Maou Gakuin No Futekigousha (The Misfit of Demon King Academy) 2-A for Future World Crystal and Mortal World

[Hajun]

The world is in possibilities (rolls the dice), and what the possibility that appear will becomes result/what the world it is​

"When these eyes are opened, Naphta will see all the futures. All futures, all miracles, are in the hands of future god Nafta. From the gaps in your hands, the future of victory will spill out, even the possibility of resisting is gone.” She says naturally. "Some people die from catching a cold. Some fall and die. Everyone rolls the dice of God and lives in this world as a result. If you dare challenge Nafta, the worst day will come your way." Maou Gakuin WN CHP: 254

 

[Caduz213]

No, venejiara won't have been enough. That's your headcanon but anos literally destroys all futures with EGA and nafta had to limit it because it would have reached the real world is undisputable

Do you have proof that <Venejiara> wouldn't be enough?He just didn't use it because he knew that the possibilities are materialized futures. That's why he used the world destroyer spell. If crystal futures were just possibilities of future, I don't see how Venejiara wouldn't be effective

 

[Tatsumi504]

Do you have proof that <Venejiara> wouldn't be enough?He just didn't use it because he knew that the possibilities are materialized futures. That's why he used the world destroyer spell. If crystal futures were just possibilities of future, I don't see how Venejiara wouldn't be effective

This would derail the thread so maybe we can discuss this in the discussion thread

 

[PrinceofPein]

If it doesn't then explain why the things nafta does induce physical change and don't just exist as possibilities.

They're are still other undeniable proof like Kandaquizorte being the physical manifestation of all futures

There was not a single mention of these

and is equal to the size of the world.

shape not size

Another contradiction you're creating is nafta effectively changing the past which is not possible for her.

Huh??

Until you disprove at least these 3 things then your point is moot.

There is nothing to disprove as I never claimed anything that you said in the first place.

The infinite number of future is already being materialized/realized and constructed by order​

"God is order. The agent will be the same. The many futures seen by the future god Nafta, are constructed according to that order. No matter how much power she has, an orderly god cannot overturn an orderly future." Maou Gakuin WN CHP: 295

"There is no such thing. If there is even one future where we can fly, that future will materialized, but there is no future where you can fly in this tree crown celestial sphere..."

"There is no single future is decided. With the love of Nafta, there are infinite possibilities, and people hold hope in their hearts and seize a better future. Dragon Knights, don't be afraid" . . . Maou Gakuin WN CHP: 465

Yes read it and highlight where it said those possibilities already exist as a reality.
This literally said "no single future is decided" and also "that future will materialize" means "that future will become a reality".

Like really how hard can this be?.


Anyway I have called some staffs hopefully they reply

 

[Firestorm808]

To clarify, we have confirmation that these alternate timelines exist parallel to eachother?

 

[Sharkass]

staffs are chilling with a fine cup of cappuccino

 

[PrinceofPein]

To clarify, we have confirmation that these alternate timelines exist parallel to eachother?

Nope, We don't even have confirmation they exist physically, just as a possibility of the future from someone who can see all "possible futures".

 

[Hajun]

There was not a single mention of these

shape not size

Huh??

There is nothing to disprove as I never claimed anything that you said in the first place.

Yes read it and highlight where it said those possibilities already exist as a reality.
This literally said "no single future is decided" and also "that future will materialize" means "that future will become a reality".

Like really how hard can this be?.


Anyway I have called some staffs hopefully they reply

The world is in possibilities (rolls the dice), and what the possibility that appear will becomes result/what the world it is​

"When these eyes are opened, Naphta will see all the futures. All futures, all miracles, are in the hands of future god Nafta. From the gaps in your hands, the future of victory will spill out, even the possibility of resisting is gone.” She says naturally. "Some people die from catching a cold. Some fall and die. Everyone rolls the dice of God and lives in this world as a result. If you dare challenge Nafta, the worst day will come your way." Maou Gakuin WN CHP: 254

 

[PrinceofPein]

The world is in possibilities (rolls the dice), and what the possibility that appear will becomes result/what the world it is​

"When these eyes are opened, Naphta will see all the futures. All futures, all miracles, are in the hands of future god Nafta. From the gaps in your hands, the future of victory will spill out, even the possibility of resisting is gone.” She says naturally. "Some people die from catching a cold. Some fall and die. Everyone rolls the dice of God and lives in this world as a result. If you dare challenge Nafta, the worst day will come your way." Maou Gakuin WN CHP: 254

And this proves those futures she sees are already existing physically?? I mean where did it say it? Or why are you sending this?

