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Doom himself says that his armor had to undergo self-repair procedures after Ben beat him around.
Can you link said statement?
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Marvel Comics Herald Tiers Upgrade to 3-C
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Meh I mean I don’t mind THAT much, it’s just that means alot of Asgardians may need to be readdressed in scaling, since when I originally did the rewrite I listed all of them 4-B assuming no non-PIS antifeats
yeah Groot shouldn’t be.
Again though you need to visibly warp the armor to scale, harming components through it is wayyy lower.
It’s the difference between caving in a skull vs. giving a concussion, to get 6-B off Doom you have to scrap-metal his suit
Lemme try find it, it was in the OG holdbacc revision sandbox
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Well, yeah, because mangog is one of the strongest Thor villains.
Yes. But just delete the file. Its not that good ATM
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Isn’t the most direct but you get the gist of it, she won’t ever go for fatal attacks on her opponents in most scenarios, and honestly given context, oneshots either.
She can also hold back her strength enough to give Spider-Man a decent couple of hits.
I’ll write up my variant of the Captain Marvel scaling, basically no one should scale to her unless she’s getting immensely overpowered or they’re matching her when very pissed, which knocks off half the list, no?
Also to address this:
Graviton (Marvel Comics)
Franklin Hall was a scientist who attempted to create a device for teleportation. During an experiment, he accidentally overloaded the device, causing it to explode. The explosion bound graviton particles to his own molecules, giving him the ability to control gravity. Upon discovering this, he...
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Tracer you keep bringing this file up for scaling so damn often despite me telling you it’s immensely flawed, I am genuinely just going to ask for its deletion.
It uses dogshit presumptions for Gravitron’s powers, their relation to AP and give far more importance to his self-amping over his actual durability.
You can just LOOK through the scans given or some of the feats, and tell it’s immensely wrong. We’ll remake the file some time later, but currently I’m just gonna get it deleted
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I don’t recall talking above Graviton before, but I would think it’s extremely obvious that I was just going off the profile justifications for the sandbox.
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You brought him up in the Iron Man reworks.
I mean you shouldn’t only go off of profile justifications alone though, especially for lacking ones :/
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@Confluctor Also by offsite discussion weren’t you looking into a Wonder Man holdback thing? How’s that going?
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Well, during Fabian Nicieza's Thunderbolts run, Graviton's powers increased to the point that he could easily defeat most superheroes on the planet at the same time. He should definitely be far above High 6-C.
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Smh smh
Y’know the category I listed him in explicitly says that the characters need discussion on if they’d actually scale or not
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That’s wayyy later though, our file isn’t even keyed and recognise they null this relatively quick afterwards the run, where Gravitron is reverted to just be a standard threat
Again the file should just be deleted, Gravitron‘s powerset is shown to be IMMENSELY unconventional, and the profile does a REALLY poor job at showcasing this, it just reduced him to generic blaster dude :V
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Anyways off of scaling to Carol & Friends crowd, think only Star, Marvelbuster (downscale/maybe not at all) and Venom should scale, right?
Abomination resides in the weird overlap so may have to do that after Confluctor completes his Wonder Man stuff
Abomination resides in the weird overlap so may have to do that after Confluctor completes his Wonder Man stuff
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Ulik survived the explosion that destroyed Mjolnir along with Thor.
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Okay, and you would not be willing to clean it up instead?
Okay. Given the context of that he constantly easily gets beaten, it seems like an outlier to me though.
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Again I just think Ulik contextually is supposed to be a 3-C, he's just a jobber
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Meh, Gravitron isn't immensely important, think we can leave it deleted and to be remade later :/
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I don’t mind it being deleted.
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"Refrain from scaling others to this character, as they're portrayed far weaker in practice than what they're contextually meant to be, due to Marvel's lax standards for use of relatively minor characters in stories. As such, they possess many antifeats which are disregarded on this profile to represent a cohesive scaling with respect to the greater verse."
Something to this effect should be a note on his file.
