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Marvel Comics - Thor Shaking the Realms of the World Tree

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Now to finish, the other Tier 3s, some of them I removed from the list because I already talked about them above
  • Ego the Living Planet - Quite directly stated to be above Thor by himself, agree
  • Galactus (Marvel Comics) - Unsure since he has a 2-C key, but his 3-C one does seem to be superior to anything SS and Thor can try (Except the God Blast)
  • Odin (Marvel Comics) - Unnecessary, already starts at 3-C and goes up tp 2-A
  • Terrax - SHould be fine if he is equal to all SS's powers
  • Thor (Marvel Comics) - Just kept him here to remember that we agreed on removing his 5-B rating and change it to Varies, as it fits much better his casual shwings
  • Gladiator (Marvel Comics) - Marvel Future already explained his case, rejected
  • Wolverine (Marvel Comics) - Only feats against Thor on Earth, non peak Hulk and Thanos (who will also have a 2-C rating only at peak), so no
  • Zeus (Marvel Comics) - Same as Odin
  • Ghost Rider (Marvel Comics) - Now this one is an interesting case, he should scale to Mephisto who's "3-C, 2-C at peak" when Unrestricted, however I think when a Ghost Rider defeated Mephisto, he was in Hell, so a straight 2-C rating for GR isn't really inconsistent, he also defeated Thor
  • Stardust - Same as Terrax
  • Blade (Marvel Comics) - It's only with a gun and I doubt Cosmic Ghost Rider was at peak
  • Surtur (Marvel Comics) - Same as Odin
  • Storm (Marvel Comics) - SS wasn't going all out and she lacks more feats against High Tier Heralds, so I disagree
  • Cosmo (Marvel) - I...guess ? SS being afraid of him should be counting on his peak powers
  • The Destroyer (Marvel Comics) - I changed my mind a bit, I remember some fights between Thor and Beyonder being on Earth, so Thor was holding back and still managed to fight back, so I guess the 3-C key shouldn't receive the "2-C at peak"
  • The Beyonders - Agree, shouldn't be that hard to argue for them as they literally overpowered Thor and Hyperion on space
  • Beast (Marvel Comics) - I guess so ? Ego surely scales and his gun has a scaling to him, although just like Thor, Ego also is 2-C at his peak, which means the gun might be against a Casual Ego
  • Hope Summers - Her scaling is to Dark Phoenix Cyclops which was okay, so I agree
  • X-23 - Same as Wolverine
  • Mephisto (Marvel Comics) - Already talked about him when agreed with Ghost Rider
  • Mangog (Marvel Comics) - If he matched jane Foster, he shouldn't scale to Peak Thor
  • Gorr the God Butcher - His first key apparently should stay at only 3-C, but his other two should scale to Peak Thor quite directly, which also upgrades Old King Thor who's currently 3-A only
  • Hela (Marvel Comics) - Already has 2-C
  • Black Knight (Marvel Comics) - Can someone confirm for me if those feats against Thor are on Earth/Near Earth ? If yes, then breaking the Force Field is 3-C only
  • Sabretooth (Marvel Comics) - Same as Wolverine
  • Jormungand (Marvel Comics) - Already talked about it above
  • Dreadpool - Well I guess he should scale going by list of victims, it should be "3-C to 2-C with Weaponry and Preparation"
  • Old Man Logan - Same as his other self
  • Marduk Kurios - Already has 2-C
  • Cosmic Ghost Rider - Already talked about him above, but going into details, he matched a few heralds but has some anti feats like matching Groot in battle, who lacks good feats against Peak Heralds to scale consistently, so I disagree with him having the 2-C rating
  • Nyx (Marvel Comics) - I disagree, mainly because she already scales to Zeus and apparently could only defeat his base power
  • Red Ronin - Disagree, scales to Godzilla who was rejected
  • Magus (Marvel Comics) - I dunno much about the character, but Thanos also varies between 3-C and 2-C and didn't seemed to be going all out against him, his other scaling is to Nova, who in turn scales to Quasar, who...lacks a profile apparently ?
  • Yetrigar - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • Batragon - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • Ghilaron - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • Lepirax - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • Centipor - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • The Beta-Beast - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • Triax - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • Rhiahn - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • Krollar - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now (lol)
  • Old King Thor - I have a lot of problems with this profile, but to kep things under the topic, he should receive the "2-C at peak" rating scaling from other versions of Gorr
  • Groot (Marvel Comics) - Both of his scaling shouldn't receive the 2-C rating, so I disagree
  • Challenger (Marvel Comics) - Maaaybe ? His fight aganst Hulk is good but his scaling to characters like jane Foster and Rogue puts his 2-C rating in check, considering Hulk's variable power, I think I disagree
  • Impossible Man - SS didn't seemed to be at his absolute peak
  • Thanos (Marvel Comics) - The man himself, honestly while he may lack Universal level feats in his base form, he overpowered Peak Heralds consistently over the years, including serious versions of Thor and SS, also, his 3-A key should be upgraded to plain 2-C considering he is stronger than his base's peak power, which should be 2-C after this CRT
  • Firelord - Same as SS I guess ?
  • Pluto (Marvel Comics) - Already has 2-C
  • Air-Walker - Same as SS, I guess ?
  • Iron Man Armor Model 22 - Thor on Earth, so no
  • Man-Beast - I dunno, what version of Adam Warlock he scales ?
  • Satannish - Already has a 2-C rating
  • Mjolnir (Marvel Comics) - From what I saw of Thor's 2-C feats, they come from him and not the hammer, plus Jane Foster isn't getting the scaling to 2-C, therefore the hammer alone shouldn't scale
  • Voyager (Marvel Comics) - If she doesn't even scale to their MFTL+ ratings I doubt she should scale to their peak AP
  • Seth (Marvel Comics) - I guess his current scaling to Thor was already accepted at just 3-C since other keys have higher feats like 3-B
  • Possessor (Marvel Comics) - Dunno much about the character, but Hercules seems to be casual
  • Avengers (1960s Team) - Should scale since it has both Thor and Hulk
  • The Sentry (The Age of the Sentry) - Should scale to 616 Sentry ? If so, then yeah I agree


