Maou Gakuin No Futekigousha (The Misfit of Demon King Academy) 2-A for Future World Crystal and Mortal World

[EldemadeDityjon]

I have been trying to be quiet, but you should really learn to read, the thread is concluded already. It was rejected and another proposal was accepted. And yeah someone needs to apply the changes which should be me I guess but I did not receive a notification for it anymore and I did not check it out

I don't know man but the thing is that thread changes are not applied and from lumarc last reply it looks like you both were still arguing.

 

[Hajun]

Again nafta just pick the futures not that she creates it futures are already there nafta has to pick from one of that possible infinite future whole mgk has nothing to do with nafta future world nafta future world is just a microcosm size structure of the real world if I am wrong please correct me who is more knowledgeable about the verse

 

[Glis]

The entire thing I am disputing here is that, the OP claim would mean MGK has an infinite timeline which is forever branching out, there will Be infinite version of Sasha, Anos, the pope.
In a timeline Sasha is dead cause Anos failed to save her in another she is blind. E.t.c.
And so far there is not a proof of infinite timeline, just a single person who can see all possible futures and choose one from it.

Multiple versions of herself does exist, its precisely because she exist in those futures that it's possible for her to perceive those futures, that's the mechanism behind her divine eyes. logically the same would apply to Anos and everyone else that Nafta have seen in the future. A timeline however where Misha dies and all is doubtful as all infinite timelines are constructed by order and Anos is someone who overuturns that order, no matter what order it is it can never reach Anos worse. Otherwise Nafta would've beaten Anos by limiting it to a future where she does.


Chapter 302

「気前のいいことだ」

「その代わり、未来神ナフタを滅ぼす。選定審判を終焉に導くには、あの神が一番の障害なの」

　確かにそうだろうな。

　選定審判の終焉はアガハの預言にて回避すべきこと。

　ナフタがいる限り、その未来を回避することは、ディードリッヒには容易だ。

「あなたに手を下せとは言わないわ。わたしたちのすることを邪魔しないでくれれば、それでいい。どれだけ未来を見つめようとも、幻名騎士団が、あの神を必ず滅ぼす」

　セリスとイージェス、カイヒラムならば、それも可能か？

　ナフタを滅ぼすには、彼女が生存する未来を残らず潰せばいい。


"That's very generous of you."

"Instead, I will destroy Nafta, the god of the future. That god is the biggest obstacle to bringing the Selection Judgment to an end."

　That is certainly true.

　The demise of the Selection Judgment should be avoided by the prophecy of Agatha.

　As long as Nafta is around, it will be easy for Diedrich to avert that future.

"I am not asking you to lend a hand on us. but only to stay out of the way of what we are doing. No matter how much we look to the future, the Knights of the Phantom Knights will surely destroy that god."

Would Celis, Aegis, and Caihilam be able to do that?

　To destroy Nafta, you must destroy every future in which she survives.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I don't know man but the thing is that thread changes are not applied and from lumarc last reply it looks like you both were still arguing.

Pretty sure the stuffs were accepted after weeks of arguing, he has contention of ugo been 7-D instead of 6-D which has already been addressed prior

Again nafta just pick the futures not that she creates it futures are already there nafta has to pick from one of that possible infinite future whole mgk has nothing to do with nafta future world nafta future world is just a microcosm size structure of the real world if I am wrong please correct me who is more knowledgeable about the verse

You are right about the first but the second part not so much

 

[Tatsumi504]

Where was it stated that each shards are another reality on its

Please tell me you're not ignoring this.

'You'd better pull out your spear quickly. Before the demon king's blood, spewing from its roots, rots the candaquizorte."

'The Kandakuisorte, the crystal of the future world, will be equal to the many futures of this world, it will be equal to the shape of the world. Your deed is to compare which will perish first, the world or yourself. The conclusion will be clearer than fire."

'Indeed, it is reasonable.'

Kandaquizorte is already equal to all future, is all the futures of the world and is equal to the shape of the world.

I am not saying you cannot use the crystal to create a world, since NAFTA did just that, she can use the crystal to create a single world where whoever she traps inside will be limited to only misfortune. where was it that there are infinite timelines inside the crystal when how the crystal works goes against that?

