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Marvel Comics Herald Tiers Upgrade to 3-C

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I think that the statistics were unreliable and the character had too few appearances.
 
Confluctor said:
few appearances, barebone page, and stats... well, they are questionable, depending on whom you ask. different interpretations and stuff
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Well, he did only appear for like 4-5 comics, but he did have some decent stats:

1. Way above Well-fed Galactus IIRC, as he easily subjugated him

2. During his fight with Clyde Wincham of Earth 616, they were far above the likes of Odin, Galactus, and IIRC Eternity as they used them as mere avatars in their battle

3. Even when Dr. Doom with millions of years of prep was so powerful that he literally could kill a Watcher (and yes it was definitely him, as he said that he was protecting his secrets from prying eyes, cue him standing next to a dead Watcher), he stated that the Marquis of Death was still vastly above him.

3.5. Also, it was stated by Reed that the force that killed the Watcher "was killed by an off-the-scale power source", and since Reed knows how strong Galactus is (which is why Dark Phoenix Jean is at least a 2-A since Reed measured her as equal to well-fed Galactus), so the watcher's killer (aka, Doom with serious prep time) was >= to Galactus, and he STILL thought the Marquis was way above him in power.


Anyways, sorry for slightly derailing.
 
I do not know. Aren't we discussing roughly the same thing in both of them. Constantly switching between two different threads to try to reach a solution seems counter-productive and confusing.
 
Nah, that one is more for scaling the heralds in general and removing some which don't belong there. Its a clean up.

Plus after fixing the changes, we can use that blog for the verse page.
 
Okay then, but I still think that it will likely be confusing to switch back and forth.
 
Initially I was gonna wait for this to end completely but not sure that can happen anytime soon lol. The other one will be out of the way in like a days time
 
Okay. No problem.
 
Kulf_Boba said:
A few questions.
Do you know of any mention of the power of 1000 suns in any of Stan Lee's comics, since according to him this power is enough to destroy an entire galaxy.


And who scales Hungry Galactus? Since he is able to move galaxies across the universe, feat 3-C.



And it can also destroy multiple galaxies.
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Do you have the sources for these?
 
Firestorm808 said:
Do you have the sources for these?
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  1. Journey Into Mystery Vol. 1 104
  2. ROM Vol 1 27
  3. Cosmic Powers Vol 1 6

Firestorm808 said:
These as well.
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Avengers Vol 8 27 - 30 - for all of them. Its a long arc so reading it together will make more sense.

Firestorm808 said:
These too.
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  1. I will find it soon
  2. ROM Vol 1 27
  3. Cosmic Powers Vol 1 6

Firestorm808 said:
These as well.
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  1. Thor Vol 1 351 and Journey into Mystery Vol 1 104
  2. Journey into Mystery Vol 1 104
  3. Thor Vol 1 1 - 4
 
These are the main changes in the profiles that are updated to 3-C: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kulf_Boba/4-A

Mjolnir​

Attack Potency: Galaxy level (Thor using Mjolnir is able to destroy the material from which the Celestials' armor is made and was also able to shatter an avatar of Exitar, such material is capable of emerging unscathed from galactic explosions. Draws its power from the God Tempest)

Durability: Galaxy level (Capable of absorbing and projecting the magnetic energies of a galaxy, as a reference Thor considers absorbing the Earth's magnetic energy to be a high-level attack. Absorbs and deflects the energies of the Null bomb, which was to destroy the Black Galaxy. It contains within it the God Tempest, a galaxy-destroying sentient storm as big as galaxies)

Thor​

Attack Potency: Large Island level (Usually operates under a far lower power level in fear of killing his mortal opponents. Comparable to Hulk and the Thing), Galaxy level at peak (It is hinted that he shook the universe as a side effect of the launch of his Mjolnir. Creates in Asgard a storm so powerful that its winds reach the Earth creating a great destruction. Being in his base and even amplifying his power x2 he is able to destroy the material of which the armors of the Celestials are made and he was also able to destroy an avatar of Exitar, such material is capable of emerging unscathed from galactic explosions. Slightly dented the Silver Surfer's forehead with a headbutt. Loki even commented that Thor has greater strength than the Silver Surfer while fighting a serious Norrin), higher with the Thermo-Blast (Bested Ego), up to Low Multiverse level, possibly Multiverse level+ with the God Blast (Defeated Zelia, who was twice the strength of Odin)

