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Futures até physical/exist?
In a nutshell, yes, as it is clearly said, futures exist, Nafta is not able to see a future that does not exist, and the future is built by order.
Honestly, I have never understood and will never understand why the hell there is a question about whether the futures are physical (they have a physical form), the futures are built by the order of Nafta, they have a physical form of crystals, which are constantly being destroyed by Anos during the battle and they are attacking him, I don't see how exactly anything said here has refuted this, they DO have a physical form, that's not even arguable.
They are built in order:
Futures having a physical form (crystals):
The crystals attacking Anos and all of them being destroyed:
Crystals clearly have a physical form
Nafta's ability
The ability is not a simple "precognition", the functionality of Nafta's ability is vitally important, which the OP chose to completely ignore.
Nafta's ability is not simply "seeing the future", there is a Nafta at every point in time (past, present and future), each of them sees the present with their divine eyes, and this present (is the present from their perspective ) that they see is one of the futures/crystals that the Naphtha that exists at a point in the past can see.
Basically: Imagine that A, B and C are the past, present and future respectively.
The Nafta at point A (past) is able to see point B (presente) as one of the futures because there is a Nafta at point B, with the Nafta at point B seeing things in its own moment/time using its divine eyes, that moment/time that Naphtha at point B sees is seen as the future for Naphtha at point A. Meanwhile, Naphtha at point B sees point C as one of the futures because there is Naphtha at point C using its divine eyes.
Note: If Nafta at point B has his divine eyes injured and is no longer able to see with it, Nafta at point A would not be able to see point B as the future, this is Nafta's weakness.
So there is no way the future could be just/mere possibilities, if that were the case, there wouldn't be a Nafta in several different futures to see those futures, and the Nafta of the past (past in relation to the Nafta of the future) wouldn't be able to see no future.
As Nafta herself says, a future where she does not exist cannot be seen (or a future where her divine eyes have been injured to the point where she is unable to use it), which supports both the fact that futures exist and the fact that futures are not mere possibilities, because if they were just/mere possibilities, there would not be a Nafta in the future.
Futures are immutable, fixed and defined
Another thing that the OP is missing is that when we talk about the future being immutable, fixed or defined, we are not talking about the future of the world itself (Militia World), but rather about the futures that Nafta sees with its order, all these futures are defined and fixed, only the future of the world itself is not defined and can change, this is said by Nafta.
About 2° point
The first, second and third scans of the 2nd point are simply an absurd distortion of language, "Real World" refers to the Militia World, it is not a "world that exists", this argument is simply a distortion of words, obviously the World of Nafta would not be considered the "Real World", as it is simply a World (microcosms of the world) created by order, and none of this really shows that the world does not exist.
Sanctuaries are not created (materialized in reality), when a God/Order is born, a sanctuary materializes together with the Order/God, and begins to exist physically within the Blue Sky of the Gods, what the Gods do is invoke them , because sanctuaries are a "physical materialization of order", they are "created by order".
"materialization"
There is also a lot of use here of the word "materialize", although none of the scans talk about the materialization of anything, the only moments that have anything close to the meaning materialize are talking about "the future that is yet to happen" and "the world being created ", and there is also a addition of the the word "materialize" when talking about NAFTA futures.
I already talked about the world being created above.
Talking about "a future that has yet to happen", he is simply talking about the future that can happen in the Real World (Militia World), which in no way refutes the futures of the Nafta World.
And about the addition of the word "materialize" when talking about the futures, I don't even know where that came from, as there is no scan that says anything related to the Nafta World is "materialized".
Summary:
In a nutshell, yes, as it is clearly said, futures exist, Nafta is not able to see a future that does not exist, and the future is built by order.
“I will answer that,” Naphta said. “The order of the Goddess of the Future receives its power from the future. The future can only be seen if it exists. It’s a complex order, but to put it simply, it’s easier to see the future the further away it is from the present. The future with the end of the Selection Trial is close to this current point in time. There isn’t enough of the future left past the end of the Selection Trial for my Eyes to see into the darkness.”
Her explanation was solemn. “What this means is that the end of the Selection Trial is the beginning of the end of this world. The world will vanish and the future will cease to exist, so it will be impossible for me to see the path there."