In the same quote I made above. Kandaquizorte is a crystal that is equivalent to all futures. How does it contradict the way the crystal works?

Still the proof those possibilities exists already in the future which will mean all characters in the series have infinite version of themselves, possibly uncountable infinite version, which is sadly not the case.

Don't know why this is a point as it wasn't explored that far in the series.

The entire thing I am disputing here is that, the OP claim would mean MGK has an infinite timeline which is forever branching out, there will Be infinite version of Sasha, Anos, the pope.
In a timeline Sasha is dead cause Anos failed to save her in another she is blind. E.t.c.
And so far there is not a proof of infinite timeline, just a single person who can see all possible futures and choose one from it.
There is nothing more, yhwqch physically go into the future to break ichigo’s bankai, does

Don't see how this counters the future already existing considering it wasn't explored and yes, yhwach has 2-A fate manipulation and precognition.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

You are missing up my claim, yes the future possibilities she can see are already pre-ordained, then she has the power to limit whoever she wants to a single possibility.

The entire thing I am disputing here is that, the OP claim would mean MGK has an infinite timeline which is forever branching out, there will Be infinite version of Sasha, Anos, the pope.
In a timeline Sasha is dead cause Anos failed to save her in another she is blind. E.t.c.
And so far there is not a proof of infinite timeline, just a single person who can see all possible futures and choose one from it.
There is nothing more, yhwqch physically go into the future to break ichigo’s bankai, does that mean there is a 2-A structure in bleach?

You are missing OP claim. First of all future possibilities existing in NAFTA future world has nothing to do with real world. Also don't compare other verses with MGF. We have gods and domain for everything even concepts of sound is Born from sound god.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Multiple versions of herself does exist, its precisely because she exist in those futures that it's possible for her to perceive those futures, that's the mechanism behind her divine eyes. logically the same would apply to Anos and everyone else that Nafta have seen in the future. A timeline however where Misha dies and all is doubtful as all infinite timelines are constructed by order and Anos is someone who overuturns that order, no what order it is it can never reach Anos worse. Otherwise Nafta would've beaten Anos by limiting it to a future where she does.


Chapter 302

「気前のいいことだ」

「その代わり、未来神ナフタを滅ぼす。選定審判を終焉に導くには、あの神が一番の障害なの」

　確かにそうだろうな。

　選定審判の終焉はアガハの預言にて回避すべきこと。

　ナフタがいる限り、その未来を回避することは、ディードリッヒには容易だ。

「あなたに手を下せとは言わないわ。わたしたちのすることを邪魔しないでくれれば、それでいい。どれだけ未来を見つめようとも、幻名騎士団が、あの神を必ず滅ぼす」

　セリスとイージェス、カイヒラムならば、それも可能か？

　ナフタを滅ぼすには、彼女が生存する未来を残らず潰せばいい。


"That's very generous of you."

"Instead, I will destroy Nafta, the god of the future. That god is the biggest obstacle to bringing the Selection Judgment to an end."

　That is certainly true.

　The demise of the Selection Judgment should be avoided by the prophecy of Agatha.

　As long as Nafta is around, it will be easy for Diedrich to avert that future.

"I am not asking you to lend a hand on us. but only to stay out of the way of what we are doing. No matter how much we look to the future, the Knights of the Phantom Knights will surely destroy that god."

Would Celis, Aegis, and Caihilam be able to do that?

　To destroy Nafta, you must destroy every future in which she survives.

I’m going to let this slide since you said you don’t speak English that well, anyway No this does not say multiple version of her exist, it means to kill her, you must destroy every future she in which she survives. I.e. there must be no possibility of her existing

 

[PrinceofPein]

Please tell me you're not ignoring this.
Kandaquizorte is already equal to all future, is all the futures of the world and is equal to the shape of the world.

Nope I am not ignoring it, it does not mean much when you combine it with the actual context,

In the same quote I made above. Kandaquizorte is a crystal that is equivalent to all futures. How does it contradict the way the crystal works?

