Maou Gakuin Misleading Hax Revisions - Part 1/3

[Dereck03]

Why would he not seIf-destruct knowing he can just come back from said seIf-destruction?
The onIy way to expIain it is that he cannot instantIy regenerate from seIf-destruction to begin with!

That's literally headcanon. As the current explanation we have is that they can't do things that go against their order, and self-destroying is against it as that's not what their order and function dictates.

Anyway, i'm just waiting for staff input, not going to bother myself responding to your infinity loop comments, literally fujiwara brought the same sht in 2023-2024 and didn't pass so.

 

[Vietthai96]

Its basicaIIy, Iets say, a guy can instantIy regenerate from having his physicaI body destroyed. Then he is facing a strong enemy and is in an extremeIy dire situation, and he can defeat it by seIf-destructing and reIeasing a tons shit of energy/expIosion/whatever. Why would he not seIf-destruct knowing he can just come back from said seIf-destruction?
The onIy way to expIain it is that he cannot instantIy regenerate from seIf-destruction to begin with!

no offense, but that isn't an argument, you literally arguing about plot holes itself, which have nothing to do with the characters' abilities, it is like you arguing, this guy have immeasurable speed, why he didn't using it all time, even in daily life to speed run everything, or arguing B is stated to have conceptual attacks, but B instead using physical attacks again an enemy, why B don't use the conceptual attacks to one shot the opponent, blah blah blah. Literally, you arguing about why a certain scenario do not happen and use it to debunk a character's abilities

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Read the scan properly. Anos destroyed them while is Mauve eyes are active.

And Mauve magic eyes can negate the gods power.

The scan you gave says it reduced the undestroyabIe god to nothingness, which just means it negated the fact that the the source of gods is infinite and thus cannot be reduced to nothingness, but the mauve eyes did so, it does not say that it was the reason they could not regenerate.

Also, that does not address the case with Arcana.

That's literally headcanon. As the current explanation we have is that they can't do things that go against their order, and self-destroying is against it as that's not what their order and function dictates.

Except, it isnt.

The demons of this era were weak, but as a result, I had been forced to better manage my magic power, which had in turn honed my control.
Now, instead of destroying the gods, I could simply break them.
This allowed me to seize their power while protecting the world.

Gods were the embodiment of order. But because they were order, they were bound by the rules. Self-destruction was not an option for them.

The statement of seIf-destruction was in context to Anos only breaking them and not destroying them compIeteIy, which protected the world from its destruction as weII. That explains why gods cannot self-destruct, because if they did so, the world would be destroyed. Which just proves that they cannot regenerate from compIete source destruction, as that would entaiI that the world would not be destroyed since they couId just regenerate, which is not the case.

And, on a separate note, this will be my last reply of the day, I have to go do something else that I wiII be busy with for a whiIe, so if other staff does not come and give their opinion, my next reply will be tomorrow. In the meantime, Happy Christmas to all of ya.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

no offense, but that isn't an argument, you literally arguing about plot holes itself, which have nothing to do with the characters' abilities, it is like you arguing, this guy have immeasurable speed, why he didn't using it all time, even in daily life to speed run everything, or arguing B is stated to have conceptual attacks, but B instead using physical attacks again an enemy, why B don't use the conceptual attacks to one shot the opponent, blah blah blah. Literally, you arguing about why a certain scenario do not happen and use it to debunk a character's abilities

Could point out something really damn funny with you mentioning this

 

[Godsatoshi23]

The scan you gave says it reduced the undestroyabIe god to nothingness, which just means it negated the fact that the the source of gods is infinite and thus cannot be reduced to nothingness, but the mauve eyes did so, it does not say that it was the reason they could not regenerate.

Also, that does not address the case with Arcana.

Bro, Mauve eyes have same abilities as Venz. Like Venz it can negate god's regeneration.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

no offense, but that isn't an argument, you literally arguing about plot holes itself, which have nothing to do with the characters' abilities, it is like you arguing, this guy have immeasurable speed, why he didn't using it all time, even in daily life to speed run everything, or arguing B is stated to have conceptual attacks, but B instead using physical attacks again an enemy, why B don't use the conceptual attacks to one shot the opponent, blah blah blah. Literally, you arguing about why a certain scenario do not happen and use it to debunk a character's abilities

Could point out something really damn funny with you mentioning this

You mean Faster than sound = immeasurable speed lol.

Anyway Mauve eyes negates Gods powers. Regeneration getting negated isn't an anti feat. Seems like just a bad arguments from opponent side nothing else.