The girl is literally a High budget yhwach.

 

[Tatsumi504]

There was not a single mention of these

There is in previous chapters where Anos embodies possibilities. The possibilities only exists as abstract existences yet nafta's possibilities have physical form.

shape not size

Its shape Is literally said to be equal to the size of the world. How does this not mean its size is equal to the size of the world?

Huh??

Using probability manipulation to overturn events that have happened would effectively change the past which isn't possible.

There is nothing to disprove as I never claimed anything that you said in the first place.

You didn't claim it but your claims and arguments are directly contradicting the story's mechanisms.

Yes read it and highlight where it said those possibilities already exist as a reality.
This literally said "no single future is decided" and also "that future will materialize" means "that future will become a reality".

There is no single future decided because there are different infinite futures and nafta can pick one.

Nafta isn't materializing possibilities as when possibility is materialized, its as an abstract existence not something bonafide with physical form.
You have not addressed this reasoning at all.
At this point, this is stonewalling.

Waiting for staff to arrive

 

[Hajun]

Future World Crystal (kandakuizorte), is the future it self. It encompasses all future/possibilities and to destroy that must destroy all possibilities​

"Kandakuizorte is the future itself. There is no way to touch the future."

" Kandakuizorte, is the many futures of this world, that is equal to the shape of the world. Your action is to compare who will perish first, the world or yourself. The conclusion will be clearer than looking at the fire"

"Nafta swears. As long as the present is here, the future will revive over and over again even if it perishes. The only way to destroy Future World Crystal is to destroy all possibilities." The number of crystal fragments increases in a blink of an eye, like a shining sandstorm, it envelops this place. "This is possibility, the shape of another world. Sinner, I will punish you in the limited world" . . . Maou Gakuin WN CHP: 255

 

[Orioreeem]

@Hajun Those scans are all in the OP, posting them over and over again clutters the thread

 

[Tatsumi504]

To clarify, we have confirmation that these alternate timelines exist parallel to eachother?

Not that they exist parallel to each other but that they exist physically.

'You'd better pull out your spear quickly. Before the demon king's blood, spewing from its roots, rots the candaquizorte."

'The Kandakuisorte, the crystal of the future world, will be equal to the many futures of this world, it will be equal to the shape of the world. Your deed is to compare which will perish first, the world or yourself. The conclusion will be clearer than fire."

'Indeed, it is reasonable.'

Edit: different parallel timelines weren't explored in the story but there is proof that they exist

 

[Hajun]

Future World Crystal (kandakuizorte), is the future it self. It encompasses all future/possibilities and to destroy that must destroy all possibilities​

"Kandakuizorte is the future itself. There is no way to touch the future."

" Kandakuizorte, is the many futures of this world, that is equal to the shape of the world. Your action is to compare who will perish first, the world or yourself. The conclusion will be clearer than looking at the fire"

"Nafta swears. As long as the present is here, the future will revive over and over again even if it perishes. The only way to destroy Future World Crystal is to destroy all possibilities." The number of crystal fragments increases in a blink of an eye, like a shining sandstorm, it envelops this place. "This is possibility, the shape of another world. Sinner, I will punish you in the limited world" . . . Maou Gakuin WN CHP: 255

I can say this already proves that possibility exist physically

 

[Hajun]

He is not reading it in the op already proved that possibility exist physically

@Hajun Those scans are all in the OP, posting them over and over again clutters the thread

 

[Sharkass]

https://www.google.com/search?q=whi...d=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=u4Nm_7F7Ko1HiM
Heres the staff

 

[Dereck03]

Why ignoring the fact of all those futures are equals to a world. Even in its shape, Pain said size =/= shape which is correct but they are taking the shape of militia world which is 4-D.They have all the context of what happens in battle but clearly ignore what Kandaquisort is.

Kandaquisort are all the futures of the world, which in turn are equal to the world itself. And if you want to destroy it, you have to destroy all possibilities, which here refers to all futures.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Well I am.only here to provide more context to what they said, so it won't be like when I also agreed to this thread a bit before reading the chapter, so here is the full thing

To clarify, we have confirmation that these alternate timelines exist parallel to eachother?

Not that they exist parallel to each other but that they exist physically.

Here is the context of the scan he sent in his message above.
Anos was about to foght nafta the god of the future. Then she looked into the future and saw a lot of possibilities but in all of those possible futures there was a single one where he was unable to grab the spear nafta threw at him cause she has the power to limit you to whatever future she chooses of all the possible futures. I.e. something simar to Dr strange to Ironman about winning thanos

He grabbed the crystal spear with his right hand and caught it.

