Marvel Comics Herald Tiers Upgrade to 3-C

[Kulf_Boba]

that's a massive Outlier, Arishem was literally tanking Thor's strongest attacks without paying attention to him, that he can now damage Exitar is just PIS

How do you know those attacks were as strong as the one he gave Arishem? When Thor attacked him he mentioned that it was his strongest blow and that it only created a small gap, keep in mind that the same comic says that Arishem didn't even feel it.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Thor was using amps in this arc - an armour and whatnot. So doesn't scale to his base.

Does the armor increase his AP? The only thing that increased his strength was the belt which increases it x2.

 

[Confluctor]

From what I can remember, yes

 

[Antvasima]

I mean then we'll not scale them altogether, and they'll have to use their own feats if the assertion is that :V

So do you suggest that we should scale the Surfer, Thor, and similar characters, to 3-C, and lower "herald" level characters to High 4-C or so based on Gladiator's and Binary's feats?

 

[Antvasima]

Its not even an alt reality, it's just a what if he shows to Surfer

Okay. We probably cannot use that then.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Okay. We probably cannot use that then.

Above I already explained why the Watcher was referring to the prologue of the other chapter and not that the whole story is a What If.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Never mind then.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

From what I can remember, yes

Well until you confirm it, if we assume the armor doesn't increase his AP this feat can scale to Thor's base considering here he only had a x2 increase?

At his base he should be able to open a hole but smaller than this feat.

 

[Confluctor]

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4949NPMRlM0/VnqBXURNoNI/AAAAAAAAaWQ/cvZeru33Zrs/s0-Ic42/RCO016.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eOVFOKQmcB4/VnqBXkMh8dI/AAAAAAAAaWQ/WXvMEvRYhRs/s0-Ic42/RCO017.jpg

He also has the hammer here, so that's another thing.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pV20gwxO7dg/VnqBgutQ5VI/AAAAAAAAaZI/D5gAVyfRvgQ/s0-Ic42/RCO008.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vK0DT5bQC2o/VnqBg8lcfkI/AAAAAAAAaZQ/Y2u9LNDLaA4/s0-Ic42/RCO009.jpg

Also hits Exitar with a stronger force than Arishem. In issue 387, the shockwave just destroys some mountains or something, but this one sends ripples across the entire planet and does more damage.


Tho there is no explicit mention of the armour amping him - well aside from the belt. But it's sorta hinted at ig?

 

[The_Impress]

So do you suggest that we should scale the Surfer, Thor, and similar characters, to 3-C, and lower "herald" level characters to High 4-C or so based on Gladiator's and Binary's feats?

I don't know, maybe?? Firstly what do you mean by this "lower level" exactly?

 

[Kulf_Boba]

But it's sorta hinted at ig?

I do not understand what you mean?

The armor doesn't seem to increase his AP, it just gives him more durability. What increases the power and durability of Thor's own body is the Megingjord belt.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

How do you know those attacks were as strong as the one he gave Arishem? When Thor attacked him he mentioned that it was his strongest blow and that it only created a small gap, keep in mind that the same comic says that Arishem didn't even feel it.

Exitar, not Arishem


Thor himself described Arishem ignoring him like a fly, after trying to get his attention (which fails), Thor gathers a power that his hammer can barely withstand for a limited time (which means that he is gathering 3-C energy since his hammer has feats of containing that level of energy without any problem according to this thread) and throws it at the Celestial, you know what? The judge barely notice it and Thor himself says that he failed to stop Him, just before Exitar's appearance.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Thor himself described Arishem ignoring him like a fly, after trying to get his attention (which fails), Thor gathers a power that his hammer can barely withstand for a limited time (which means that he is gathering 3-C energy since his hammer has feats of containing that level of energy without any problem according to this thread) and throws it at the Celestial, you know what? The judge barely notice it and Thor himself says that he failed to stop Him, just before Exitar's appearance.

Thor mentions that he is absorbing the magnetic energies of the planet, the fact that the hammer does not hold is just an exaggeration. If Mjolnir is capable of absorbing the magnetic energies of an entire galaxy.


And it is evident that one attack is stronger than the other because of the collateral damage they leave behind. One breaks the peaks a little in kilometers while the other breaks them much more and even shakes the planet.

 

[Eseseso]

I'm sorry but could I get the link for starving Galactus's feat of moving a galaxy?

 

[Kulf_Boba]

I'm sorry but could I get the link for starving Galactus's feat of moving a galaxy?

 

[Antvasima]

Given that all of the planets and stars of the galaxy still surround the spaceknights, it was left ambiguous if Galactus only moved the planet Galador or the entire galaxy, so it is not a sufficiently certain example to base our scaling on.

 

[Antvasima]

I don't know, maybe?? Firstly what do you mean by this "lower level" exactly?

I do not have a list of specific characters in my head. I just note that most of these characters exerting themselves at peak capacity have nowhere near the scale of feats that the Surfer and Thor do. For example, Binary barely managed to stabilise the Sun when it was infected in an issue of Quasar. I don't remember the exact circumstance so well though.

 

[LordTracer]

Unless I’m missing something here, it doesn’t seem like Galactus moved it with telekinesis or anything that’d be applicable to his AP?

 

[Antvasima]

Also, going by the visual evidence and the statement "but Galador is missing", he simply teleported the planet, not the galaxy.

 

[The_Impress]

I do not have a list of specific characters in my head. I just note that most of these characters exerting themselves at peak capacity have nowhere near the scale of feats that the Surfer and Thor do. For example, Binary barely managed to stabilise the Sun when it was infected in an issue of Quasar. I don't remember the exact circumstance so well though.

