Marvel Comics Cosmology(World Hierarchy) Revision

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

This was a long time coming and because of that I decided to move quickly with the changes. So, previously, established in this thread:

J.M. DeMatteis (Marvel Cosmology Split)

As some of you may understand I have been advocating with Ultima after this tiering system revision was being applied that DeMatteis's story isn't very congruent with the main Cosmology. While authors like Hickman, Ewing, and many others seem to at least follow a certain contunity with their...

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So the main jist is to remove scans pertaining to the author “J.M. DeMatteis” and his more personal view of the Cosmology.

Changes and Removal:​

The changes will be a bit radical but then again it's all fair and game. Subspace will keep its tiering as High 1-B. All dimensionality higher will be High 1-B+. That's where we get to the Abstracts.

Abstract:​

In virtue of all the above, Eternity and other Abstracts of a similar degree are 1-A in their anthropomorphic manifestations, and their real selves, of which these manifestations are infinitesimal aspects, are in turn 1 layerinto 1-A.

Since a recent revision pivots the Astral Plane as 1-A, it will remain 1-A. Meaning the Abstarct Universal True Forms remains a layer above baseline.

Omniverse:​

The changes to the Omniverse will adhere to just staying 1-A since we will not be using the dreams within dreams where reality is not real to the higher realms. Although, there's some interesting keys to it, the best for the Omniverse at the higher end is 1-A+. Which all the differences within worlds are in the same hierarchy and not a different one. So, the Multiversal/Omniversal form of the Abstracts will be reduced to 1-A.

The Outside:​

The Outside realms will all remain High 1-A. However, the main difference is that each higher realms does not share the same relation of transcendence in the new wiki. So, the Far Shore, and the Beyond will just remain baseline. The White Hot Room, Couldn’t-Be-Shouldn’t-Be/Could-Be-Shall-Be, and the House of Idea will be an additional layer. Though, I'm not really seeing this as a hierarchy of differences outside of being beyond the House of Ideas in a new hierarchy in the Outside which each of the hierarchy in the Four Worlds should share one additional layer into High 1-A while the entire Mystery itself is infinite layers.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

This thread will also serve as for the time being, a cosmological group chat. Thus, any changes will be appreciated and show some scans for any additional changes since this is primarily going over what has been posted on Ultima sandbox. So any additional information will be taken into account.

 

[Eseseso]

This was a long time coming and because of that I decided to move quickly with the changes. So, previously, established in this thread:

J.M. DeMatteis (Marvel Cosmology Split)

As some of you may understand I have been advocating with Ultima after this tiering system revision was being applied that DeMatteis's story isn't very congruent with the main Cosmology. While authors like Hickman, Ewing, and many others seem to at least follow a certain contunity with their...

vsbattles.com

So the main jist is to remove scans pertaining to the author “J.M. DeMatteis” and his more personal view of the Cosmology.

Changes and Removal:​

The changes will be a bit radical but then again it's all fair and game. Subspace will keep its tiering as High 1-B. All dimensionality higher will be High 1-B+. That's where we get to the Abstracts.

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Not sure which realms qualify as of rn for High 1-B+ (though I am working on a thread that will include bumping some realms up to High 1-B+), but looks fine.

Omniverse:​

The changes to the Omniverse will adhere to just staying 1-A since we will not be using the dreams within dreams where reality is not real to the higher realms. Although, there's some interesting keys to it, the best for the Omniverse at the higher end is 1-A+. Which all the differences within worlds are in the same hierarchy and not a different one. So, the Multiversal/Omniversal form of the Abstracts will be reduced to 1-A.

So which ones will be 1-A+?

The Outside:​

The Outside realms will all remain High 1-A. However, the main difference is that each higher realms does not share the same relation of transcendence in the new wiki. So, the Far Shore, and the Beyond will just remain baseline. The White Hot Room, Couldn’t-Be-Shouldn’t-Be/Could-Be-Shall-Be, and the House of Idea will be an additional layer. Though, I'm not really seeing this as a hierarchy of differences outside of being beyond the House of Ideas in a new hierarchy in the Outside which each of the hierarchy in the Four Worlds should share one additional layer into High 1-A while the entire Mystery itself is infinite layers.

Looks fine but I'm not a High 1-A expert.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

So which ones will be 1-A+?

I don't even think there's really anything for a qualitative hierarchy. To appease some people I just randomly said there could be a 1-A+ hierarchy at the higher end.

Looks fine but I'm not a High 1-A expert.

I'm a bit iffy on this one because of my previous comment on a 1-A+ hierarchy, High 1-A is possible, but I could be seeing that wrong where this section should just be 1-A as well. However, I’ll keep it like this. Seems abit wrong if Marvel doesn't have some High 1-A remaining. At the very least, the One Above All should still be High 1-A regardless of anything.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Pretty sure Ultima was confident Marvel would still be High 1-A regardless of the removal of DeMatteis' stuff so we'll see what happens down the line. But as of now , I agree with this. Without DeMatteis, the evidence for 1-A+/High 1-A becomes a bit lacking unless some obscurely ridiculous cosmology shenanigans escaped my notice, which it very well may have considering how huge Marvel Comics is.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Pretty sure Ultima was confident Marvel would still be High 1-A regardless of the removal of DeMatteis' stuff so we'll see what happens down the line. But as of now , I agree with this. Without DeMatteis, the evidence for 1-A+/High 1-A becomes a bit lacking unless some obscurely ridiculous cosmology shenanigans escaped my notice, which it very well may have considering how huge Marvel Comics is.

Yeah, I'm open to those few things we miss, and hopefully some people got some scans to fill in for those tiers.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I am as well, but only time will tell if it'll be successful.

In the meanwhile, Let me go ahead and check with Alonik's old cosmology blog off site to see if there's anything on there that may help. They did a lot of research so if anyone has evidence for High 1-A it'd likely be them.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

The One Above All being High 1-A is clear and cut. Seeing all levels of his Creation and duality as mere fictional properties extended from his divine energy. Which kind of puts it into question beings like the Mother of Horrors not made by his demiurgic fires and how she would scale.