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Alternatively we can try list them Unknown
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Okay. I will do so then, unless a "Variable between High 6-C and 3-C" tier would be acceptable.
That seems fine to me.
Or give him a "Variable between High 6-C and 3-C depending on the story", if that is acceptable, as I find the "holding back" definition too dishonest regarding why we really use this practice.
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...I am confused, who are we talking about?
Gravitron is to be deleted, and Ulik is to either be given a note and remain at 3-C, or be listed Unknown, that is what I'm saying.
Gravitron is to be deleted, and Ulik is to either be given a note and remain at 3-C, or be listed Unknown, that is what I'm saying.
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I haven't had enough time to look for it. I keep getting worked up in other stuff
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Also Ulik has every reason to be 3-C. Like Terrax, he just jobs more than he should. Also losing to Mangog is no brainer. He is by far one of the most powerful Thor characters.
Also he doesn't have or need high 6C. He has no reason to other than PIS.
Also he doesn't have or need high 6C. He has no reason to other than PIS.
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There must be reasons that justify a variable level, in this case there are not, they are just the inconsistencies between the scriptwriters, if it is going to be left as variable for this reason then all the characters must also have a variable level.
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Oh no dude, he's been ****** over by Punisher and shit. Even Ant gave multiple examples.
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Oh wow, yeah ok that's worse than I expected. He definitely needs a note then. I retract my suggestion to scale Bleeding Edge to him.
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I meant that I prefer if we switch to somewhat variable tiers, rather than the "holding back" rationale, as it seems more honest, and it also works better for characters like Ulik and Graviton, who usually differ a lot from writer to writer.
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About wonder man, i can't find any varied statements or something from any of the RTs but I do remember that he tends to get stronger with each resurrection - West Coast Avengers Vol 1 3. That is shown through his feats often. His first resurrection was around the 80s, second around 90s, and third in 2010s. Current version so far is the strongest one - at least durability wise - but he is a pacifist so hard to scale.
During the 90s - Wonder Man Vol 2 25 to be more specific - he absorbrd the power of eight other ionic people and it seemed to have amped him.
I would read his shit and separate him properly.... But 700 issues are too much. So probably not.
During the 90s - Wonder Man Vol 2 25 to be more specific - he absorbrd the power of eight other ionic people and it seemed to have amped him.
I would read his shit and separate him properly.... But 700 issues are too much. So probably not.
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...how is it more honest? And the logic you're giving snowballs into "Varies, 9-C to 3-C Spider-Man, depending on the writer"
It just makes Marvel ratings completely irrelevant or made up, OR just allow outliers to be listed. Thor and Surfer holding back isn't even dishonest, basically EVERY SINGLE MAJOR WRITER repeats the exact same narrative, we have NEVER made up "holding back" for a character, hell we've rejected it altogether for characters like Namor, or the Thing, or lower tiers.
Like it's a really bad idea to dismiss characters holding back, EVEN WORSE to further trivialize over SOME contradictory feats.
Also Gravitron doesn't vary writer to writer, you're oversimplifying it, he gets a power progression.
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I agree completely. The Varies tier is only for characters that actually vary in power, not for ones that are just inconsistent because comic book logic.
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Ok, I have many issues with this then. When did he ever do this? That's not something that can just happen. The guy could be on Thor's level for all we know, do we explicitly know that there is no silly "holding back" for him for others to scale to 5-B?
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There’s been no evidence given that suggests he does hold back so…
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That is not what I asked. Marvel can be stupid for scaling, so I fear he could hold back, I asked if we explicitly know he doesn't, and if nobody showed that he doesn't then that's not the same. I appeal to knowing full well the character given his larger relevance for scaling.
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How exactly do you expect it to be proven that he doesn’t hold back when there’s been no evidence that suggests he does?
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Nah, Gilgamesh doesn't hold back. Especially around that era when he was quite evil - more than usual and whatnot. And a few of the Eternals fought him then.
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