Thor's feat of shaking the universe is taken as 4-A or 3-C, so I don't think Infinite Marvel Universe is accepted (otherwise, it would be High 3-A)

About the structure, do we have scans of Negative Zone having a different, separate time-space ? Some Universal structures are just higher into 3-A when the realms have no proof of having their own timeline
 
That is correct, yes, but we still need to determine which characters that can reliably be scaled to their 2-C peak portrayals.

See here for useful character lists that can be used to investigate:

For the heralds that shall have a 2-C rating, my take is:

- They must have their own feats near or at 2-C level (3-A or above, let's say)

- They must consistently fight a "2-C at peak" Herald when both were absolutely serious and going all out without some common restrictions (Like Thor fighting on Earth)

I say this because, again, Thor can be anywhere between 3-C and 2-C, and it's rather arbitrary to pinpoint his power output sometimes, so to avoid inconsistent 2-Cs, we should be careful to who scales

I'll message KLOL and other staff to help
 
I kind of agree with that. However, I don't think Thanos has any feats 3-A or higher, but I think he should definitely scale to the 2-C end. Same with Ultron.
 
For the heralds that shall have a 2-C rating, my take is:

- They must have their own feats near or at 2-C level (3-A or above, let's say)

- They must consistently fight a "2-C at peak" Herald when both were absolutely serious and going all out without some common restrictions (Like Thor fighting on Earth)

I say this because, again, Thor can be anywhere between 3-C and 2-C, and it's rather arbitrary to pinpoint his power output sometimes, so to avoid inconsistent 2-Cs, we should be careful to who scales

I'll message KLOL and other staff to help
This seems like a good starting point to further reduce the headaches with Herald-scaling.

Though Hulk and Sentry would be exceptions to this and they can thus retain the 5-B scaling because they genuinely have statements on that level when they're at their worst mentally-speaking, and becasue they have a true "Varies" mechanism where their power level explicitly depends on their mental state.
 
IMO until further notice the 2 big bang statements should be reverted back to being 3-A (or High 3-A due to the size of the Marvel universe).
I would personally much prefer if we scale from the other evidence instead, as the Big Bang was calculated to contain far less than 3-A energy in the old cosmological models.

I would appreciate input from @DontTalkDT about this though.
 
Thor's feat of shaking the universe is taken as 4-A or 3-C, so I don't think Infinite Marvel Universe is accepted (otherwise, it would be High 3-A)
Well, I think that we used some explicit statement about the MU's size, but that Confluctor created a revision thread to adjust it to infinite size later. I do not remember if that went anywhere though.
 
For the heralds that shall have a 2-C rating, my take is:

- They must have their own feats near or at 2-C level (3-A or above, let's say)

- They must consistently fight a "2-C at peak" Herald when both were absolutely serious and going all out without some common restrictions (Like Thor fighting on Earth)

I say this because, again, Thor can be anywhere between 3-C and 2-C, and it's rather arbitrary to pinpoint his power output sometimes, so to avoid inconsistent 2-Cs, we should be careful to who scales

I'll message KLOL and other staff to help
I think that your take above seems sensible. Thank you for helping out.

Technically, Thor can be anywhere from tier 9 to tier 1 depending on the story though.
 
Well, I think that we used some explicit statement about the MU's size, but that Confluctor created a revision thread to adjust it to infinite size later. I do not remember if that went anywhere though.
I think it was put on hold so that the others could make a more definitive version explicitly for Marvel because the CRT at the time conjoined both DC and Marvel.
 
Okay. Thank you for the information.

Dan Slott also most recently established the Marvel Universe as being of finite size during his Reckoning War storyline.
 
Okay then, if you guys are fine with my suggestion, let's take the next step:

- Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Sentry, Hulk, Silver Surfer, Hercules and Hyperion are the currently accepted 2-Cs, right ? These are the owners of the accepted feats on that list

From this, I believe the Heralds that are likely to scale are:


Only took the Tier 5/3 overlaps, there are more people to talk about, but it's a first step anyway
 
Okay then, if you guys are fine with my suggestion, let's take the next step:

- Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Sentry, Hulk, Silver Surfer, Hercules and Hyperion are the currently accepted 2-Cs, right ? These are the owners of the accepted feats on that list

From this, I believe the Heralds that are likely to scale are:


Only took the Tier 5/3 overlaps, there are more people to talk about, but it's a first step anyway
Sounds about right (although didn't Juggernaut fight WW Hulk)?

Also, I feel like Wakanda's Silver Surfer thing is honestly way too weird and should likely be removed.
 
Okay then, if you guys are fine with my suggestion, let's take the next step:

- Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Sentry, Hulk, Silver Surfer, Hercules and Hyperion are the currently accepted 2-Cs, right ? These are the owners of the accepted feats on that list

From this, I believe the Heralds that are likely to scale are:


Only took the Tier 5/3 overlaps, there are more people to talk about, but it's a first step anyway
This looks miles better than anything else before it. Good job.
 
Gladiator Vs Thor | Thor Vol 1 #445
https://imgur.io/a/BX1TZ
That is Eric Masterson Thor, who has constantly been stated to be weaker than Thor Odinson
Gladiator Vs Thor | Thor Vol 2 #36
https://imgur.io/a/wTsyb
Thor was fighting on Earth and holding back, until the end, and later Gladiator said that Thor was too strong
Gladiator Vs Hulk | Incredible Hulk Annual 1997
Hulk is keeping his Varies power mechanism, so chances are this will only be accepted as 5-B powerscaling
 
I'm interested, can you tell me your reasons ?

I didn't kept up with Jane's Thor arc, don't know much about her scaling
It's the Marvel "everybody can fight everybody" thing that was brought up several times. I'm just not in full support of JF Thor and Waziria scaling to only two 2-C characters without it being more consistent, such as fighting those 2-C characters more than once / having their own non-scaling feats or statements on that level, or just... something more than 4-A
 
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It's the Marvel "everybody can fight everybody" thing that was brought up several times. I'm just not in full support of JF Thor and Waziria scaling to only two 2-C characters without it being more consistent, such as fighting those 2-C characters more than once / having their own non-scaling feats or statements on that level, or just... something more than 4-A
I see, well I agree with you then
 
Lightning's suggested scaling above largely seems to make sense to me, but should we really scale individual Mindless Ones nearly that high? During Dormammu's recent invasion of the main Marvel universe, even average-powered superheroes were able to defeat them, and I have some vague memories of The Thing and similarly powerful characters having successfully held their own against them previously as well.
 
Lightning's suggested scaling above largely seems to make sense to me, but should we really scale individual Mindless Ones nearly that high? During Dormammu's recent invasion of the main Marvel universe, even average-powered superheroes were able to defeat them, and I have some vague memories of The Thing and similarly powerful characters having successfully held their own against them previously as well.
We could just say that only the Classic Mindless Ones are that strong, just like how Classic Dormammu is separated from his modern version.
 
I suppose that makes sense, but what are the justifications for their current/classic statistics?
 
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