Nafta predicted(limited) the future. "You didn't catch the spear."

　As soon as the god of the future uttered these words, the crystal spear, which I thought I had grabbed, slipped through my hand.

　I quickly jumped back, but the speed of Kandakui Zolte was slightly faster, and the tip of the spear gouged my stomach.

Limited, huh? I see. It is true that once in a billion times, we may fail to catch it. ＜So the power of the Crystal of the Future Life limits us to that future.>

Edit: different parallel timelines weren't explored in the story but there is proof that they exist

Lol, your proof been what you said in this thread right?? Not that it was literally mentioned?

I mean at first you all said no different timelines don't exist, then when I explained to you the implications of you guys claims, suddenly they exist??

 

[Hajun]

"There is no single future is decided. With the love of Nafta, there are infinite possibilities, and people hold hope in their hearts and seize a better future. Dragon Knights, don't be afraid" . . . Maou Gakuin WN CHP: 465

And here it already proves thier is infinite possibilities = infinite futures which are reffered same as the shape militia which is a 4D world so now this proves that infinite possibilities = infinite timelines = infinite 4D timelines = we know what it is a 2A

 

[Orioreeem]

Well I am.only here to provide more context to what they said, so it won't be like when I also agreed to this thread a bit before reading the chapter, so here is the full thing


Here is the context of the scan he sent in his message above.
Anos was about to foght nafta the god of the future. Then she looked into the future and saw a lot of possibilities but in all of those possible futures there was a single one where he was unable to grab the spear nafta threw at him cause she has the power to limit you to whatever future she chooses of all the possible futures. I.e. something simar to Dr strange to Ironman about winning thanos




Lol, your proof been what you said in this thread right?? Not that it was literally mentioned?

I mean at first you all said no different timelines don't exist, then when I explained to you the implications of you guys claims, suddenly they exist??

The scan as pointed earlier is also wrongly translated. Instead of predict the word used is limited.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Why ignoring the fact of all those futures are equals to a world. Even in its shape, Pain said size =/= shape which is correct but they are taking the shape of militia world which is 4-D.They have all the context of what happens in battle but clearly ignore what Kandaquisort is.

I am not ignoring what it is, this is what it is

You are a god who controls the future, and you are very strong. But it's time to get serious. You must foresee the future seriously, or you may well end up here.

　Without stopping, he headed toward Nafta.

　At that moment, Kandakuisorte, which had turned to rust and dissipated, emerged as countless shards of sparkling crystal.

Nafta swears an oath. As long as the present is here, the future will rise again and again, even if it perishes. ＜The only way to destroy the crystal of the future is to destroy all possibilities.

　The shards of the crystal are growing in number and enveloping the place like a shining sandstorm.

It is another form of the world that could have been. I sentence thee, O man of iniquity, to the punishment of a limited world.

see another world that could have been. I mean you can't just ignore all these things. Do you need me to explain that phrase?

As soon as the crystal sandstorm passed, the landscape changed.
It was a strange city. Every building, every plant, every person was made of crystal.

　Even the mountains in the distance, the canopy in the distance, and the flowing rivers were made of crystal.

　I could feel tremendous magical power from each and every one of them.

Hm. A world made of candiquisorte.

Nafta swears. Nafta swears to you that this world will be limited so that everything will turn out for the worst for you. Your victory will not be chosen in this world.

 

[Hajun]

So you are gonna ignore this

Nafta swears to be defeated. No matter how much I limit the future, zero will never become one. There is no single future in which you are defeated."
No single future means she see in more future but she didn't win in a single one

 

[Hajun]

If future already didn't exist physically how is she seeing in another timeline oh by you believing she didn't and already in op prove possibility = futures = worlds and which is also reffered as the shape of the world which is reffered to militia which is 4D and futures are in the shape of crystals infinite possibilities infinite crystals infinite futures infinite timelines that's all so easy to understand

 

[PrinceofPein]

So you are gonna ignore this

Nafta swears to be defeated. No matter how much I limit the future, zero will never become one. There is no single future in which you are defeated."
No single future means she see in more future but she didn't win in a single one

And this is supposed to mean those futures exist physically?? Like try and understand what you wish to send befoe sending. Like how does that statement refutes my claim?