I feel we can do that, yeah. I feel like we'll have to heavily recheck the feats for current 4-Bs tho

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Help in this regard from everyone here would be very appreciated.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Given that all of the planets and stars of the galaxy still surround the spaceknights, it was left ambiguous if Galactus only moved the planet Galador or the entire galaxy, so it is not a sufficiently certain example to base our scaling on.

Galactus teleported them elsewhere in space, and the Golden Galaxy was moved from where it was by something Rom mentions:
as he said, turnabout is fair play, the Golden Galaxy is no louger plunging towards certain destruction in the dark nebula -- but neither is it anywhere where we spaceknights can hope to find it...

 

[Antvasima]

As far as I recall and noticed, Rom said that this was the part of space occupied by the Golden Galaxy, but Galador was nowhere to be found, and he was surrounded by other stars and planets, to signify that the galaxy was still there, so I think that it was an accidental wording error from the writer.

I also recall that I looked through some later Rom: Spaceknight issues long ago regarding this very issue, due to finding it confusing, and that these only mentioned that the planet Galador had been moved, but am not certain anymore, as it was several years ago.

In any case, given the uncertainties regarding the issue, and that it would make no sense for Galactus to teleport an entire galaxy when teleporting just a planet would be enough, and that I think Galactus was beaten by the Wraithworld sun in the same story right before this happened, I would greatly prefer if we use other feats to scale the characters from. I do not want any question marks to be present for such an important revision.

 

[Armorchompy]

I think that if we need to re-evaluate the scaling, we should do so in a separate thread after this is concluded.

 

[LordTracer]

I think that if we need to re-evaluate the scaling, we should do so in a separate thread after this is concluded.

Agreed.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

So should we scale all of the herald level characters to 3-C, 4-A, or "At least 4-A, likely 3-C" for the time being?

 

[TyranoDoom30]

I personally agree with 4-A, likely 3-C. But 3-C can work

 

[The_Impress]

Okay. No problem.

So should we scale all of the herald level characters to 3-C, 4-A, or "At least 4-A, likely 3-C" for the time being?

Nah we'll talk application in the other thread as well then, going through the files twice is an immense waste of time

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Would you be willing to handle it, including listing all of the self-evident 4-A and 3-C feats and calculations that we have accepted here so far?

 

[The_Impress]

Okay. Would you be willing to handle it, including listing all of the self-evident 4-A and 3-C feats and calculations that we have accepted here so far?

I am abit too overworked between 3 sitewides and a sickness, can someone else reliable compile them?

 

[Confluctor]

I am doing that rn

 

[Firestorm808]

Here's the document that I'm using so far. Feel free to add to it.

I'm still going through the various Thor Respect Threads and compiling the data.

Any help cataloging everything down in the spreadsheet is appreciated.

 

[Antvasima]

I am abit too overworked between 3 sitewides and a sickness, can someone else reliable compile them?

No problem. I hope that you will get well soon.

I am doing that rn

Thank you for helping out. It is appreciated.

Any help cataloging everything down in the spreadsheet is appreciated.

Is somebody willing to assist Firestorm with this please?

 

[Confluctor]

We should probably continue and finish this

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, agreed. Impress is taking a break from this community.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Yes, agreed. Impress is taking a break from this community.

@Confluctor said he would take care of it.

But users should decide whether we opt for 4-A, possibly 3-C or 3-C directly.

Here's what's in it for 3-C.

• When Dr. Doom stole Silver Surfer's powers, he mentioned that this cosmic energy used in its entirety could destroy a galaxy (Silver Surfer was weakened before Dr. Doom stole his powers)
• Silver Surfer crossed unharmed through the heart of exploding galaxies and other cosmic conflagration
• Suzanne Selby mentions that she will set fire to the entire Shi'ar galaxy
• It could cause a universal armageddon according to Silver Surfer.
• Firelord claims that Star Brand can melt the stars along with everything else in the heavens.
• It is said that in Silver Surfer's battle against Uni-Lord they destroyed galaxies.
• It was mentioned that the Uni-Lord is capable of devouring entire Galaxies with a thought.
• Thor consistently withstands casual blows from Surtur, who can casually blow up a galaxy.
• Thor survives an explosion that breaks Mjolnir, which, as we have already seen, can contain energies such as those of the Null bomb or the God Storm.
• Black Bolt defeated Sphinx, who claimed to be able to destroy a galaxy with thought.
• According to Stan Lee the power of a thousand suns is enough to destroy an entire galaxy (I believe Thor and Silver Surfer have mentions of having this power).
• Thor withstands a casual attack from Perrikus' spear that can cleave Mjolnir in half. Then, in their second fight, Thor completely dominates Perrikus.
• Casually breaks a Celestial container that resisted the Black Galaxy explosion from close range.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

By the way, is breaking a Celestial's armor considered a 3-C feat or not?
Why it can also serve as a backup for Thor and Sentry's 3-C.

 

[Confluctor]

Not sure tbh. I will look into their feats sometime soon.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the Uni-Lord, Black Galaxy, and Mjolnir-shatterring explosion feats are probably fine, but the others are just claims and/or without a solid timeframe.

 

[Antvasima]

By the way, is breaking a Celestial's armor considered a 3-C feat or not?
Why it can also serve as a backup for Thor and Sentry's 3-C.

Probably, given that it was the same writer who wrote the Exitar and Black Galaxy storylines, but it was a very small hole.