 

[Dereck03]

Guys, I know it's fun and all, but please stay on topic and please don't derail, any comments of such nature will be deleted.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Guys, I know it's fun and all, but please stay on topic and please don't derail, any comments of such nature will be deleted.

Apologies

 

[Dog3352]

I don't know why insist on the Lay thing, Anos literally says "unlike normal people", making it very obvious that he is comparing Lay with humans.

• Mauve Eyes is able to neg the powers of the gods, that's the point of Anos using it, he is even able to compete with Venuz;
• When Anos mentions Lay, it is only comparing with humans;
• Venuz is able to neg the regeneration of the Gods, this is the only reason why Nousgalia did not regenerate from the destruction of its source, Anos literally says this

The demons of this era were weak, but as a result, I had been forced to better manage my magic power, which had in turn honed my control.
Now, instead of destroying the gods, I could simply break them.
This allowed me to seize their power while protecting the world.
Gods were the embodiment of order. But because they were order, they were bound by the rules. Self-destruction was not an option for them.

When Anos talks about "breaking" here, he talks about limiting Nousgalia in some way, Nousgalia couldn't be destroyed as that would destroy the world, so Anos decided to break him (limit him/limite his powers), that's why he even mentions that he could now "take the powers while protecting the world", as he did not need to destroy Nousgalia, but just limit (break) it, leaving it with 10% power.

He even talks about himself achieving better control over his power so, just like Nousgalia, Anos is too strong for the demons of that time, so he had to control his power better, and he references this to Nousgalia because with Nousgalia it was something similar, only unlike Anos, he was limited, not that he was controlling his power.

 

[Tatsumi504]

In fact, even Arcana, who could recover from partial source destruction by using the light of restoration, described her soon-to-happen complete source destruction as a salvation for herself:

Hwat? Nah, bro is tripping. Levingilma literally has high-godly regen neg

but Gods cannot do it.

Anahem: Am I a joke to you?

So order makes that ruIe as a safety measure to make sure nothing happens to it, simpIe as that. Thats the simpIe scenario one can deduce from the why does that ruIe exist?

Headcanon. Where's your evidence?
Naphta literally self destructs because of her order

Cracks ran along the Goddess of the Future’s body as she began to break down. No matter how much she restricted the world, the only future in store for one facing me was destruction. That future was fast approaching Naphta.

Gods couldn’t defy order. Naphta had kept her eyes closed to avoid seeing this result.

Please re-read again. He just says it's because of the sword, but Nosgalia says they can't destroy it because the world would fall apart, then he gets angry because Anos controls the goddess's power (Negation his regeneration). Plus the incredible lack of context there is.

Also, why are they so sure that Nostalgia can fully return after its destruction, if Nosgalia himself got angry that Anos could control the power of the goddess (Negation his regeneration). He didn't even know that he could control her power anymore. So it's strange that they keep claiming that she regenerates even if her source is completely destroyed.

Reading comprehension just keeps leaving the chat huh? Nosgalia is surprised that he mastered the power not control it. Previousy all Anos could do was fully destroy, now he can break them just enough that they can't do shit anymore.

The scan you gave says it reduced the undestroyabIe god to nothingness, which just means it negated the fact that the the source of gods is infinite and thus cannot be reduced to nothingness, but the mauve eyes did so, it does not say that it was the reason they could not regenerate.

Three things make Gods undestroyable. Immortality, Regeneration and Invulnerability.

Astral, at this point I'm sure you're a child somewhere between 13-17 yrs of age give or take 2 years. This fixation on self-destruction that has nothing to do with anything here but for the sake of understanding and since it's Christmas, I'll humor you.

Self-destruction not being an option for the Gods for one is not referring to your fixation of blowing oneself up cause that's a stupid idea, it is referring to self-harm. Anos meant Nosgalia will not choose self harm in order to spite him.
Gods are orderly beings and they live their life according to the whims of their order. They live and die according to it, they cannot defy it and the same applies to spirits. Spirits live and die according to their rumors and lore. The way a god and spirit live their life is dependent on order and rumors respectively.

Deidrich seeking power wanted to become a proxy so he could overturn a prophecy but should he have become a god, he would be unable to overturn it since they cannot go against order.
Militia after creating Ennesuone which was an act that contradicted order and she could no longer cross Anos Beno Ievun because her order forced her to remain in the mortal world and she couldn't resist it. Militia normally can resist her order and go against it but creating Ennesuone weakened her.
Avernyu never wished to continuously destroy and cause death but because she was unable to go against her order, the sun of destruction continued to wreak havoc for millions of years until Anos showed up.