Pheeew, I guess that's it, so to summarize, considering my other post + the ones that people disagreed with the scaling, the current accepted list of who scales to "2-C at peak" is:


Carefully read the list to be sure I'm not forgetting someone, I'm aware the Mindless Ones are still in question, that's why I left with a "*"

Some profiles only scale to "2-C at Peak" in specific keys, when I went through them, I talked about what keys I was referring to

Of course, some characters I wasn't able to tell if they should scale or not, and others are still in question like other heralds, I also left them with a *
 
Lightning_XXI said:
Now to finish, the other Tier 3s, some of them I removed from the list because I already talked about them above
  • Ego the Living Planet - Quite directly stated to be above Thor by himself, agree
  • Galactus (Marvel Comics) - Unsure since he has a 2-C key, but his 3-C one does seem to be superior to anything SS and Thor can try (Except the God Blast)
  • Odin (Marvel Comics) - Unnecessary, already starts at 3-C and goes up tp 2-A
  • Terrax - SHould be fine if he is equal to all SS's powers
  • Thor (Marvel Comics) - Just kept him here to remember that we agreed on removing his 5-B rating and change it to Varies, as it fits much better his casual shwings
  • Gladiator (Marvel Comics) - Marvel Future already explained his case, rejected
  • Wolverine (Marvel Comics) - Only feats against Thor on Earth, non peak Hulk and Thanos (who will also have a 2-C rating only at peak), so no
  • Zeus (Marvel Comics) - Same as Odin
  • Ghost Rider (Marvel Comics) - Now this one is an interesting case, he should scale to Mephisto who's "3-C, 2-C at peak" when Unrestricted, however I think when a Ghost Rider defeated Mephisto, he was in Hell, so a straight 2-C rating for GR isn't really inconsistent, he also defeated Thor
  • Stardust - Same as Terrax
  • Blade (Marvel Comics) - It's only with a gun and I doubt Cosmic Ghost Rider was at peak
  • Surtur (Marvel Comics) - Same as Odin
  • Storm (Marvel Comics) - SS wasn't going all out and she lacks more feats against High Tier Heralds, so I disagree
  • Cosmo (Marvel) - I...guess ? SS being afraid of him should be counting on his peak powers
  • The Destroyer (Marvel Comics) - I changed my mind a bit, I remember some fights between Thor and Beyonder being on Earth, so Thor was holding back and still managed to fight back, so I guess the 3-C key shouldn't receive the "2-C at peak"
  • The Beyonders - Agree, shouldn't be that hard to argue for them as they literally overpowered Thor and Hyperion on space
  • Beast (Marvel Comics) - I guess so ? Ego surely scales and his gun has a scaling to him, although just like Thor, Ego also is 2-C at his peak, which means the gun might be against a Casual Ego
  • Hope Summers - Her scaling is to Dark Phoenix Cyclops which was okay, so I agree
  • X-23 - Same as Wolverine
  • Mephisto (Marvel Comics) - Already talked about him when agreed with Ghost Rider
  • Mangog (Marvel Comics) - If he matched jane Foster, he shouldn't scale to Peak Thor
  • Gorr the God Butcher - His first key apparently should stay at only 3-C, but his other two should scale to Peak Thor quite directly, which also upgrades Old King Thor who's currently 3-A only
  • Hela (Marvel Comics) - Already has 2-C
  • Black Knight (Marvel Comics) - Can someone confirm for me if those feats against Thor are on Earth/Near Earth ? If yes, then breaking the Force Field is 3-C only
