Marvel Comics Herald Tiers Upgrade to 3-C

[Kulf_Boba]

Probably, given that it was the same writer who wrote the Exitar and Black Galaxy storylines, but it was a very small hole.

The explosion originated in an armor smaller than the breach.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Ah wait now that I think about it Thor broke the container that held Eric Masterson and Hercules, there were many more containers that were used to form the Celestial's armor.

Therefore the base Thor scales directly to 3-C by being able to break this container.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I suppose that seems to make sense.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Boba on fire with the feats, eh?

3-C looking very promising.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I still think Thor damaging exitar is a massive outlier, or it could be that he channeled God Blast into a physical attack, since it's mentioned that he used all of his Godly strength, I mean it's accepted that Exitar is Superior to the Fourth Host.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

I still think Thor damaging exitar is a massive outlier, or it could be that he channeled God Blast into a physical attack, since it's mentioned that he used all of his Godly strength, I mean it's accepted that Exitar is Superior to the Fourth Host.

It didn't hurt him, it only created a small gap in his armor, that's why they say he didn't even feel it.

The God-Blast is projected as a bolt of energy, this is a clear hammer blow.

 

[Antvasima]

Please re-check that he did not channel his godblast into the blow. I think that he mentioned something about this while later fighting the Juggernaut.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Please re-check that he did not channel his godblast into the blow. I think that he mentioned something about this while later fighting the Juggernaut.

It is seen in the same comic that the process to create a God Blast is more extensive than simply waving the hammer and striking, plus Thor mentions that it is his strongest blow, if he was referring to the God Blast I don't understand why he didn't coat Mjolnir with the belt like he did moments later.

 

[Antvasima]

So am I mixing things up in my memory? Meaning did he use the godblast against the Celestial later in the story, but not when he struck a small hole in its skin from the outside?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Meaning did he use the godblast against the Celestial later in the story, but not when he struck a small hole in its skin from the outside?

yes

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Then it should be fine to use.

 

[Eseseso]

Soooo... has this thread come to a conclusion yet? Just wanna make sure.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I am personally fine with 3-C for the most powerful "heralds", as long as we are careful to only scale from the genuinely reliable feats of this scale, but Impress is taking a break for the sake of her overall health, so she cannot handle a High 4-C scaling thread for the less powerful "heralds". Would somebody else here be willing to do so?

 

[Confluctor]

High 4-C? based on which feat?

If I can get the feat, I can take of the scaling.

 

[Antvasima]

Gladiator withstanding a supernova and Binary having trouble cleansing a star from an infection, for example.

 

[Confluctor]

Ah, we should probably avoid scaling anyone from Gladiator.

But the binary one, I could look into that.

 

[LordTracer]

Does anyone have direct scaling to Binary other than Gladiator

 

[Confluctor]

If i beat around the bush, I could probably create a new scaling chain

 

[Antvasima]

Ah, we should probably avoid scaling anyone from Gladiator.

But the binary one, I could look into that.

It was in a Mark Gruenwald Quasar story. The two of them teamed up to cleanse the Sun of an infection that would have destroyed it, and barely managed to do so.

 

[Antvasima]

If i beat around the bush, I could probably create a new scaling chain

Thank you for helping out. It is very appreciated.

 

[Confluctor]

It was in a Mark Gruenwald Quasar story. The two of them teamed up to cleanse the Sun of an infection that would have destroyed it, and barely managed to do so.

Alright will look for that. Thanks

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

 

[Firestorm808]

What scaling chains do we have so far?

 

[Confluctor]

Characters that scales to Thor and Surfer without holding back:
Thanos
Warlock
Magus
Sentry
Galactus - first key
Beta Ray Bill
Destroyer
Ultron
Hank Pym
Gladiator
Tyrant
Emma Frost
Terrax
Doom
Juggernaut
Morg (He is a herald)
Hercules
Firelord
Ghost Rider
Mephisto
Loki
She-Hulk
Onslaught
Champion - second key
Nova Frankie
Cyclops - second key
The Beyonders
Star Brand
Quasar
Rachel Summer
Nova - second key
Hyperion - Avengers
Annihilus
Sphinx
Mangog
Gorr
Hela
High Evolutionary
Kang
Ulik
Magus
Mindless Ones
Jormungand
Cosmic Ghost Rider
Genis-Vell
Pluto
Executioner - (took two of them to defeat him in that issue, so sure)
Mjolnir
Man-Beast
Iron Man Armor Model 22
Air Walker
Ego the living Tribunal
Beast - second stat
Black Knight - weapon
Blade - second key
Challenger
Drax - classic
Satanna and Daimon Hellstrom
Cosmo with TK
Groot
Impossible Man
Iron Man Armor Model 37
Spider-Man and Kaine - last keys
Kurse (Marvel Comics)
Latveria
Maestro
Magik
Marduk Kurios
Red Hulk
Red She hulk
Omega
Wolverine and his gang
Stardust
Storm - with lightning bolt
Satannish
Runner
The Fallen One
Wakanda
Voyager
Victor Mancha - even tho the justification is sus