Yes it is the future, since it allows her to limit the future to a single one of all the possible futures, which is how it actually works

Don't know why this is a point as it wasn't explored that far in the series.

It is a point, since that’s what your claim means tho

Don't see how this counters the future already existing considering it wasn't explored and yes, yhwach has 2-A fate manipulation and precognition.

It actually counters it perfectly since if those futures she sees are already existing physically, it would mean all the precog of her fight with Anos she saw in which he could not catch the spear in one of the future, despite the fact that he could catch the spear in billions of others, all those Anos already exist physically and means billions of Anos exists.

 

[ImmortalDread]

If he can affect them, he would have 2-A AP, what are you saying?

Pain, are you arguing without reading people's arguments? I already discussed it there. If you don't mind, please read the whole conv there to get my point.
I only agreed till they showed me the proof that he can affect all infinite timelines at once, and no. It is not AP, since he was doing it through probability manipulation.
Side note, I really recommend you to read what 2A range means in vs battle wiki—range.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Pain, are you arguing without reading people's arguments? I already discussed it there. If you don't mind, please read the whole conv there to get my point.
I only agreed till they showed me the proof that he can affect all infinite timelines at once, and no. It is not AP, since he was doing it through probability manipulation.
Side note, I really recommend you read what 2A range means in vs battle wiki—range.

I think you misunderstand me, are you saying yhwach can affect infinite timelines physically? If that’s what you mean? Then No that’s what I was addressing.

If you meant through his hax to be to see infinite futures and choose one from it, then yes that’s what he does and that’s range I’m talking about

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Nope I am not ignoring it, it does not mean much when you combine it with the actual context,

You are ignoring the point NAFTA almost died and got saved because only one future was remained after anos fight in other words he destroyed infinite futures. Re read the chapter 255.

Yes it is, since it allows her to limit the future to a single one of all the possible futures

She didn't limited to one single event she literally said All Possibilities would be limited don't twist the words

It actually counters it perfectly since if those futures she sees are already existing physically, it would mean all the precog of her fight with Anos she saw in which he could not catch the spear in one despite the fact that he could catch the spear in billions of others, all those Anos already exist physically and means billions of Anos exists.

Anos doesn't exist in future. He is a misfit. LMAO if she can see the future of Anos she would have smoked him where he dies.

 

[Tatsumi504]

@Pain_to12 i understand your point and get where you're coming from but all futures have to exist. What you're suggesting means she is only manipulating probability but what nafta does after Kandaquizorte is explained is straight up reality warping.

As the god of the future she can't affect the past and the past can't be changed. Anos destroys all futures and would've destroyed the world but she limits everything to a future where they had not fought yet. This isn't possible with probability manipulation as she would've had to affect past probabilities for this to happen and no one other than nafta and anos should remember it either.

 

[Tatsumi504]

it means to kill her, you must destroy every future she in which she survives. I.e. there must be no possibility of her existing

How do you destroy a future that doesn't physically exist? You're contradicting yourself here considering no one else at this point can affect possibilities

 

[PrinceofPein]

Anos doesn't exist in future. He is a misfit. LMAO if she can see the future of Anos she would have smoked him where he dies.

Except she literally said, she saw all the futures of her fight with Anos, so how did that happen??

You are ignoring the point NAFTA almost died and got saved because only one future was remained after anos fight in other words he destroyed infinite futures.

And this is BS, he did not destroy any infinite future, I suggest you be the one to read it. He destroyed the domain she created to trap him

@Pain_to12 i understand your point and get where you're coming from but all futures have to exist. What you're suggesting means she is only manipulating probability but what nafta does after Kandaquizorte is explained is straight up reality warping.

As the god of the future she can't affect the past and the past can't be changed. Anos destroys all futures and would've destroyed the world but she limits everything to a future where they had not fought yet. This isn't possible with probability manipulation as she would've had to affect past probabilities for this to happen and no one other than nafta and anos should remember it either.

But if infinite anos does not exist physically how come she can see all the possible futures of her fight with anos? If the futures she sees already exist?

You guys don’t really get the consequences of such claim, this 2-A proof is shaky and wrong as hell.