  • Sabretooth (Marvel Comics) - Same as Wolverine
  • Jormungand (Marvel Comics) - Already talked about it above
  • Dreadpool - Well I guess he should scale going by list of victims, it should be "3-C to 2-C with Weaponry and Preparation"
  • Old Man Logan - Same as his other self
  • Marduk Kurios - Already has 2-C
  • Cosmic Ghost Rider - Already talked about him above, but going into details, he matched a few heralds but has some anti feats like matching Groot in battle, who lacks good feats against Peak Heralds to scale consistently, so I disagree with him having the 2-C rating
  • Nyx (Marvel Comics) - I disagree, mainly because she already scales to Zeus and apparently could only defeat his base power
  • Red Ronin - Disagree, scales to Godzilla who was rejected
  • Magus (Marvel Comics) - I dunno much about the character, but Thanos also varies between 3-C and 2-C and didn't seemed to be going all out against him, his other scaling is to Nova, who in turn scales to Quasar, who...lacks a profile apparently ?
  • Yetrigar - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • Batragon - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • Ghilaron - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • Lepirax - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • Centipor - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • The Beta-Beast - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • Triax - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • Rhiahn - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now
  • Krollar - Also scales to Godzilla who was rejected for now (lol)
  • Old King Thor - I have a lot of problems with this profile, but to kep things under the topic, he should receive the "2-C at peak" rating scaling from other versions of Gorr
  • Groot (Marvel Comics) - Both of his scaling shouldn't receive the 2-C rating, so I disagree
  • Challenger (Marvel Comics) - Maaaybe ? His fight aganst Hulk is good but his scaling to characters like jane Foster and Rogue puts his 2-C rating in check, considering Hulk's variable power, I think I disagree
  • Impossible Man - SS didn't seemed to be at his absolute peak
  • Thanos (Marvel Comics) - The man himself, honestly while he may lack Universal level feats in his base form, he overpowered Peak Heralds consistently over the years, including serious versions of Thor and SS, also, his 3-A key should be upgraded to plain 2-C considering he is stronger than his base's peak power, which should be 2-C after this CRT
  • Firelord - Same as SS I guess ?
  • Pluto (Marvel Comics) - Already has 2-C
  • Air-Walker - Same as SS, I guess ?
  • Iron Man Armor Model 22 - Thor on Earth, so no
  • Man-Beast - I dunno, what version of Adam Warlock he scales ?
  • Satannish - Already has a 2-C rating
  • Mjolnir (Marvel Comics) - From what I saw of Thor's 2-C feats, they come from him and not the hammer, plus Jane Foster isn't getting the scaling to 2-C, therefore the hammer alone shouldn't scale
  • Voyager (Marvel Comics) - If she doesn't even scale to their MFTL+ ratings I doubt she should scale to their peak AP
  • Seth (Marvel Comics) - I guess his current scaling to Thor was already accepted at just 3-C since other keys have higher feats like 3-B
  • Possessor (Marvel Comics) - Dunno much about the character, but Hercules seems to be casual
  • Avengers (1960s Team) - Should scale since it has both Thor and Hulk
  • The Sentry (The Age of the Sentry) - Should scale to 616 Sentry ? If so, then yeah I agree