Durability: Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak (Survive the destruction of the Black Galaxy without a scratch. Survived an explosion that destroyed Mjolnir, and a headbutt against the Silver Surfer, which gave Norrin a slightly dented forehead, only bruised Thor)

Jane Foster​

Attack Potency: Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak (Should be equal to the original Thor. I use the power of Mother Storm to casually neutralize a Supernova, and in doing so summon a beam capable of crossing from one galaxy to another and shaking planets half a universe away) | Variable. At least Large Island level, likely Galaxy level (Overpowered Rakkva-possessed Thor)

Mangog​

Attack Potency: Galaxy level (Consistently stomped Thor in nearly all of their encounters together. Easily stomped a Destroyer powered by Freyja. Stated by Ulik to be a hundred times stronger than him, although this may be hyperbolic. Fought Jane Foster at full power)

Silver Surfer​

Attack Potency: Large Island level (Refrains from using his full strength in most instances), Galaxy level at peak (Should be somewhat comparable to Thor, albeit weaker according to Loki. Being furious, he was able to create a black hole encompassing a large part of the Andromeda galaxy using his cosmic energy discharges. When Dr. Doom stole Silver Surfer's powers, he mentioned that this cosmic energy used in its entirety could destroy a galaxy. The Watcher Vartu mentions that in Silver Surfer's battle against Uni-Lord they destroyed galaxies, the latter is capable of devouring entire galaxies with a thought. Broke through vibranium walls) | Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak (Imbued with more power by Galactus. Capable of activating a device that was keyed to Thanos' level of power, while in an extremely weakened state)

Durability: Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak (It passes unscathed through the heart of exploding galaxies and other more powerful cosmic conflagrations. Can withstand blows from Thor). Regeneration makes him extremely difficult to kill. | Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak

Beta Ray Bill​

Attack Potency: Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak (As a side effect of their battle with Stardust, they shook the universe by darkening the stars and knocking the planets out of their orbits. Ikon stated that he was on the same level as Quasar, Gladiator, and the Silver Surfer without restriction.[1])

Durability: Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak (Even before he used Stormbreaker, he fought Thor without Mjolnir.[2] It has survived the explosion generated by the destruction of Stormbreaker, this hammer is made of Uru metal and is considered the brother of the Mjolnir)

Stardust​

Attack Potency: Galaxy level (Can match and stalemate Beta Ray Bill and the other heralds. As a side effect of their battle with Beta Ray Bill, they shook the universe by darkening the stars and knocking the planets out of their orbits.)

Sentry​

Attack Potency: Varies (due to his powers relying on his mental condition) from Below Average Human level to Athlete level physically (Sometimes he is an extremely weak man, but other times he is comparable to an average man.), up to Galaxy level with avatars (Can summon Sentry and Void at any time, and can even "control"/"use" them mentally.[3]) | Varies from Large Island level (Easily overpowered the She-Hulk, has easily overpowered The Thing multiple times, has matched and overpowered Ares.) to Galaxy level (Repeatedly stated to have the power of a million exploding suns, in the Marvel Universe the explosion of one Sun is capable of obliterating multiple solar systems. Stronger than other herald-level characters, such as Thor. Stalemated World War Hulk despite his mental state at that time.[4] Easily overpowered Terrax.[5]), higher when stable | Varies up to Galaxy level (Easily overpowered the original Avengers,[6] including Thor. Broke every bone in the Hulk's body.[7]), higher when stable | Varies up to Galaxy level (At least twice as powerful as his former forms. Easily overpowered his former sidekick who was matching him in power in his Sentry form.[8][9] It pierced the armor of a dead Celestial, such armors are capable of emerging unscathed from galactic explosions)