Her explanation was solemn. “What this means is that the end of the Selection Trial is the beginning of the end of this world. The world will vanish and the future will cease to exist, so it will be impossible for me to see the path there."
“Gods are order. The proxy will be no different from them,” I explained. “The countless futures that Naphta sees are formed from that order. No matter how much power you gain, a god of order cannot overthrow another god of order.”
Honestly, I have never understood and will never understand why the hell there is a question about whether the futures are physical (they have a physical form), the futures are built by the order of Nafta, they have a physical form of crystals, which are constantly being destroyed by Anos during the battle and they are attacking him, I don't see how exactly anything said here has refuted this, they DO have a physical form, that's not even arguable.
They are built in order:
“Gods are order. The proxy will be no different from them,” I explained. “The countless futures that Naphta sees are formed from that order. No matter how much power you gain, a god of order cannot overthrow another god of order.”
Futures having a physical form (crystals):
“I, Naphta, swear to you that as long as we remain in the present, the future will resurrect no matter how many times you destroy it. In order to destroy the Future World Crystal, you must destroy all possible futures.” The crystal fragments rapidly increased in number and wrapped around us like a glittering sandstorm. “This is one more possible shape of the world. Sinner, you will now be condemned to exile in a restricted world.
The crystals attacking Anos and all of them being destroyed:
Countless crystal spears flew at me once again, but the moment they touched the black particles hanging in the air, they crumbled into pieces. Fire, water, lightning, earth, trees, the dome—every conceivable element attacked me. It was like witnessing a miracle. But I wasn’t deterred by the world that bared its fangs.
“Using origin magic, I borrowed the power of Militia, Goddess of Creation, Abernyu, Goddess of Destruction, and the Demon King of Tyranny of two thousand years ago.” I also added the magic of my current self. “This is a forbidden spell that can’t be used in any old place. Even I’ve only used it twice.”
Jet-black particles swirled around like they were alive, enveloping the magic cannon. The reverberations shattered all the crystals in the area, reducing them to dust. Naphta’s divine domain had cracked and was beginning to break down.
“Using origin magic, I borrowed the power of Militia, Goddess of Creation, Abernyu, Goddess of Destruction, and the Demon King of Tyranny of two thousand years ago.” I also added the magic of my current self. “This is a forbidden spell that can’t be used in any old place. Even I’ve only used it twice.”
Jet-black particles swirled around like they were alive, enveloping the magic cannon. The reverberations shattered all the crystals in the area, reducing them to dust. Naphta’s divine domain had cracked and was beginning to break down.
Crystals clearly have a physical form
Nafta's ability
The ability is not a simple "precognition", the functionality of Nafta's ability is vitally important, which the OP chose to completely ignore.
Nafta's ability is not simply "seeing the future", there is a Nafta at every point in time (past, present and future), each of them sees the present with their divine eyes, and this present (is the present from their perspective ) that they see is one of the futures/crystals that the Naphtha that exists at a point in the past can see.
Basically: Imagine that A, B and C are the past, present and future respectively.
The Nafta at point A (past) is able to see point B (presente) as one of the futures because there is a Nafta at point B, with the Nafta at point B seeing things in its own moment/time using its divine eyes, that moment/time that Naphtha at point B sees is seen as the future for Naphtha at point A. Meanwhile, Naphtha at point B sees point C as one of the futures because there is Naphtha at point C using its divine eyes.
Note: If Nafta at point B has his divine eyes injured and is no longer able to see with it, Nafta at point A would not be able to see point B as the future, this is Nafta's weakness.
Naphta nodded firmly. “The Goddess of the Future’s order is to govern the future. My existence itself maintains the order of the future. Thus, my Divine Eyes have a blind spot as well. The present which I cannot see will not appear as a future to my past self.”
She spoke in a solemn voice.
“In other words, a future where I don’t exist is different from a future where I do. And such a future cannot be reflected in my Eyes.”
Naphta’s order was a factor that decided the future. If she disappeared, so would this dire future.
She spoke in a solemn voice.