 

[PrinceofPein]

How do you destroy a future that doesn't physically exist? You're contradicting yourself here considering no one else at this point can affect possibilities

How do you touch someone’s mind?? Its called mind manipulation and destroying a future that has not happened yet is called fate manipulation

 

[Tatsumi504]

Yes it is the future, since it allows her to limit the future to a single one of all the possibl

And all those possible futures exist.

It actually counters it perfectly since if those futures she sees are already existing physically, it would mean all the precog of her fight with Anos she saw in which he could not catch the spear in one of the future, despite the fact that he could catch the spear in billions of others, all those Anos already exist physically and means billions of Anos exists.

Then they exist as Anos says " it's certainly possible that you fail to catch the spear at least once in a billion times"

 

[Tatsumi504]

I think you misunderstand me, are you saying yhwach can affect infinite timelines physically? If that’s what you mean? Then No that’s what I was addressing.

If you meant through his hax to be to see infinite futures and choose one from it, then yes that’s what he does and that’s range I’m talking about

He literally has 2-A fate manipulation as well

 

[PrinceofPein]

Also sorry for the multiple post, but not once did I say NAFTA is creating any future, she sees all possible future and can pick one from it by limiting it to the one she picks, so please stop taking my stuffs out of contexts.

And all those possible futures exist.

Yes they are called “possibilities” for a reason, roll a die, the possibility of you getting a 2 exist but only 1/6 chance. now if you have fate manipulation you can limit that future to just the one in which the die turns the face with 2.
This is a pretty simple concept why are you guys trying to misinterpret it?

Then they exist as Anos says " it's certainly possible that you fail to catch the spear at least once in a billion times"

So you are saying billions of Anos exist?

He literally has 2-A fate manipulation as well

Not AP, it means he has fate manipulation across 2-A range, I’m really not disputing this, I thought he was talking about AP

 

[Tatsumi504]

But if infinite anos does not exist physically how come she can see all the possible futures of her fight with anos? If the futures she sees already exist?

Then they do. Because the story didn't diverge to explore different futures doesn't mean they don't exist

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Except she literally said, she saw all the futures of her fight with Anos, so how did that happen??

Scan

And this is BS, he did not destroy any infinite future, I suggest you be the one to read it. He destroyed the domain she created to trap him

"<Future World Crystal> Kandaquisort is the many futures of this world, and is equal in form to the world. You are now trying to compare what will perish first: the world or yourself. The result is quite obvious."

"Nafta swears. As long as there is a present, the future will rise again and again even if it is destroyed. The only way to destroy the Future World Crystal is to destroy all possibilities."

"So open your divine eyes and restrain it properly. As soon as I release this spell, even in the worst case, the world of Kandaquisort will be destroyed."

In the face of apocalyptic flames, the entire limiting world was reduced to jet-black ash.
The ashes were blown away by the wind, and we were once again in front of the great holy gates, as if reality were hiding behind the ashes.
"Hmm. Taking it seriously after all?"
Nafta, holding the Future World Crystal in her hands, opened her eyes.

Only one crystal remaining

As the goddess controlling the order of the future, she could not allow the world to be deprived of all possibilities.
She must have looked hard into the future in order to limit Extreme Hell Destruction Ash Demon Mortar <Egil Grone Angdroa>.
"In other words, the outcome of the contest is certain."
Nafta nodded silently.
A crack appeared on her body.
"...Nafta swears to be defeated. No matter how much I limit the future, zero will never become one. There is no single future in which you are defeated."
The body of the goddess of the future was covered in countless cracks, and she began to fall apart.
No matter how she tried to limit the future, in her battle with me, there was only one thing waiting for her in the future: perdition.
The end of the future brought the end of Nafta herself.
The gods cannot go against order.
Nafta did not dare to open her eyes because she did not want to know that it would end this way.
"That's why I foretold you in the beginning."
After looking at Nafta with magic eyes tinted in destructive purple, I slowly walked toward her.
I covered her eyes with my hand to cut off the future.
Her body stopped falling apart.

Appeal to ignorance once again
She almost died because there was no future possibilities. One one future possibilities was left which she saved at the last moment. You are at this point completely ignoring everything.