Ulik​

Durability: Galaxy level (Survived an explosion that destroyed Mjolnir)

Hercules​

Attack Potency: Likely Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak (I claim to have enough power to shake the universe. Consistently shown as Thor's equal, physically strongest sons of Zeus[10], it was said that he could possibly stop World War Hulk but he did not do it for moral reasons[11][12])
 
Kulf_Boba said:
These are the main changes in the profiles that are updated to 3-C: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kulf_Boba/4-A

Mjolnir​

Attack Potency: Galaxy level (Thor using Mjolnir is able to destroy the material from which the Celestials' armor is made and was also able to shatter an avatar of Exitar, such material is capable of emerging unscathed from galactic explosions. Draws its power from the God Tempest)

Durability: Galaxy level (Capable of absorbing and projecting the magnetic energies of a galaxy, as a reference Thor considers absorbing the Earth's magnetic energy to be a high-level attack. Absorbs and deflects the energies of the Null bomb, which was to destroy the Black Galaxy. It contains within it the God Tempest, a galaxy-destroying sentient storm as big as galaxies)

Thor​

Attack Potency: Large Island level (Usually operates under a far lower power level in fear of killing his mortal opponents. Comparable to Hulk and the Thing), Galaxy level at peak (It is hinted that he shook the universe as a side effect of the launch of his Mjolnir. Creates in Asgard a storm so powerful that its winds reach the Earth creating a great destruction. Being in his base and even amplifying his power x2 he is able to destroy the material of which the armors of the Celestials are made and he was also able to destroy an avatar of Exitar, such material is capable of emerging unscathed from galactic explosions. Slightly dented the Silver Surfer's forehead with a headbutt. Loki even commented that Thor has greater strength than the Silver Surfer while fighting a serious Norrin), higher with the Thermo-Blast (Bested Ego), up to Low Multiverse level, possibly Multiverse level+ with the God Blast (Defeated Zelia, who was twice the strength of Odin)

Durability: Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak (Survive the destruction of the Black Galaxy without a scratch. Survived an explosion that destroyed Mjolnir, and a headbutt against the Silver Surfer, which gave Norrin a slightly dented forehead, only bruised Thor)

Jane Foster​

Attack Potency: Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak (Should be equal to the original Thor. I use the power of Mother Storm to casually neutralize a Supernova, and in doing so summon a beam capable of crossing from one galaxy to another and shaking planets half a universe away) | Variable. At least Large Island level, likely Galaxy level (Overpowered Rakkva-possessed Thor)

Mangog​

Attack Potency: Galaxy level (Consistently stomped Thor in nearly all of their encounters together. Easily stomped a Destroyer powered by Freyja. Stated by Ulik to be a hundred times stronger than him, although this may be hyperbolic. Fought Jane Foster at full power)

Silver Surfer​

Attack Potency: Large Island level (Refrains from using his full strength in most instances), Galaxy level at peak (Should be somewhat comparable to Thor, albeit weaker according to Loki. Being furious, he was able to create a black hole encompassing a large part of the Andromeda galaxy using his cosmic energy discharges. When Dr. Doom stole Silver Surfer's powers, he mentioned that this cosmic energy used in its entirety could destroy a galaxy. The Watcher Vartu mentions that in Silver Surfer's battle against Uni-Lord they destroyed galaxies, the latter is capable of devouring entire galaxies with a thought. Broke through vibranium walls) | Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak (Imbued with more power by Galactus. Capable of activating a device that was keyed to Thanos' level of power, while in an extremely weakened state)

Durability: Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak (It passes unscathed through the heart of exploding galaxies and other more powerful cosmic conflagrations. Can withstand blows from Thor). Regeneration makes him extremely difficult to kill. | Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak

Beta Ray Bill​

Attack Potency: Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak (As a side effect of their battle with Stardust, they shook the universe by darkening the stars and knocking the planets out of their orbits. Ikon stated that he was on the same level as Quasar, Gladiator, and the Silver Surfer without restriction.[1])

Durability: Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak (Even before he used Stormbreaker, he fought Thor without Mjolnir.[2] It has survived the explosion generated by the destruction of Stormbreaker, this hammer is made of Uru metal and is considered the brother of the Mjolnir)

Stardust​

Attack Potency: Galaxy level (Can match and stalemate Beta Ray Bill and the other heralds. As a side effect of their battle with Beta Ray Bill, they shook the universe by darkening the stars and knocking the planets out of their orbits.)

