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@Ultima_RealityWe are basically waiting for Ultima to give their verdict.
People seem to have waited a long time for you here.
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@Ultima_RealityWe are basically waiting for Ultima to give their verdict.
Honestly, i not have time for few day, i will create my own CRT for the scallingIt's not a matter of dura. It's a matter of Misha recreating the layers while the first layers are destroyed + Sasha offsetting EGA's power, both at the same time. And why is this? Because the Garden would be destroyed otherwise. If the garden really could tank EGA then Misha wouldn't need to keep recreating the layers and Sasha wouldn't need to keep offsetting EGA's power.
"It does not destroy the entire sanctuary"
Because Misha keeps recreating the layers. If she didn't and left the 3 layers alone, EGA would have pierced through them all. Thats the entire point of Misha's role in that event.
LoT's hax has feats on that level. You are just using argument from incredulity.
EGA is a spell that contains its own destructive power and it was negated by LoT
And if sheer AP was enough to circumvent LoT, then EGA would have done it as well
You are also missing the point. LoT's hax > abilities of Anos, Militia, and Aberneyu. They are still superior to him in AP.
I was referring to the powernull itself, which in a way, can be said to be the God of Traces' ability. It's also implied he can manually decide when the powernull happens or not.
@Dread It's your CRT, what do you think?It's just a suggestion, but isn't it better to apply what was accepted in the CRT(5D) and close it and if Ultima disagrees it does a CRT downgrade later?
Introduction
As you guys know, Maou Gakuin cosmology is presently at the 2-A tier.
The good news (bad news for haters) is that we got more scans/statements/shreds of evidence for a good possibleness of a low 1-C tier (5D- possibly 6D to be precise)
Cosmology Overview
Credits for the picture/cosmology go to me @Dread
This is how the cosmology looks like in The Misfit of Demon King Academy Series. You can zoom in to view bubble World and Militia World.
Currently, this is what it looks like:
There are 99+ layers in the silver sea. All layers are of the same size. Here is the thread that evaluates our cosmology for 99+ x baseline 2-A (currently one of the strongest 2-As in a wiki)
- 1 realm (sanctuary) is 2-A (contains countless infinite timeline/space-time continuums)
- 1 Azure Sky = countless realms
- 1 bubble contains countless infinite black sky + Azure lane = countless 2-A
- 0 layer contains infinite bubbles Worlds
- 1-99+ layers = countless up to infinite Bubbles
Note: For more info, here is the cosmology page
Low 1-C (5D) rationalization
「各々の神域は、世界の縮図。世界の根源の上限が決まっているように、ダ・ク・カダーテの火露の数は決まっていて、この神域の花の数も決まっています」
"Each sanctuary is a microcosm of the world. Just as the upper limit of the root of the world is fixed, the number of fire dewdrops in da ku kadate is fixed, as is the number of flowers in this sanctuary."Every sanctuary (realm) is just a microcosm of the bubble. And microcosm is microscopic, miniature, a copy of a larger place, a small unit. So that world is very limited by a bubble and treated only as subsets of it, and make bubble is infinitely greater in all parts of the universes (sanctuary) because universes are only a small unit in the infinite bubble. It also means every sanctuary has the same, similar structure.「各々の神域は、世界の縮図。世界の根源の上限が決まっているように、ダ・ク・カダーテの火露の数は決まっていて、この神域の花の数も決まっています」
"Each divine domain is a microcosm of the world. Just as the upper limit of the source of the world is fixed, so is the amount of fire dew in Da Ku Kadate, and the number of flowers in this divine domain."
The future world is also a sanctuary. There are countless realms, but the black sky itself is infinite in size and is not bound by the real world.ミーシャが目の前を指さす。
鮮やかな蒼穹に星のように散りばめられているのは、黄金の火山や白色の湖、いばらの大地、車輪のような街など、色とりどりの様々な風景だ。
「ここが神々の蒼穹。見えている風景は、どれも神域」
エンネスオーネの芽宮神都や、ナフタの限局世界と同じものだ。
確かに、どれもこれも、凄まじい魔力を発している。
Misha points out in front of him.
Scattered like stars across the brilliant azure sky are a variety of colorful landscapes, including golden volcanoes, white lakes, thorny lands, and wheel-like cities.
"This is the azure sky of the gods. Every landscape you see is a divine realm."
It is the same as the budding divine city of Ennesione and the limited world of Nafta.
Indeed, all of them emit tremendous magical power.
There is nothing in-between countable infinity and uncountable infinity, so something that is stated to be bigger than the former would result in the latter by necessity. This applies to Maou Gakuin's case, as Kandaquizorte (a 2-A structure) was stated to be small compared to the Bubble.