Pheeew, I guess that's it, so to summarize, considering my other post + the ones that people disagreed with the scaling, the current accepted list of who scales to "2-C at peak" is:


Carefully read the list to be sure I'm not forgetting someone, I'm aware the Mindless Ones are still in question, that's why I left with a "*"

Some profiles only scale to "2-C at Peak" in specific keys, when I went through them, I talked about what keys I was referring to

Of course, some characters I wasn't able to tell if they should scale or not, and others are still in question like other heralds, I also left them with a *
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This should preferably be put in a blog dubbed "Marvel Comics Herald Tiers scaling chain" so that whenever upgrades/downgrades happen, this can be used to quickly and efficiently apply the updates without any fuss.

Overall tho? Good job. May you be staff one day.
 
Your list mostly seems to make sense, but the big problem here is that Thor is not displayed at anywhere near even a 3-C scale of power when fighting on Earth, just 5-B usually, and sometimes as low as 9-A, due to the writers having completely different ideas of both his power levels and power levels relative to other characters.

I honestly think that we should stop tip-toeing around the elephant in the room and just give most of the above-listed characters variable tiers to a certain degree, as anything else would be a combination of dishonest and very misleading to our visitors. In Thor's case I think that he should be listed as something similar to this: "Varies. Usually portrayed as 5-B on Earth, and 3-C in cosmic settings. 2-C at his peak."

Also, scaling Terrax to 2-C when his greatest explicit feat is 5-B to 5-A, and I think he had to exert himself for splitting that planet in half and destroying it, seems ridiculously exaggerated, so we have to be careful to which power levels that we scale the various affected Marvel characters.
 
Lightning_XXI said:
Mangog (Marvel Comics) - If he matched jane Foster, he shouldn't scale to Peak Thor
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Tbh, Mangog feels a lot more consistently portrayed as more powerful than peak Thor throughout his other showings, compared to his one-time battle against JF Thor that included the PIS of getting killed by the Sun, so I personally think he should be 2-C, but if everyone else disagrees, I can understand

I mostly agree with everything else, though
 
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Antvasima said:
Your list mostly seems to make sense, but the big problem here is that Thor is not displayed at anywhere near even a 3-C scale of power when fighting on Earth, just 5-B usually, and sometimes as low as 9-A, due to the writers having completely different ideas of both his power levels and power levels relative to other characters.

I honestly think that we should stop tip-toeing around the elephant in the room and just give most of the above-listed characters variable tiers to a certain degree, as anything else would be a combination of dishonest and very misleading to our visitors. In Thor's case I think that he should be listed as something similar to this: "Varies. Usually portrayed as 5-B on Earth, and 3-C in cosmic settings. 2-C at his peak."
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Well, adding a "usually 5-B" for him at least gives some direction to his usual powers for the readers, yeah, well I'm neutral, as long as he keeps his Varies (Which I strongly suggest). Now, aside from Thor and a few others, most of them don't have direct statements of holding back on Earth or something similar like Hulk or Sentry, do you have plans for them aswell ?

I'm aware, but shouldn't the Heralds be equal to Silver Surfer ? Otherwise not only Terrax but a few others may also not scale to SS's peak feats
Tbh, Mangog feels a lot more consistently portrayed as more powerful than peak Thor throughout his other showings, compared to his one-time battle against JF Thor that included the PIS of getting killed by the Sun, so I personally think he should be 2-C, but if everyone else disagrees, I can understand

I mostly agree with everything else, though
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I removed him because, well, I was trying to be as careful as possible, but mostly because the fight, despite its clear errors, was listed in his profile so I believed it should be used

If you guys want to call it PIS, which I honestly don't mind considering the other Mangog fights, fine for me, be then yeah he should receive the 2-C rating
 