Anos completely destroyed infinite futures possibilities only one left because NAFTA saved that at the end. I am done here.

 

[YoPercy]

@Pain_to12 i understand your point and get where you're coming from but all futures have to exist. What you're suggesting means she is only manipulating probability but what nafta does after Kandaquizorte is explained is straight up reality warping.

As the god of the future she can't affect the past and the past can't be changed. Anos destroys all futures and would've destroyed the world but she limits everything to a future where they had not fought yet. This isn't possible with probability manipulation as she would've had to affect past probabilities for this to happen and no one other than nafta and anos should remember it either.

Chef's kiss explanation

 

[Hajun]

It is to simple to understand nafta picks future not creating it your point is that infinite future doesn't exist physically if they don't Exist then what nafta is picking you are saying it like nafta is the one creating it if nafta is just picking it then that future already have to exist before nafta to pick one from all of the future it is so simple to understand you are just ignoring the point of the op I don't want to be rude if I am rude then iam sorry

 

[PrinceofPein]

Then they do. Because the story didn't diverge to explore different futures doesn't mean they don't exist

Now this is head canon and purposely trying to push agenda

Scan





Appeal to ignorance once again
She almost died because there was no future possibilities. One one future possibilities was left which she saved at the last moment. You are at this point completely ignoring everything.

Anos completely destroyed infinite futures possibilities only one left because NAFTA saved that at the end. I am done here.

Again read

As soon as the crystal sandstorm passed, the landscape changed.
It was a strange city. Every building, every plant, every person was made of crystal.

　Even the mountains in the distance, the canopy in the distance, and the flowing rivers were made of crystal.

　I could feel tremendous magical power from each and every one of them.

Hm. A world made of candiquisorte.

Nafta swears. Nafta swears to you that this world will be limited so that everything will turn out for the worst for you. Your victory will not be chosen in this world.

Interesting. You have to have at least one world to reach me.

　I looked at him calmly and said.

Come on, future. Challenge me.

　At the same time as I said these words, the ground shattered into pieces.

　＜Floating in the air, countless crystal spears flew out of the huge hole.

　　＜Floating in the air with a flying freshet, countless crystal spears flew out of its tremendously huge hole.

　＜I tried to block the hole with my "Four Walls of Beno Even," but the crystal spears easily slipped through it and pierced me.
The next moment, crystal spears appeared from the surrounding buildings.

　Crystal spears also appeared from the canopy above my head, and they shot out from above, below, right, and left all at once.

　One after another, the spears shredded my body. The clock tower in front of me floated in the air as if it had been detached from the building, and its sharply pointed roof plunged down on me.

　Countless crystal spears bound my body, and the clock tower's spear thrust into me with such force that it almost crushed me.

　A large amount of blood dripped from my entire body.

'I haven't bled this much in a long time.

　The crystal crystals around the clock tower and the crystal spear were rusted and crumbled by the Black Demon King's blood.

　All that remained was black rust.

You said it was all going to end badly for me. The worst day of my life is about to hit me.

　Holding up his hand, he drew multiple magic circles.

　I held up my hand and drew multiple magic circles.
You are very powerful, Nafta said. But if you are so powerful, then I have magic I can use too.

　Black particles flowed out of the turret of the magic circle.

Miracles will befall you. I sentence you to despair."

　Once again, countless crystal spears strike me, but as soon as they touch the black particles that surround me, they shatter into pieces.

　Fire, water, lightning, earth, trees, canopies, and everything else attacked me.

　It was like a miracle.

　However, I could not resist everything in the world that was baring its fangs at me.

I borrowed magic power from the tyrannical demon king Anos Voldigord, the creator god Militia, and the destroyer god Averniou, 2,000 years ago through origin magic.

On top of that, I add my own current magical power to it.

It's a forbidden spell that can't be used in any normal place. I myself have only used it twice.

　Jet-black particles swirl like living creatures and entangle the turret of the magic circle.
In the aftermath, the surrounding crystals shatter and break into pieces.

　The world of crystals began to crack and collapse.

