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Eternals kinda are, tbh. They're downscaled from standard heralds, in context to their verse placements, with Gilgamesh being physically the strongest.
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Marvel Comics Herald Tiers Upgrade to 3-C
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Okay. I seem to be outvoted then.
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That is correct, yes.
Btw: Should we still call the physically strongest Eternal Gilgamesh, or just The Forgotten One, given that another character much closer to the actual mythical Gilgamesh showed up in Hercules comic books some year ago?
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I mean given MCU film adapting the Forgotten One as Gilgamesh, I'd say we let the Eternal have the name
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I think we can just have both profiles named Gilgamesh, like how DC has like, three characters named Cain.
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Then it isn't an issue yet, IMO.
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6-B rejected altogether, 5-B is getting argued upon, main point being Gilgamesh and those scaling to 5-B should be 3-C to begin with.
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3-C from what feats? Literally not a single one belong there. And contextual placement don't apply to them. In case of Terrax and Ulii, they legit has feats of that level, whereas these guys don't.
If we wanna go down that route, literally everyone of the high 6cs can belong on 3-C because they are all considered as op as Thor and Hulk and Hercules.
If we wanna go down that route, literally everyone of the high 6cs can belong on 3-C because they are all considered as op as Thor and Hulk and Hercules.
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Because you say so?
They never have.
Anti-Man and Blue Marvel literally get stated by Sentry to be the strongest ******* he fought, Gilgamesh gets stated repeatedly to be = Thor and has no antifeats.
Only wonk ones are the rest of the Eternals and Captain Marvel, which should just remain High 6-C
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Oh yeah, Blue Marvel and Anti Man at tier 2 and 1. Very based.
And yeah, they do have anti feats. The same issue is literally the biggest anti feat in his story. He literally gets his ass kicked by Ares and carol. Very 3-C of him.
And yeah, they do have anti feats. The same issue is literally the biggest anti feat in his story. He literally gets his ass kicked by Ares and carol. Very 3-C of him.
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Slippery slope.
Ares can very well be subject to upgrades, and Carol also holds certain mechanics that can very well be 3-C
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Uhhh?
Anyway, so how about him stalemating Sentry at his absolutely weakest then, hmm? Or being weaker than king Hyperion who just slightly upscales from the current high 6-Cs (Hyperion 712)?
Anyway, so how about him stalemating Sentry at his absolutely weakest then, hmm? Or being weaker than king Hyperion who just slightly upscales from the current high 6-Cs (Hyperion 712)?
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PIS not considered because Sentry lore isn't priority 24/7
You mean the guy who kills every single hero in his equivalent universe? See the issue?
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No, it is pretty important here. Its like giving batman 4-B for punching Superman with Kryptonite.
And so? Literally every single feat of his doesn't even come close to those 3-C. And since we do slap such high tiers on alt realities? For all we know, they were probably street tier.
Look at his feats, at every turn he is comparable to the current High 6-Cs do you not see an issue with this?
And so? Literally every single feat of his doesn't even come close to those 3-C. And since we do slap such high tiers on alt realities? For all we know, they were probably street tier.
Look at his feats, at every turn he is comparable to the current High 6-Cs do you not see an issue with this?
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@C2_of_Omegon @Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepme @LuciferDC099 @Ehnkr2beboh @Deagonx @Elizio33 @LordTracer @MarvelFanatic119 @catzlaflame @Armorchompy @LephyrTheRevanchist
I would greatly appreciate your help with deciding how to properly scale the characters here.
I would greatly appreciate your help with deciding how to properly scale the characters here.
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What if he did it through prep time? Or used someone else to kill him - which is pretty in character for him? Or just dumped them in another dimension? Or through a random weapon? Too many uncertainties and anti feats to consider it anything above his current rating - 5-B at best if the 5b thing go through, which i am personally starting to doubt more and more.
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Apologize, I'm not nearly knowledgeable enough about Marvel to properly help here.
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Okay. No problem.
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Yeah, Thor and Hulk, and a few herald tiers. And we didn't even see the fight. Plus he had people like gambit and them lot with him, who can negate Dura and stuff like that.
Killing Thor and Hulk of an alt reality should never ever be even considered. They get killed every Wednesday by some low tiers.
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I would still appreciate your help here. It is very important to get this properly done, and not half-finished.
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If you have the time and energy to manage it, your help would be appreciated as well.
I would still appreciate your help here. It is very important to get this properly done, and not half-finished.
@The_Impress
If you have the time and energy to manage it, your help would be appreciated as well.
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4-B scaling was already a massive Gordian's knot of issues. 3-C is just an even worse and bigger Gordian's knot.
Unless we decide what actually qualifies for serious Thor or whatever we're not going to get anywhere in my view.
He did, but King Hyperion also killed Galactus. Its questionable how strong those versions of the characters are. Especially when a nerfed 616 Juggernaut and Blue Marvel can fight him in relatively even battles.
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Hyperion 712 and Goggled Hyperion were also matching him on almost equal grounds, who are both consistently high 6-Cs.
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Well, that just makes it extra important to make a serious effort with trying our best to figure out how to properly scale the characters.
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Aren't there supposed to already be guidelines for this on the Marvel Comics page?
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Yes. And the list I made allllllll scales to serious Thor and Surfer in one way or another.
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There are, yes.
It's left case-by-case to a degree though, because they should be GUIDELINES, not, RULES. Flexibility is important.
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Yeah that's fine.
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