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ObberGobb said:
How are we going to distinguish between holding back, fighting normally, and fighting at peak?
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Ig:
  • Holding back - When Thor is fighting mortals on Earth and the story doesn't state he's seriously exerting himself or trying to kill them
  • Fighting seriously or at his peak - When a story explicitly states or shows he's going all out, pushing his strength to its fullest extent or beyond
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Ig:
  • Holding back - When Thor is fighting mortals on Earth and the story doesn't state he's seriously exerting himself or trying to kill them
  • Fighting seriously or at his peak - When a story explicitly states or shows he's going all out, pushing his strength to its fullest extent or beyond
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Or if he performs a beyond 3-C feat in the same fight, those were my points when I made the list

Although in some cases we must also seek a common sense, Thanos for example, defeated SS and Thor on Earth, on space and in multiple ocasions, so he should scale, despite lacking a few points mentioned above

Apex_Predator_GX said:
Hercules had to strain himself to push back Godzilla’s stomp.
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Okay, that is a interesting point, but if the fight is on Earth I doubt we'll get a 2-C for Godzilla, I'll wait for the others to see what they think
 
I haven’t been following this thread and really don’t care to follow it, but there really shouldn’t be that much discussion on Godzilla.

Thor directly compared it to the Midgard Serpent, Hercules was straining himself just to push back Godzilla’s foot and prevent it from crushing his friend. There was no reason for Hercules to be holding back, Godzilla absolutely scales to him fighting seriously.
 
Lightning_XXI said:
Well, adding a "usually 5-B" for him at least gives some direction to his usual powers for the readers, yeah, well I'm neutral, as long as he keeps his Varies (Which I strongly suggest). Now, aside from Thor and a few others, most of them don't have direct statements of holding back on Earth or something similar like Hulk or Sentry, do you have plans for them aswell ?

I'm aware, but shouldn't the Heralds be equal to Silver Surfer ? Otherwise not only Terrax but a few others may also not scale to SS's peak feat.
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I think that we need to figure out a system for which characters that should scale to which rating for Thor, the Surfer, and other characters that have actually performed feats of a 3-C or 2-C scale. Maverick came up with a good one that I will quote below, for example.

In addition, the other Marvel characters that are also usually treated in an extremely inconsistent manner should preferably also get variable tiers, regardless if there is an official explanation for this or not.
Lightning_XXI said:
I removed him because, well, I was trying to be as careful as possible, but mostly because the fight, despite its clear errors, was listed in his profile so I believed it should be used

If you guys want to call it PIS, which I honestly don't mind considering the other Mangog fights, fine for me, be then yeah he should receive the 2-C rating
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Mangog should probably scale from Thor at his peak, yes.
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Ig:
  • Holding back - When Thor is fighting mortals on Earth and the story doesn't state he's seriously exerting himself or trying to kill them
  • Fighting seriously or at his peak - When a story explicitly states or shows he's going all out, pushing his strength to its fullest extent or beyond
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This seems fine to me, but we should officially acknowledge that the real reason for Thor's variable tier is that the writers all have very different ideas about him. Maybe we could place this information as an standardised footnote text in both Thor's VSBW page and those of other extremely inconsistent characters?
 
LordTracer said:
I haven’t been following this thread and really don’t care to follow it, but there really shouldn’t be that much discussion on Godzilla.

Thor directly compared it to the Midgard Serpent, Hercules was straining himself just to push back Godzilla’s foot and prevent it from crushing his friend. There was no reason for Hercules to be holding back, Godzilla absolutely scales to him fighting seriously.
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Well, it was also Hercules on Earth though. Shouldn't the same rules as for Thor apply regarding how the writers tend to greatly scale down the cosmic-tier characters there?
 
Antvasima said:
Well, it was also Hercules on Earth though. Shouldn't the same rules as for Thor apply regarding how the writers tend to greatly scale down the cosmic-tier characters there?
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LordTracer said this in the old thread:

There’s a difference between “oh they kinda made Thor struggle a little bit” to Hercules admitting that Godzilla’s stomp was greater than any labor he had done before, with the narration mentioning twice that his muscles were straining from the effort.

