Maou Gakuin Misleading Hax Revisions - Part 1/3

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

i like how only the tensura fans agree with op

just asking since you only commented once, you still agree with the op?

 

[Reiner04]

I disagree with OP for Dereck's and Tatsumi reasoning.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Disagree: Me, Satoshi, Dog, Dereck, Tatsumi, Elde, Rozan, Wesker, (I think) Vietthai, DarkDragonMedeus, BreezeHM, Eseseso (switched to disagreeing with the op after reading the rebuttal from Dereck), Reiner04, YoPercy, HeavenlyVillain2

Not sure what to put for: Alipheese, DarkSoul, Deceived

Agree: AstralTrinity, Robo, TempestDragon, EikichiSensei

and now that's 17-4 in the disagreed's favor.. (16 if vietthai isn't really in agree but I'm mostly assuming due to the fact they haven't really agreed with any of the other 'agree' reasonings and looked to be leaning on disagreeing)

 

[YoPercy]

Disagree with OP based on Elde's, Dereck and Tatsumi (the big 3 wankers) reasoning.

 

[Tempestdragon6]

I'm back and I'm gonna read first the argument

 

[HeavenlyVillain2]

I'm back and I'm gonna read first the argument

Reading the first argument isn’t going to help, this Thread should have 3 parts, let’s say 2 more part going to be address soon, since this one didn’t stand, and from my guess the next Thread is going to immeasurable speed

Anyway put me in disagree with the Op and this Thread shouldn’t be this long just need 1 more staff to close this so we can start addressing the other two part, because it’s better when it’s fast

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

It shouldn't have gone on this long at all, yeah.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Disagree: Me, Satoshi, Dog, Dereck, Tatsumi, Elde, Rozan, Wesker, (I think) Vietthai, DarkDragonMedeus, BreezeHM, Eseseso (switched to disagreeing with the op after reading the rebuttal from Dereck), Reiner04, YoPercy, HeavenlyVillain2

Not sure what to put for: Alipheese, DarkSoul, Deceived

Agree: AstralTrinity, Robo, TempestDragon, EikichiSensei

and now that's 17-4 in the disagreed's favor.. (16 if vietthai isn't really in agree but I'm mostly assuming due to the fact they haven't really agreed with any of the other 'agree' reasonings and looked to be leaning on disagreeing)

Updated.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Reading the first argument isn’t going to help, this Thread should have 3 parts, let’s say 2 more part going to be address soon, since this one didn’t stand, and from my guess the next Thread is going to immeasurable speed

Anyway put me in disagree with the Op and this Thread shouldn’t be this long just need 1 more staff to close this so we can start addressing the other two part, because it’s better when it’s fast

never thought it'd take 3 for this sort of thread when it looks fairly small (might just be me not up to date on the rules, LMAO)

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

2 staff input is enough.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

2 staff input is enough.

It is???

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It is???

This isn't even big thing. If its NEP CM type 1 or tier 1 that's a different case.

 

[SweetDao]

2 staff input is enough.

If I'm not wrong, it still needs to stay open for 48H at the moment of the post, so I think it means there is still a day or so before it can be closed?

 

[Dereck03]

I'd prefer to wait till 3 staff input, just so nobody can complain

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

If I'm not wrong, it still needs to stay open for 48H at the moment of the post, so I think it means there is still a day or so before it can be closed?

Yeah. I was just talking about votes. It still needs to be active for 2 days from the thread creation.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

I'd prefer to wait till 3 staff input, just so nobody can complain

The big question would be if anyone can handle another day of this till that point.. lol.. I doubt it, some people be more stubborn than others-.

 

[GarrixianXD]

I have been reading this when I was out from my home, while not being logged in on forums. Merry Christmas to you too.

Anyway, I disagree with the revision not only because of the opposition's defence but also because I see a handful of issues with the OP. However, I don't think addressing them is necessary currently, as the topic has been widely rejected so far, adding that I'm currently busy rn. If you want to know what personal issues I have with the thread then you're free to DM me.

So far, this topic has 3 staff rejections. If the users of the OP side don't have new arguments to present, then this revision should be subject to closure soon due to being a rejected topic.

 

[Echitesu]

I disagree with "Spirit is AE1 Information" (They don't even say what type of information?) for the following reasons:

• Rumor and Legend is what "makes" Source of Spirit:

Spoiler: Chapter 28 Volume 4

For this first question, one would normally answer that no such spirit exists. All spirits were born with a source created from a legend or rumor. This was the definition of their very being, thus no spirit could exist without any lore.

Just as Source of Anos (Concept) creates Anos, but Anos is not Concept, Rumor (Information) creating Source of Spirit does not prove that Source of Spirit is Information.

• Even if the Source of Spirit is destroyed, as long as Rumor exists, the Source of Spirit will Regeneration

Spoiler: Chapter 40 Volume 4

The simplest answer was probably the Great Spirit Reno, but I wasn’t quite convinced. According to the lilan, a spirit could resurrect, even if their source was destroyed, as long as their lore still existed. However, I recalled nothing from them about memory loss and indistinct facial features. Plus, the titi had said they’d never see Reno again. Did that mean she was gone for good?