Speaking of self destruction, Anderk the Goddess of abortion killed herself (self harm) as a means to stop Ennesuone from being born and Anahem the God of death literally self destructed to escape Wenzel bindings. Eguz De Raphan the keepers of destruction would literally burn themselves under Sargeldonave and throw their flaming bodies against any intruders attempting to disrupt Sargeldonave

Gods exist for the purpose of maintaining order and harming themselves will literally disrupt it which is why it isn't an option for them. It's not some headcanon of a rule as you're insinuating if it were, none of the examples I gave above will even be possible.

I'd send scans but this is the limit I'm unwilling to cross in attempt to humor you. If you want to know more, feel free to go read vol 9, 10

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Hwat? Nah, bro is tripping. Levingilma literally has high-godly regen neg

Anahem: Am I a joke to you?

Headcanon. Where's your evidence?
Naphta literally self destructs because of her order


Reading comprehension just keeps leaving the chat huh? Nosgalia is surprised that he mastered the power not control it. Previousy all Anos could do was fully destroy, now he can break them just enough that they can't do shit anymore.

Three things make Gods undestroyable. Immortality, Regeneration and Invulnerability.

Astral, at this point I'm sure you're a child somewhere between 13-17 yrs of age give or take 2 years. This fixation on self-destruction that has nothing to do with anything here but for the sake of understanding and since it's Christmas, I'll humor you.

Self-destruction not being an option for the Gods for one is not referring to your fixation of blowing oneself up cause that's a stupid idea, it is referring to self-harm. Anos meant Nosgalia will not choose self harm in order to spite him.
Gods are orderly beings and they live their life according to the whims of their order. They live and die according to it, they cannot defy it and the same applies to spirits. Spirits live and die according to their rumors and lore. The way a god and spirit live their life is dependent on order and rumors respectively.

Deidrich seeking power wanted to become a proxy so he could overturn a prophecy but should he have become a god, he would be unable to overturn it since they cannot go against order.
Militia after creating Ennesuone which was an act that contradicted order and she could no longer cross Anos Beno Ievun because her order forced her to remain in the mortal world and she couldn't resist it. Militia normally can resist her order and go against it but creating Ennesuone weakened her.
Avernyu never wished to continuously destroy and cause death but because she was unable to go against her order, the sun of destruction continued to wreak havoc for millions of years until Anos showed up.

Speaking of self destruction, Anderk the Goddess of abortion killed herself (self harm) as a means to stop Ennesuone from being born and Anahem the God of death literally self destructed to escape Wenzel bindings. Eguz De Raphan the keepers of destruction would literally burn themselves under Sargeldonave and throw their flaming bodies against any intruders attempting to disrupt Sargeldonave

Gods exist for the purpose of maintaining order and harming themselves will literally disrupt it which is why it isn't an option for them. It's not some headcanon of a rule as you're insinuating if it were, none of the examples I gave above will even be possible.

I'd send scans but this is the limit I'm unwilling to cross in attempt to humor you. If you want to know more, feel free to go read vol 9, 10

Tbh idk why he keeps talking about that point when it isn’t even needed. The simple fact is that when a god dies the world slowly gets destroyed. All you have to do is provide one scan in which they regen when the world is getting destroyed.cause if that doesn’t happen,it simply means that they weren’t fully destroyed in the first place. (Ironically it is similar reasoning on rimuru getting his high godly removed)

 

[Tatsumi504]

Tbh idk why he keeps talking about that point when it isn’t even needed. The simple fact is that when a god dies the world slowly gets destroyed. All you have to do is provide one scan in which they regen when the world is getting destroyed.cause if that doesn’t happen,it simply means that they weren’t fully destroyed in the first place. (Ironically it is similar reasoning on rimuru getting his high godly removed)

What does this have to do with their HGR? Also, when a God is destroyed, their order is disrupted, it doesn't cause the world to collapse. Nosgalia's order is a special case.
Also, each scan shows they were fully destroyed.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Tbh idk why he keeps talking about that point when it isn’t even needed. The simple fact is that when a god dies the world slowly gets destroyed. All you have to do is provide one scan in which they regen when the world is getting destroyed.cause if that doesn’t happen,it simply means that they weren’t fully destroyed in the first place. (Ironically it is similar reasoning on rimuru getting his high godly removed)

somehow I believe you're one of the reasonable ones.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

What does this have to do with their HGR? Also, when a God is destroyed, their order is disrupted, it doesn't cause the world to collapse. Nosgalia's order is a special case.
Also, each scan shows they were fully destroyed.

this is also indeed true.