On top of that, he was trying to prevent Godzilla from crushing Angel, where there would be literally no reason for him to hold back and struggle if he could just casually throw him off. For your interpretation to work, you would have to assume that Hercules, instead of instantly throwing Godzilla off and saving his friend, actively made the decision to hold back and struggle.
 
Eseseso said:
I mean, he tanked a blitz attack from Sentry with his armor at only 7% power.

Even without his force fields, a headbutt from Hulk merely dents his armor

And in that issue where he replicated the destroyer armor, he took a lot of hits from a pissed Thor and was fine.
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Sentry effortlessly ripped out his helmet while on Earth, doom doesn't scale to him.

Him relying on a special prepped armor to stand up against Thor who later thrashed it after he was pissed off enough absolutely doesn't say "power-scaling!" To me, Doom teleported out like a coward once Thor actually reached him anyway.

And I'm pretty damn sure that is God Emperor doom fighting a hairless maestro, the former has an amp, doesn't scale.
 
Apex_Predator_GX said:
LordTracer said this in the old thread:

There’s a difference between “oh they kinda made Thor struggle a little bit” to Hercules admitting that Godzilla’s stomp was greater than any labor he had done before, with the narration mentioning twice that his muscles were straining from the effort.

On top of that, he was trying to prevent Godzilla from crushing Angel, where there would be literally no reason for him to hold back and struggle if he could just casually throw him off. For your interpretation to work, you would have to assume that Hercules, instead of instantly throwing Godzilla off and saving his friend, actively made the decision to hold back and struggle.
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ObberGobb said:
Yeah, if this is not counted as "at peak" I have no idea what would
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Yes, but this is not really about Hercules and similar characters really explicitly holding back, but rather about that the writers almost consistently portray them as enormously less powerful in Earth-like settings than elsewhere.
 
Newendigo said:
Sentry effortlessly ripped out his helmet while on Earth, doom doesn't scale to him.

Him relying on a special prepped armor to stand up against Thor who later thrashed it after he was pissed off enough absolutely doesn't say "power-scaling!" To me, Doom teleported out like a coward once Thor actually reached him anyway.

And I'm pretty damn sure that is God Emperor doom fighting a hairless maestro, the latter has an amp, doesn't scale.
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I strongly agree with this. Thank you for helping out.
 
Newendigo said:
Him relying on a special prepped armor to stand up against Thor who later thrashed it after he was pissed off enough absolutely doesn't say "power-scaling!" To me, Doom teleported out like a coward once Thor actually reached him anyway.
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He still replicated the Destroyer Armor itself.
Newendigo said:
And I'm pretty damn sure that is God Emperor doom fighting a hairless maestro, the former has an amp, doesn't scale.
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Wait, that was God Emperor Doom? Boy that prep feat needs to be yeeted.
 
Antvasima said:
Yes, but this is not really about Hercules and similar characters really explicitly holding back, but rather about that the writers almost consistently portray them as enormously less powerful in Earth-like settings than elsewhere.
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The only reason that Hercules has that 5-B on his page is because we assumed that he holds back like Thor does. If a character is shown to give him significant trouble, make him strain himself to a great degree, and/or there is no reason for him to be holding back, then said character should scale to his normal strength. Trying to reason around that would be disingenuous and cherry-picking.
 
Newendigo said:
The Mighty Avengers #11 from 2007

Source for doom tanking hits from a all out Sentry?

Source for doom tanking hits from a non holding back Thor?

Source for Doom tanking hits from a hulk in the peak of rage?
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Can you provide the image of Sentry ripping off Doom's armor?
 
LordTracer said:
The only reason that Hercules has that 5-B on his page is because we assumed that he holds back like Thor does. If a character is shown to give him significant trouble, make him strain himself to a great degree, and/or there is no reason for him to be holding back, then said character should scale to his normal strength. Trying to reason around that would be disingenuous and cherry-picking.
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I am just trying to be completely honest about that the writer portrayals of these characters tend to be all over the place, but I am not adamant about the Godzilla scaling in particular, just about the general principle of that we have to be honest about the inconsistency, or we end up with almost every Marvel character scaling to Thor's 2-C peak.
 
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