 

[Confluctor]

If everything is done here, should I make a new thread for the revised scaling chain? We need to get rid of some 4-Bs before this upgrade goes through. More efficient this way

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I would much prefer if we divide the "heralds" (It is a rather dumb term, but it is what I have to work with) into tier High 4-C and tier 3-C characters, in order to avoid spreading misleading information.

 

[Confluctor]

i looked into their feats, and these can definitely scale far above the high 4-c value. I will worry about the 4-c scaling later on, for now, most i haven't mentioned will lose their scaling to thor and surfer in this key. they will be high 6-c only.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. For example, base level Storm currently has her lightning bolts scaled to once seemingly managing to damage the Surfer. A 3-C rating for her seems too high.

Also, we need to list all of the accepted 4-A calculations in the Marvel Comics verse page, and preferably Thor's and the Surfer's profile pages as well, as backup justifications, in case we have to downgrade them from 3-C at some point.

And we obviously cannot base the 3-C ratings on any mere potential hyperbole expressions or feats over time. only Galaxy level in a single attack counts.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Okay. For example, base level Storm currently has her lightning bolts scaled to once seemingly managing to damage the Surfer. A 3-C rating for her seems too high.

If it's the level that bothers you, 3-C for characters like Storm and Wolverine seems to me as far-fetched as 4-B.
But if the scaling is reasonable I don't see the problem.

Also, we need to list all of the accepted 4-A calculations in the Marvel Comics verse page, and preferably Thor's and the Surfer's profile pages as well, as backup justifications, in case we have to downgrade them from 3-C at some point.

I have already added them to the Marvel Comics page.

And we obviously cannot base the 3-C ratings on any mere potential hyperbole expressions or feats over time. only Galaxy level in a single attack counts.

It is not based solely on statements but on a fact similar to this example:

You have some casual feats from level 5-C to low 5-B and you also have statements that characters destroyed planets and that they can destroy one in a thought, therefore level 5-B is reasonable and Planet level statements cannot be hyperbole.

 

[MrKerf]

Characters that scales to Thor and Surfer without holding back:

Galacta?

 

[Confluctor]

Galacta?

galactus' daughter from a 1 issue alt comic. I want her deleted

 

[Antvasima]

If it's the level that bothers you, 3-C for characters like Storm and Wolverine seems to me as far-fetched as 4-B.
But if the scaling is reasonable I don't see the problem.

Okay.

I have already added them to the Marvel Comics page.

Thank you.

It is not based solely on statements but on a fact similar to this example:

You have some casual feats from level 5-C to low 5-B and you also have statements that characters destroyed planets and that they can destroy one in a thought, therefore level 5-B is reasonable and Planet level statements cannot be hyperbole.

I would just prefer if we focus on the feats that are definitely 3-C, not the ones that lack context, proof, and timeframes.

 

[Antvasima]

galactus' daughter from a 1 issue alt comic. I want her deleted

Yes, agreed. She is not a part of regular continuity, and does not fit with the powerscaling either.

 

[MrKerf]

You guys are no fun.

 

[Antvasima]

Neither is Adam Warren. Virtually everything that he writes is hopeless, morbid, nihilistic, oppressive, and dystopian in an intricate intellectualised manner. He isn't exactly doing any favours for human consciousness as a whole.

Anyway, should I delete the page?

Galacta

Galacta is the estranged daughter of the Devourer of Worlds, Galactus, who has been living on Earth as a human teenage under the alias of Gali. Like her father, she possesses a cosmic hunger that can only be satisfied through the consumption of whole worlds, but unlike her father, she desires...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Antvasima]

Also, let's continue to discuss the main current issues here please:

Well, I would much prefer if we divide the "heralds" (It is a rather dumb term, but it is what I have to work with) into tier High 4-C and tier 3-C characters, in order to avoid spreading misleading information.

I would just prefer if we focus on the feats that are definitely 3-C, not the ones that lack context, proof, and timeframes.

 

[Confluctor]

Anyway, should I delete the page

Yes please

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will do so.

 

[Antvasima]

I handled it.

 

[Eseseso]

Hey, just curious, how come the page for the Marquis of Death was deleted?

I kinda liked that page.