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Eternals kinda are, tbh. They're downscaled from standard heralds, in context to their verse placements, with Gilgamesh being physically the strongest.The guy could be on Thor's level for all we know
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Eternals kinda are, tbh. They're downscaled from standard heralds, in context to their verse placements, with Gilgamesh being physically the strongest.The guy could be on Thor's level for all we know
...how is it more honest? And the logic you're giving snowballs into "Varies, 9-C to 3-C Spider-Man, depending on the writer"
It just makes Marvel ratings completely irrelevant or made up, OR just allow outliers to be listed. Thor and Surfer holding back isn't even dishonest, basically EVERY SINGLE MAJOR WRITER repeats the exact same narrative, we have NEVER made up "holding back" for a character, hell we've rejected it altogether for characters like Namor, or the Thing, or lower tiers.
Like it's a really bad idea to dismiss characters holding back, EVEN WORSE to further trivialize over SOME contradictory feats.
Also Gravitron doesn't vary writer to writer, you're oversimplifying it, he gets a power progression.
Okay. I seem to be outvoted then.I agree completely. The Varies tier is only for characters that actually vary in power, not for ones that are just inconsistent because comic book logic.
That is correct, yes.Eternals kinda are, tbh. They're downscaled from standard heralds, in context to their verse placements, with Gilgamesh being physically the strongest.
6-B rejected altogether, 5-B is getting argued upon, main point being Gilgamesh and those scaling to 5-B should be 3-C to begin with.What is left to decide? 3-C has been applied. Has 5-B and 6-B been agreed upon yet?
Because you say so?3-C from what feats? Literally not a single one belong there.
They never have.If we wanna go down that route, literally everyone of the high 6cs can belong on 3-C because they are all considered as op as Thor and Hulk and Hercules.
Slippery slope.Oh yeah, Blue Marvel and Anti Man at tier 2 and 1. Very based.
Ares can very well be subject to upgrades, and Carol also holds certain mechanics that can very well be 3-CAnd yeah, they do have anti feats. The same issue is literally the biggest anti feat in his story. He literally gets his ass kicked by Ares and carol. Very 3-C of him.
PIS not considered because Sentry lore isn't priority 24/7Anyway, so how about him stalemating Sentry at his absolutely weakest then, hmm
You mean the guy who kills every single hero in his equivalent universe? See the issue?Or being weaker than king Hyperion
Okay. No problem.Apologize, I'm not nearly knowledgeable enough about Marvel to properly help here.
Yeah, Thor and Hulk, and a few herald tiers. And we didn't even see the fight. Plus he had people like gambit and them lot with him, who can negate Dura and stuff like that.From what I vaguely recall, we saw King Hyperion stand beside a pile of dead superheroes in a flashback in the Exiles comic book, but it is best if somebody can investigate.
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I would greatly appreciate your help with deciding how to properly scale the characters here.
4-B scaling was already a massive Gordian's knot of issues. 3-C is just an even worse and bigger Gordian's knot.I would still appreciate your help here. It is very important to get this properly done, and not half-finished.
He did, but King Hyperion also killed Galactus. Its questionable how strong those versions of the characters are. Especially when a nerfed 616 Juggernaut and Blue Marvel can fight him in relatively even battles.Hyperion stand beside a pile of dead superheroes in a flashback in the Exiles comic book, but it is best if somebody can investigate.
Well, that just makes it extra important to make a serious effort with trying our best to figure out how to properly scale the characters.4-B scaling was already a massive Gordian's knot of issues. 3-C is just an even worse and bigger Gordian's knot.
Unless we decide what actually qualifies for serious Thor or whatever we're not going to get anywhere in my view.
Aren't there supposed to already be guidelines for this on the Marvel Comics page?Unless we decide what actually qualifies for serious Thor or whatever we're not going to get anywhere in my view.
There are, yes.Aren't there supposed to already be guidelines for this on the Marvel Comics page?
Yeah that's fine.apply his suggested revisions for the moment