In math terms
no problem, I gave this suggestion because the topic was getting derailed many times so maybe this makes it difficult for Ultima, but I think having a summary of the points presented for Ultima this problem can be solvedThe thing is, I asked Ultima yesterday tonight if the CRT is on his agenda, and he said yes.
5D is accepted by two staff members and one neutral staff member, no need to discuss further for it, but 6D is controversial one, and we need Ultima to review it.
In the meanwhile, I was thinking that @Peak suggestion is an outstanding one, but I doubt Ultima will do downgrade on his own for the verse.
The thing is I have added the summary in my OP and everything there.no problem, I gave this suggestion because the topic was getting derailed many times so maybe this makes it difficult for Ultima, but I think having a summary of the points presented for Ultima this problem can be solved
Basically, the 5-D comes from having the "future world" a 2-A realm (contains infinite futures) being stated to merely be a microcosm (small part, miniature copy of a larger place).Microcosm - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
I read your scans and everything and I still don't understand the 5-D in it, you explained it in form of 5-D with the subset and all but I'm not just convinced with the 5-D. Staffs might have agreed but can you clarify more to me.
And the word Microcosm has other meanings apart from Microscopic and since the Crt is still on, i hope no problem right?
Definition according to Oxford
- a community, place, or situation regarded as encapsulating in miniature the characteristics of something much larger. E.g "the city is a microcosm of modern Malaysia"
- humankind regarded as the representation in miniature of the universe. E.g "the belief in correspondences between the Universe and Man—between microcosm and macrocosm"
Dw Tatsumi, if he truly read everything, he would see the quote in the last thread that explains why it is 5D.Basically, the 5-D comes from having the "future world" a 2-A realm (contains infinite futures) being stated to merely be a microcosm (small part, miniature copy of a larger place).
Yes, microcosm has other definitions but in this case it has to be referring to its size, structure. It can't be referring to any other definition as they have literally nothing to do with space time.
Definition according to webster dictionary
Its impossible to be bigger than 2-A while remaining 2-A yourself. A 2-A structure is basically a small part of a greater whole hence the 5-D rating for the bubbles
But being a small of part of a greater whole like 2-A to Low 1-C is kinda of stretch to just assume so as even a 2-A can contain an infinite 2-A structure.Basically, the 5-D comes from having the "future world" a 2-A realm (contains infinite futures) being stated to merely be a microcosm (small part, miniature copy of a larger place).
Yes, microcosm has other definitions but in this case it has to be referring to its size, structure. It can't be referring to any other definition as they have literally nothing to do with space time.
I'm pretty sure when it comes to definition Wikipedia is rated higher even .org are rated more than .com websites when it comes to things like this. It's not impossible actuallyDefinition according to webster dictionary
Its impossible to be bigger than 2-A while remaining 2-A yourself. A 2-A structure is basically a small part of a greater whole hence the 5-D rating for the bubbles
You are arguing against wiki standards, tbh. You can create a separate CRT for this and ask why it is like that.But being a small of part of a greater whole like 2-A to Low 1-C is kinda of stretch to just assume so as even a 2-A can contain an infinite 2-A structure.
And yeah it can just mean small tbh I'm not convinced with 5-D.
I'm pretty sure when it comes to definition Wikipedia is rated higher even .org are rated more than .com websites when it comes to things like this. It's not impossible actually
An Omniverse is 2-A without further context and contains other 2-A(infinite multiverses) those also contain infinite universes(2-A) your FAQ said something like this also about it being range incase such a structure got destroyed.
A 2-A can be part of a greater whole that's still 2-A.
I'm pretty sure when it comes to definition Wikipedia is rated higher even .org are rated more than .com websites when it comes to things like this. It's not impossible actually
An Omniverse is 2-A without further context and contains other 2-A(infinite multiverses) those also contain infinite universes(2-A) your FAQ said something like this also about it being range incase such a structure got destroyed.
A 2-A can be part of a greater whole that's still 2-A.
Can you tell me what particular standard so I can check on it. I skimmed through as it's much that's why I particularly referred to the revision you created.You are arguing against wiki standards, tbh. You can create a separate CRT for this and ask why it is like that.
Preferably, read the whole thread once again (the quote from staff is recommended as well).
Did I say anything wrong or that needs correction?
TL.DR.. You haven't read the thread or/nor doesn't know how the tiers and standards works here. Tf has omniverse have to do with maou.Did I say anything wrong or that needs correction?