Sentry​

Attack Potency: Varies (due to his powers relying on his mental condition) from Below Average Human level to Athlete level physically (Sometimes he is an extremely weak man, but other times he is comparable to an average man.), up to Galaxy level with avatars (Can summon Sentry and Void at any time, and can even "control"/"use" them mentally.[3]) | Varies from Large Island level (Easily overpowered the She-Hulk, has easily overpowered The Thing multiple times, has matched and overpowered Ares.) to Galaxy level (Repeatedly stated to have the power of a million exploding suns, in the Marvel Universe the explosion of one Sun is capable of obliterating multiple solar systems. Stronger than other herald-level characters, such as Thor. Stalemated World War Hulk despite his mental state at that time.[4] Easily overpowered Terrax.[5]), higher when stable | Varies up to Galaxy level (Easily overpowered the original Avengers,[6] including Thor. Broke every bone in the Hulk's body.[7]), higher when stable | Varies up to Galaxy level (At least twice as powerful as his former forms. Easily overpowered his former sidekick who was matching him in power in his Sentry form.[8][9] It pierced the armor of a dead Celestial, such armors are capable of emerging unscathed from galactic explosions)

Ulik​

Durability: Galaxy level (Survived an explosion that destroyed Mjolnir)

Hercules​

Attack Potency: Likely Large Island level, Galaxy level at peak (I claim to have enough power to shake the universe. Consistently shown as Thor's equal, physically strongest sons of Zeus[10], it was said that he could possibly stop World War Hulk but he did not do it for moral reasons[11][12])
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Amazing
 
Kulf_Boba said:
Varies up to Galaxy level (At least twice as powerful as his former forms. Easily overpowered his former sidekick who was matching him in power in his Sentry form.[8][9] It pierced the armor of a dead Celestial, such armors are capable of emerging unscathed from galactic explosions)
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Amazing work. Tho a quick nitpick here, sorry.

The celestial destruction was done by unstable sentry.and not his merged form. Cates didn't even know sentry was merged back then, so he wrote them as they usually are.
 
I performed several fixes to your draft page. It seems good to me now.

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Confluctor said:
Amazing work. Tho a quick nitpick here, sorry.

The celestial destruction was done by unstable sentry.and not his merged form. Cates didn't even know sentry was merged back then, so he wrote them as they usually are.
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Didn't Cates just return the Sentry to his usual costume? I thought that Cates had written the Sentry in a miniseries just previously, or was that somebody else?
 
Nah Lemire was the one to write the Lemire mini.

Apparently Cates didn't know Sentry had merged so he was writing him as unstable Sentry/Void.
 
No problem. To me it seems fine to publish. However, we need to figure out the scaling for other characters as well.
 
So what is currently left to do here, given the revisions initiated in our other thread?
 
Okay. That is probably fine. However, we should continue to talk about it in our other thread as well.
 
I will make a separate thread for the 3-C scaling in a bit then. That one is currently solving issues with high 6-C
 
We cannot have 3 concurrent threads dealing with roughly the same issues...
 
Nearly 600 messages here plus around 250 in the other one. Plus a lot ofe derailing and stonewalling


The herald rescaling thread is about the high 6c one right now. Once that finishes, we would close it anyway. We are just waiting to fix a potential problem and that might take a bit of time too

Anyway we could do it after one of these ends. Cause a lot of people have issues with the 3c scaling - for whatever reason eh
 
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Well, we might have to close the two current threads, after we first link to the new one, in that case, as we cannot fragment our discussion like this.
 
You would need to write explanations regarding the progress so far, and what we still have to do, in the first post of the new thread, if we are going to close the two current threads, though.
 
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