 

[Tatsumi504]

Well I am.only here to provide more context to what they said, so it won't be like when I also agreed to this thread a bit before reading the chapter, so here is the full thing


Here is the context of the scan he sent in his message above.
Anos was about to foght nafta the god of the future. Then she looked into the future and saw a lot of possibilities but in all of those possible futures there was a single one where he was unable to grab the spear nafta threw at him cause she has the power to limit you to whatever future she chooses of all the possible futures. I.e. something simar to Dr strange to Ironman about winning thanos




Lol, your proof been what you said in this thread right?? Not that it was literally mentioned?

I mean at first you all said no different timelines don't exist, then when I explained to you the implications of you guys claims, suddenly they exist??

For your quote about the fight, probability manipulation would make Anos to both be holding the spear and a spear of possibilities would have pierced him but he the future was literally changed to one where he failed to catch the spear.

You're trying to dismiss proof you haven't even countered? Obvious stonewalling.

I would appreciate it if you don't universally include everyone in that "you guys" cause that's obviously not the case.

Explain why nafta's future possibilities exists while others are only abstract existences then we can talk.

At first you tried to write off the entire fight as a prediction which was obviously not the case, and now you're completely ignoring counter arguments.

 

[Dereck03]

see another world that could have been. I mean you can't just ignore all these things. Do you need me to explain that

"<Future World Crystal> Kandaquisort is the many futures of this world, and is equal in form to the world. You are now trying to compare what will perish first: the world or yourself. The result is quite obvious." "As you might expect from a goddess who commands the future, you're quite strong. But it's about time you started fighting to the fullest. If you don't start looking into the future with the utmost seriousness, you could perish here." I walked toward Nafta without stopping. In the meantime, the rusted and dissipated Kandaquisort turned into countless brightly shining crystal shards. "Nafta swears. As long as there is a present, the future will rise again and again even if it is destroyed. The only way to destroy the Future World Crystal is to destroy all possibilities." The number of crystal shards increased rapidly, enveloping the place like a shining sandstorm. "This could be another form of the world. Condemned, you are sentenced to a limiting world."

Everything is related to the world (in this case to the world of militia) keeping its shape, being equal, even changing the form.

 

[Tatsumi504]

I am not ignoring what it is, this is what it is


see another world that could have been. I mean you can't just ignore all these things. Do you need me to explain that phrase?

Really interesting how you choose to omit the parts that say "Kandaquizorte is the many futures of the world and its shape is equal to that of the world"

 

[Hajun]

She sees in all possible futures and we already know possibilities futures = to world which I don't know what you didn't understand about it is easy to understand if you have readed the whole novel instead of jumping from one to another chapter

And this is supposed to mean those futures exist physically?? Like try and understand what you wish to send befoe sending. Like how does that statement refutes my claim?

 

[Orioreeem]

Chapter 310


「未来神の秩序は、未来を司る秩序。ナフタの存在そのものが、未来の秩序を保っている。ゆえに、ナフタの神眼めにも盲点があります。ナフタが見ることのできない現在は、それより以前の時間にいるナフタにも、未来として映りません」

　ナフタが厳かな声で言う。

「すなわち、ナフタが存在しない未来は、ナフタが存在する未来とは確かに異なる。そして、この神眼には映りません」


"The order of the god of the future is the order that governs the future. Nafta's very existence preserves the order of the future. Hence, there is a blind spot in Naphta's divine eye. The present, which Nafta cannot see, is not seen as the future, even by Nafta, who is in earlier time.
　
Naphtah's voice was stern.

"The future in which Nafta does not exist is certainly different from a future in which she does exist. And it's not reflected in this divine eye."

^ @Pain_to12 This also needs to be addressed as well.

 

[Hajun]

You every point literally every point shows you thinking nafta is controlling and forming the worlds where she only limits one but no the worlds are already physically exist again the thing I said before she picks it not that she is creating it

And this is supposed to mean those futures exist physically?? Like try and understand what you wish to send befoe sending. Like how does that statement refutes my claim?

 

[Hajun]

And this is supposed to mean those futures exist physically?? Like try and understand what you wish to send befoe sending. Like how does that statement refutes my claim?

Your points are already refuted cause she has seen in many futures
Futures and futures are possibilities and possibilities are worlds and thier is infinite possibilities so infinite futures so infinite 4D worlds cause futures are reffered to the shape of militia which is 4D so you are debunk here just read my text carefully you will understand what I mean

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

This thread is really messy...