I said so cause a structure that contains a 2-A without additional context is still 2-A as it could still be a greater 2-A.Without further context? A whole thread and you say no further context? I will stop replying
I did actually and you guys aren't replying, okay I'd reword it better. Infinite multiverses(4D) is 2-A>>>>Infinite multiverse/Infinite universes(4D) still 2-A. Containing a 2-A structure doesn't necessarily mean Low 1-C that's my point.TL.DR.. You haven't read the thread or/nor doesn't know how the tiers and standards works here. Tf has omniverse have to do with maou.
Your point is against Wiki standards, can you stop derailing the thread?I said so cause a structure that contains a 2-A without additional context is still 2-A as it could still be a greater 2-A.
I did actually and you guys aren't replying, okay I'd reword it better. Infinite multiverses(4D) is 2-A>>>>Infinite multiverse/Infinite universes(4D) still 2-A. Containing a 2-A structure doesn't necessarily mean Low 1-C that's my point.
I assume Ultima is actually reviewing it nowWhats the conclusion so far?
I'm not derailing as the discussion is still on the revision.Your point is against Wiki standards, can you stop derailing the thread?
Something bigger than as structure 2-A as 2-A is low 1-C. You really did not bother reading anything in the thread and continue derailing here.
I already linked it in OP, the fact is only that you did not bother reading it.I'm not derailing as the discussion is still on the revision.
A structure bigger than a 2-A isn't necessary Low 1-C, I don't see that anywhere even the FAQ called it a range feat as destruction of infinite universes and infinite multiverses is the same here. I did that's why I asked questions on it which Tatsumi gave .
Can you link me to where it's stated a structure bigger than 2-A is straight up Low 1-C? Cause I don't see that anywhere
Maou sanctuary (2-A) are microcosm of the world that share the shape, same form, and characteristics of the militia world and infinite timelimes. There are countless sanctuaries and those countless 2-A structure fall into the "subset" standard of the tier system which quality for tier 1.I did actually and you guys aren't replying, okay I'd reword it better. Infinite multiverses(4D) is 2-A>>>>Infinite multiverse/Infinite universes(4D) still 2-A. Containing a 2-A structure doesn't necessarily mean Low 1-C that's my point.
Although I personally think something larger than 2A shouldn't automatically be low 1CI'm not derailing as the discussion is still on the revision.
A structure bigger than a 2-A isn't necessary Low 1-C, I don't see that anywhere even the FAQ called it a range feat as destruction of infinite universes and infinite multiverses is the same here. I did that's why I asked questions on it which Tatsumi gave .
Can you link me to where it's stated a structure bigger than 2-A is straight up Low 1-C? Cause I don't see that anywhere
What he's saying goes against our standards, he's just making his own assumptions.If you are derailing, we would appreciate if you stop immediately.
If that is the standard, then you can put me down for agree to 5-D.Maou sanctuary (2-A) are microcosm of the world that share the shape, same form, and characteristics of the militia world and infinite timelimes. There are countless sanctuaries and those countless 2-A structure fall into the "subset" standard of the tier system which quality for tier 1.
This is why "bigger than 2-A structure as 2-A" is not possible. Please avoid derailing, guys.This illustrates some of the more unintuitive properties of sets with infinite elements: Namely, given a set X, it being a subset of another set Y does not imply that Y > X in terms of size. An example of this is how the set of all natural numbers contains both the odd numbers and even numbers, yet all of these sets in fact have the same number of elements. - tiering system FAQ
Oh damn brother, we had been this through the whole time, I even added these standards at the bottom of thread, why no one really bother reading everything till end.If that is the standard, then you can put me down for agree to 5-D.
Ya, anyways. I will be adding votes later or idk. Let's stop derailing right now, or I will request thread moderator.. to delete the messages.I̶ ̶d̶i̶s̶t̶i̶n̶c̶t̶l̶y̶ ̶s̶a̶i̶d̶ ̶I̶ ̶u̶n̶f̶o̶l̶l̶o̶w̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶s̶a̶i̶d̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶s̶i̶n̶c̶e̶
Actually it's not an assumption it's in the platform Faq.What he's saying goes against our standards, he's just making his own assumptions.
What I've been saying correlates with what's on your platform FAQ and I've made a question and answer discussion on it as now it's confusing.Okay. Then I would appreciate if he stops commenting here.
And it is in wrong thread, please reduce derailing, or I may request from Ant deleting your messages and ban thread.Actually it's not an assumption it's in the platform Faq.
What I've been saying correlates with what's on your platform FAQ and I've made a question and answer discussion on it as now it's confusing.