 

[Tatsumi504]

I believe I sent this earlier already

I continued beating Gard Aske into him—into his abdomen, into his throat, into his face. The pope flew backwards, smashing through several pillars before hitting the wall and coming to a stop. Doldread, the God of Gospel, rotted away and perished.

“So it seems. The songfire spell targeting Midhaze was similar to Lanrez. It’s much stronger than when I last saw it, so the pope must have used Egred to resurrect even more followers this time.”

“Gods that perish in the Selection Trial can’t be resurrected until the trial ends. Casting Egred should require the God of Gospel’s power.”

“I destroyed that god already.”

After the selection trial, all destroyed Gods will literally regenerate. The only ones that do regenerate during the trial are those with more broken immortality type 8 like Doldread, Naphta and Revalschnedd.
Naphta cannot be destroyed without destroying every future where she is alive, Doldread cannot be destroyed so long as the Gospel keeps resounding, Revalschnedd cannot be destroyed without destroying the past

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

What does this have to do with their HGR? Also, when a God is destroyed, their order is disrupted, it doesn't cause the world to collapse. Nosgalia's order is a special case.
Also, each scan shows they were fully destroyed.

Simply show a scan saying that order was disrupted when they died. Cause the scans say stuff like sliced,shatter,etc. which are all things that leave behind traces.I honestly don’t see evidence on complete destruction. I think a god killing wepon not killing a god (completely destroying the source and order being disrupted) is really kinda dumb. What else can fully destroy the source if not that? Can some random just produce an attack that is stronger than a god killing wepon?

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

What does this have to do with their HGR? Also, when a God is destroyed, their order is disrupted, it doesn't cause the world to collapse. Nosgalia's order is a special case.
Also, each scan shows they were fully destroyed.

Simply show a scan saying that order was disrupted when they died. Cause the scans say stuff like sliced,shatter,etc. which are all things that leave behind traces.I honestly don’t see evidence on complete destruction. I think a god killing wepon not killing a god (completely destroying the source and order being disrupted) is really kinda dumb. What else can fully destroy the source if not that? Can some random just produce an attack that is stronger than a god killing wepon?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Simply show a scan saying that order was disrupted when they died. Cause the scans say stuff like sliced,shatter,etc. which are all things that leave behind traces.I honestly don’t see evidence on complete destruction. I think a god killing wepon not killing a god (completely destroying the source and order being disrupted) is really kinda dumb. What else can fully destroy the source if not that? Can some random just produce an attack that is stronger than a god killing wepon?

Again what's that has anything to do with HGR?

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

We are losing the plot now.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

I think a god killing wepon not killing a god (completely destroying the source and order being disrupted) is really kinda dumb.

Shin's Sword has a god-killing effect, doesn't work on Nousgalia and we see what had to be done when that doesn't work, simple as that

 

[Wesker018]

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Any input?

 

[Wesker018]

i agree with dereck so far, using plot holes and narrative decisions as an attempt of conterargument is hilarious, it's like talking about venzudonoa and saying: Venuzdonoa logic manip is fake because why doesn't Anos use it against absolutely everything? Doesn't it break all logic? Why doesn't he use it to break the logic that he has to do things to achieve his goal and automatically get everything. huh maybe because the novel would last one ***** chapter.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

i agree with dereck so far, using plot holes and narrative decisions as an attempt to contain the argument is hilarious, it's like talking about venzudonoa and saying: Venuzdonoa logic manip is fake because why doesn't Anos use it against absolutely everything? Doesn't it break all logic? Why doesn't he use it to break the logic that he has to do things to achieve his goal and automatically get everything. huh maybe because the novel would last one ***** chapter.

Is that where you stand as a whole or do you need more convincing to disagree with the OP (but considering your words I'm assuming not)

 

[Tatsumi504]

Simply show a scan saying that order was disrupted when they died. Cause the scans say stuff like sliced,shatter,etc. which are all things that leave behind traces.I honestly don’t see evidence on complete destruction.

Emphasis on traces. The source isn't some physical substance that will leave fragments behind. If destroyed, it'll cease to exist as shown.

I think a god killing weapon not killing a god (completely destroying the source and order being disrupted) is really kinda dumb. What else can fully destroy the source if not that? Can some random just produce an attack that is stronger than a god killing wepon?

Yes, a stronger god killing immortality negging weapon. I already mentioned that there's layered immortality and regen in the story.