Source of Spirit was destroyed, but Rumor still remains. That means Source of Spirit and Rumor are not the same but two different objects.
=> Source of Spirit =/= Rumor

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

I need to sleep soon, but i believe this is another case of hyper-focusing on surface definition of texts, from what scans MGK supporters show, when someone is destroyed, mean their source too, and source is concept of one existence, if it get cut, sliced, it is destroyed, simple as that which i believe also show visually in anime, Anos even crush source with his hands, which normally the action of crushing something will leave behind remnants, but it actually completely destroyed Avos source. Fictional verse is also literature. do not need to always using hyper specific words like erase, completely destroyed to show that something is completely erased, destroyed. Playing with texts and semantics is the last thing we should do here

Anyway, i will now go to be, good bye everyone ^^

Unrelated but are you guys saying that if a god is permanently destroyed the world wouldn’t be destroyed (the aspect they govern would not cease to exist?) and would just get disrupted ?

 

[Dereck03]

Unrelated but are you guys saying that if a god is permanently destroyed the world wouldn’t be destroyed (the aspect they govern would not cease to exist?) and would just get disrupted ?

Ehmm, no. That's against the story.

Take Nosgalia as example, when venuz destroyed him, the order got disrupted and the world was about to be destroyed, but that stopped after Anos used agronemnt to bring him back since he couldn't do so because he got destroyed by Venuzdonoa.

This doesn't happen when it's the opposite, because if what they govern is destroyed, this does not affect them since they are independent of what they govern.

 

[Vietthai96]

Unrelated but are you guys saying that if a god is permanently destroyed the world wouldn’t be destroyed (the aspect they govern would not cease to exist?) and would just get disrupted ?

Even in Anime, it is stated that if Nousgalia is destroyed, the world go down with him. And he revived the guy with Agronemt to not let the world get destroyed (the anime clip was cut alot of parts and i can't post scans due to on phone)

Later Anos literally go around this by fusing Nousgalia Order i believe with Eldmed's Source so Eldmed will act in Nousgalia place to maintain the world while Anos kill off Nousgalia. Still more knowledgable members can correct me

 

[Tatsumi504]

Source of Spirit was destroyed, but Rumor still remains. That means Source of Spirit and Rumor are not the same but two different objects.
=> Source of Spirit =/= Rumor

Don't know if I should just give you a little more time to figure out why you're wrong but you gave the answer yourself.

All spirits were born with a source created from a legend or rumor. This was the definition of their very being, thus no spirit could exist without any lore.

The manifestation of an abstraction isn't the entirety of that abstraction unless stated. Spirits bodies and sources are literally formed from their legend. The divine hounds when devouring spirits were said to be devouring the spirit itself in other words, devouring their lore.

Reno’s face fell. Lignon, the eight-headed water dragon, was the guardian of
Aharthern. If she had been defeated, someone must have attacked the spirit
forest.
“Who’s responsible?” Reno asked.
“Silver beasts!”
“The hounds of the gods.”
“Divine beasts—guen!”
“They’re eating everyone.”
“They’ll eat us all!”

We made our way to the other side of the fog to see a completely transformed Aharthern. Every plant of the once lush forest had wilted, and the screams of fleeing spirits rang through the air. Huge beasts with silver fur and sharp fangs were dashing about the forest. And there were far more than just one or two— they were everywhere, gnawing away at the trees. The green rapidly wilted wherever they passed. They were devouring the spirit itself.
“Watch out!”
“Our lore will be eaten!”
“We’ll die!”
“Even spirits can die!”

Their sources are literally formed from, shaped by their legends and regenerate by converting that legend into their source.

“Your source is shaped by a rumor or legend. That means that rumor or legend has taken on a kind of power within you that gets converted into your source. If I link your source to Sheila’s, you may be able to send your power to her before it undergoes that conversion, helping her recover to some extent.

If my suspicions are correct, spirits drain both their source and their magic to cast spirit magic.”
After witnessing Misa use Fuska on several occasions, I was fairly certain that was the case⁠—even more so considering most half spirits were said to struggle to get to their feet after using spirit magic.
“The depleted source of a spirit recovers through the strength of their rumor or legend. In other words, Misa, you will be casting spirit magic to purposefully deplete your source, triggering its recovery. It is that recovery power that will then be sent to Sheila.

The first scan has already been sent before and the second one was in the blog already. Looking at it again, I could probably push for type 2 information for the source of spirits i.e. the legend that's converted into a kind of power before becoming the source of a spirit. New wank obtained guys.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Even in Anime, it is stated that if Nousgalia is destroyed, the world go down with him. And he revived the guy with Agronemt to not let the world get destroyed (the anime clip was cut alot of parts and i can't post scans due to on phone)

Later Anos literally go around this by fusing Nousgalia Order i believe with Eldmed's Source so Eldmed will act in Nousgalia place to maintain the world while Anos kill off Nousgalia. Still more knowledgable members can correct me

Nothing to correct really, you're right

 

[Nierre]

Locking on OP's request