“In other words, a future where I don’t exist is different from a future where I do. And such a future cannot be reflected in my Eyes.”
Naphta’s order was a factor that decided the future. If she disappeared, so would this dire future.
So there is no way the future could be just/mere possibilities, if that were the case, there wouldn't be a Nafta in several different futures to see those futures, and the Nafta of the past (past in relation to the Nafta of the future) wouldn't be able to see no future.
As Nafta herself says, a future where she does not exist cannot be seen (or a future where her divine eyes have been injured to the point where she is unable to use it), which supports both the fact that futures exist and the fact that futures are not mere possibilities, because if they were just/mere possibilities, there would not be a Nafta in the future.
Futures are immutable, fixed and defined
Another thing that the OP is missing is that when we talk about the future being immutable, fixed or defined, we are not talking about the future of the world itself (Militia World), but rather about the futures that Nafta sees with its order, all these futures are defined and fixed, only the future of the world itself is not defined and can change, this is said by Nafta.
“If the Goddess of the Future’s Divine Eyes lose sight of the future, that means the future is constantly changing,” Naphta explained. “All clearly defined, fixed futures have disappeared, making my order one worthy of a future of hope.”
About 2° point
The first, second and third scans of the 2nd point are simply an absurd distortion of language, "Real World" refers to the Militia World, it is not a "world that exists", this argument is simply a distortion of words, obviously the World of Nafta would not be considered the "Real World", as it is simply a World (microcosms of the world) created by order, and none of this really shows that the world does not exist.
Sanctuaries are not created (materialized in reality), when a God/Order is born, a sanctuary materializes together with the Order/God, and begins to exist physically within the Blue Sky of the Gods, what the Gods do is invoke them , because sanctuaries are a "physical materialization of order", they are "created by order".
"Hmm, why did a city come into existence when you were trying to bring Enne-chan into the world?" Eleonore asked with a puzzled expression.
"Just like the land of traces possessed by the Trace God or Naphta's Restricted world, the order of Ennesuone materialized and created this city." I explained.
"Just like the land of traces possessed by the Trace God or Naphta's Restricted world, the order of Ennesuone materialized and created this city." I explained.
Misha points at what’s in front of her.
Scattered like stars across the vivid azure sky are golden volcanoes, white lakes, thorny lands, cities shaped like wheels, and a variety of colorful landscapes.
"This is the Azure Sky of the Gods. All the visible landscapes are divine domains."
They were the same as Ennesuone's budding divine city and Naphta's Restricted world.
Indeed, each and every one of them is radiating tremendous magic power.
As expected of the divine realm, they are probably able to exert their full power here.
Scattered like stars across the vivid azure sky are golden volcanoes, white lakes, thorny lands, cities shaped like wheels, and a variety of colorful landscapes.
"This is the Azure Sky of the Gods. All the visible landscapes are divine domains."
They were the same as Ennesuone's budding divine city and Naphta's Restricted world.
Indeed, each and every one of them is radiating tremendous magic power.
As expected of the divine realm, they are probably able to exert their full power here.
"materialization"
There is also a lot of use here of the word "materialize", although none of the scans talk about the materialization of anything, the only moments that have anything close to the meaning materialize are talking about "the future that is yet to happen" and "the world being created ", and there is also a addition of the the word "materialize" when talking about NAFTA futures.
I already talked about the world being created above.
Talking about "a future that has yet to happen", he is simply talking about the future that can happen in the Real World (Militia World), which in no way refutes the futures of the Nafta World.
And about the addition of the word "materialize" when talking about the futures, I don't even know where that came from, as there is no scan that says anything related to the Nafta World is "materialized".
Summary:
- Futures exist;
- Futures are immutable, fixed and defined;
- They have a physical form (crystals).
- Futures are not mere possibilities, because if futures were just possibilities, there would not be a Nafta in several different futures to see the future, and the Nafta that exist in the past (past in relation to the Nafta of the future) would not be able to see the future.
- Futures are built and happen for order;
- Sanctuaries are not created or materialized into reality, they are simply invoked. When a God/Order is born, his sanctuary comes into physical existence ("is born") at the same time as the God, and this sanctuary is there in the Blue Sky of the Gods.
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