 

[Wesker018]

Is that where you stand as a whole or do you need more convincing to disagree with the OP (but considering your words I'm assuming not)

yeah i disagree with the op, mainly because the other points were well refuted by supporters and the last counterargument standing was the "self-destruction" one which is vague and far-fetched in my opinion.

 

[Vietthai96]

Simply show a scan saying that order was disrupted when they died. Cause the scans say stuff like sliced,shatter,etc. which are all things that leave behind traces.I honestly don’t see evidence on complete destruction. I think a god killing wepon not killing a god (completely destroying the source and order being disrupted) is really kinda dumb. What else can fully destroy the source if not that? Can some random just produce an attack that is stronger than a god killing wepon?

I need to sleep soon, but i believe this is another case of hyper-focusing on surface definition of texts, from what scans MGK supporters show, when someone is destroyed, mean their source too, and source is concept of one existence, if it get cut, sliced, it is destroyed, simple as that which i believe also show visually in anime, Anos even crush source with his hands, which normally the action of crushing something will leave behind remnants, but it actually completely destroyed Avos source. Fictional verse is also literature. do not need to always using hyper specific words like erase, completely destroyed to show that something is completely erased, destroyed. Playing with texts and semantics is the last thing we should do here

Anyway, i will now go to be, good bye everyone ^^

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Disagree: Me, Satoshi, Dog, Dereck, Tatsumi, Elde, Rozan, Wesker, (I think) Vietthai


Not sure what to put for: Alipheese, DarkSoul, Deceived, Eseseso


I'm assuming the tensura supporters that came here obviously agree with the OP, LMAO.

If anyone else wants to bother to correct me.. then aye, better say so, did it off the top of my head and I'm tired right now..

The list grows.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

By the way, it seems the OP became NEP after creating the thread with Astral's arguments, so I'm asking him now to update the tally. I completely disagree with the thread based on my arguments and also on the part of the spirits given the evidence that others have provided here, be sure to put in the OP the arguments that were already dropped, such as Invulnerability and Immortality Type 1.

I ask the others present here to express their votes after having read the arguments of both sides to be added to the tally.

Looks good to me.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Disagree: Me, Satoshi, Dog, Dereck, Tatsumi, Elde, Rozan, Wesker, (I think) Vietthai, DDM


Not sure what to put for: Alipheese, DarkSoul, Deceived, Eseseso

Agree: AstralTrinity, Robo, TempestDragon, EikichiSensei


If anyone else wants to bother to correct me.. then aye, better say so, did it off the top of my head and I'm tired right now..

Updated.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Updated.

Bold Staff votes.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Disagree: Me, Satoshi, Dog, Dereck, Tatsumi, Elde, Rozan, Wesker, (I think) Vietthai, DarkDragonMedeus


Not sure what to put for: Alipheese, DarkSoul, Deceived, Eseseso

Agree: AstralTrinity, Robo, TempestDragon, EikichiSensei


If anyone else wants to bother to correct me.. then aye, better say so, did it off the top of my head and I'm tired right now..

bolded for staff votes.

 

[Wesker018]

Dereck is admin too

 

[BreezeHM]

Tatsumi's & Dereck's counterarguments make sense to me.

 

[Eseseso]

After looking through both sides, Dereck's arguments seem to be notably better and more supported, so for now I'll disagree with the OP.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

bolded for staff votes.

Dereck be like

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Dereck be like

I DIDN'T ACTUALLY, LMFAAOOO

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Disagree: Me, Satoshi, Dog, Dereck, Tatsumi, Elde, Rozan, Wesker, (I think) Vietthai, DarkDragonMedeus, BreezeHM, Eseseso (switched to disagreeing with the op after reading the rebuttal from Dereck)


Not sure what to put for: Alipheese, DarkSoul, Deceived

Agree: AstralTrinity, Robo, TempestDragon, EikichiSensei


If anyone else wants to bother to correct me.. then aye, better say so, did it off the top of my head and I'm tired right now..

Alright, updated AGAIN.. hopefully got everything

12(disagree)-4(agree) difference

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Tbh idk why he keeps talking about that point when it isn’t even needed. The simple fact is that when a god dies the world slowly gets destroyed. All you have to do is provide one scan in which they regen when the world is getting destroyed.cause if that doesn’t happen,it simply means that they weren’t fully destroyed in the first place. (Ironically it is similar reasoning on rimuru getting his high godly removed)

I'll admit I forgot about you when tallying the votes so tell me which side you believe in, less you just want me to put you for agreeing with the op

 

[Robo432343]

i like how only the tensura fans agree with op