 

[PrinceofPein]

"<Future World Crystal> Kandaquisort is the many futures of this world, and is equal in form to the world. You are now trying to compare what will perish first: the world or yourself. The result is quite obvious." "As you might expect from a goddess who commands the future, you're quite strong. But it's about time you started fighting to the fullest. If you don't start looking into the future with the utmost seriousness, you could perish here." I walked toward Nafta without stopping. In the meantime, the rusted and dissipated Kandaquisort turned into countless brightly shining crystal shards. "Nafta swears. As long as there is a present, the future will rise again and again even if it is destroyed. The only way to destroy the Future World Crystal is to destroy all possibilities." The number of crystal shards increased rapidly, enveloping the place like a shining sandstorm. "This could be another form of the world. Condemned, you are sentenced to a limiting world."

Everything is related to the world (in this case to the world of militia) keeping its shape, being equal, even changing the form.

This will be nice, except we were explicitly shown that this world is a seperate world from.the actual world and its nafta domain created with the crystal where she can limit whoever she traps inside to just the worst possible outcomes.

 

[Tatsumi504]

「未来神の秩序は、未来を司る秩序。ナフタの存在そのものが、未来の秩序を保っている。ゆえに、ナフタの神眼めにも盲点があります。ナフタが見ることのできない現在は、それより以前の時間にいるナフタにも、未来として映りません」

　ナフタが厳かな声で言う。

「すなわち、ナフタが存在しない未来は、ナフタが存在する未来とは確かに異なる。そして、この神眼には映りません」


"The order of the god of the future is the order that governs the future. Nafta's very existence preserves the order of the future. Hence, there is a blind spot in Nafta's divine eye. The present, which Nafta cannot see, is not seen as the future, even by Nafta, who is in earlier time.
　
Naftas voice was stern.

"The future in which Nafta does not exist is certainly different from a future in which she does exist. And it's not reflected in this divine eye."

This literally means nafta sees the future that her future self sees and as such she can't see any future she doesn't exist in.
Hence if there's a future in which nafta doesn't exist or is dead, the nafta of an earlier time can't see it and it naturally forms a blind spot in her eyes.

 

[Dereck03]

This will be nice, except we were explicitly shown that this world is a seperate world from.the actual world and its nafta domain created with the crystal where she can limit whoever she traps inside to just the worst possible outcomes.

Do you know that each god has its own domain/Shrine/sanctuary that is just a microcosm of the militia world? And even that domain is made up of all the futures that remain equal to the militia world and continue to maintain their shape even when the form of the domain may be change as the scan says.

 

[Tatsumi504]

This will be nice, except we were explicitly shown that this world is a seperate world from.the actual world and its nafta domain created with the crystal where she can limit whoever she traps inside to just the worst possible outcomes.

This sanctuary (the future world) is nafta's domain and is Kandaquizorte. The domain is the embodiment/contains all futures and its shape is equal to the shape of the world.
Of course it is separate from the actual world, why wouldn't it be?

Edit: she can limit them to any possible outcome not just the worst outcome as chapters later she uses it to limit her allies to a future where they are stronger than their normal selves.

This thread is really messy...

Tell me about it. Too many people replying + stonewalling

 

[Hajun]

This will be nice, except we were explicitly shown that this world is a seperate world from.the actual world and its nafta domain created with the crystal where she can limit whoever she traps inside to just the worst possible outcomes.

By this text already proved you are ignoring everything did you forgot about kandaquisort or what?

 

[PrinceofPein]

This literally means nafta sees the future that her future self sees and as such she can't see any future she doesn't exist in.
Hence if there's a future in which nafta doesn't exist or is dead, the nafta of an earlier time can't see it and it naturally forms a blind spot in her eyes.

No it does not, its English
Read it again or rather let me help you break it down, this is the quote

The present, which Nafta cannot see, is not seen as the future, even by Nafta, who is in earlier time.

It means if nafta from the past did not see a certain event that later on happens, even if time was to go back and things start again, nafta still wont see it with her precognition. Don't try to overcomplicate things

Do you know that each god has its own domain/Shrine/sanctuary that is just a microcosm of the militia world? And even that domain is made up of all the futures that remain equal to the militia world and continue to maintain their shape even when their form may be different as the scan says.

I do know that, and then we proceed to see nafta domain and it does not have infinite timelines, or you are going to ignore that??

This sanctuary (the future world) is nafta's domain and is Kandaquizorte. The domain is the embodiment/contains all futures and its shape is equal to the shape of the world.
Of course it is separate from the actual world, why wouldn't it be?

Contains "all possible futures" please next.time say it as it is.

 

[ImmortalDread]

This thread is really messy...

This is only the start, trust me, this will go months till it gets reviewed or not even.

 

[Dereck03]

I do know that, and then we proceed to see nafta domain and it does not have infinite timelines, or you are going to ignore that??

Last scan, explicitly tells us that there are infinite possibilities that are equal to the world=universe.