He destroyed the domain she created with the crystal which was why her body was cracking not cause of infinite timelines, it was a single domain, just one

 

[PrinceofPein]

It is to simple to understand nafta picks future not creating it your point is that infinite future doesn't exist physically if they don't Exist then what nafta is picking you are saying it like nafta is the one creating it if nafta is just picking it then that future already have to exist before nafta to pick one from all of the future it is so simple to understand you are just ignoring the point of the op I don't want to be rude I am ruder then iam sorry

You are not being rude but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
But from what I can get, let me try and answer you since you are not clear.
Those futures don’t have to exist, the possibility of them have to exist.
Think of it this way, you are standing in front of a road that branches out into 4 different part, the possibility of you taking any of the road is 1/4, but you have the power to limit it that you will take Road A hence making sure that future comes to pass by walking through road A.
Did you create those roads? Nope
You only get to choose cause you have the power to choose the road you take.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He destroyed the domain she created with the crystal which was why her body was cracking not cause of infinite timelines, it was a single domain, just one

To destroy Nafta, you must destroy every future in which she survives.

Chapter 302.

You are at this point making headcanon and ignoring the statements from Novel itself. NAFTA has no means to die because just one possibility getting erased. It's clearly mentioned her domain contains all possibilities.

"<Future World Crystal> Kandaquisort is the many futures of this world, and is equal in form to the world. You are now trying to compare what will perish first: the world or yourself. The result is quite obvious."

@Tatsumi504 i am done man he is just ignoring all things also it's clearly mentioned to destroy Nafta you need to destroy every future she existed. LMAO she almost died and only survived because of one crystal she saved at her hand. If you guys want to keep arguing fine by me.

 

[Dereck03]

He destroyed the domain she created with the crystal which was why her body was cracking not cause of infinite timelines, it was a single domain, just one

Here's a better translation tho.. From Null's blog

Spoiler

"<Future World Crystal> Kandaquisort is the many futures of this world, and is equal in form to the world. You are now trying to compare what will perish first: the world or yourself. The result is quite obvious." "Sure, that's reasonable." The crystal tip fell apart. "My blood corrodes the world itself." Kandaquisort turned into pitch black rust, shattered into tiny pieces, and dissipated. The Demon King's blood can only be used against extremely powerful attacks. If they are not strong enough to contain its destructiveness, it would inflict irreparable damage on this world. "As you might expect from a goddess who commands the future, you're quite strong. But it's about time you started fighting to the fullest. If you don't start looking into the future with the utmost seriousness, you could perish here." I walked toward Nafta without stopping. In the meantime, the rusted and dissipated Kandaquisort turned into countless brightly shining crystal shards. "Nafta swears. As long as there is a present, the future will rise again and again even if it is destroyed. The only way to destroy the Future World Crystal is to destroy all possibilities." The number of crystal shards increased rapidly, enveloping the place like a shining sandstorm. "This could be another form of the world. Condemned, you are sentenced to a limiting world." As the crystal sandstorm dissipated, the landscape around us changed. We were in a strange city. All the buildings, vegetation, and inhabitants were made of crystal. The mountains visible in the distance, the heavenly canopy, and even the flowing rivers were crystal. And from all this I felt unimaginable magical power. "A world created by Kandaquisort, then?" The divine domain of the goddess of the future. "Nafta swears. This world limits everything to lead to the worst consequences for you. In this world, your victory is unattainable." "Interesting. If you don't prepare the world, it won't reach me." I looked at her nonchalantly and said. "Well, future, try to challenge me." As soon as I said that, the surface of the earth shattered into pieces. The moment I flew into the sky with <Fless>, countless crystal spears flew out of the colossal hole in the ground. I tried to cover the hole with <Beno Yeven>, but the crystal spears easily passed through it and stabbed into me. In the next instant, the crystal spears suddenly appeared from the buildings around me. They also appeared from the heavenly canopy above my head, and they all rushed at me at once from all sides. As the spears plunged one by one into my body, the clock tower in front of me soared into the sky, as if it had lifted itself off the ground, hurtling toward me with its pointed roof. Countless crystal spears immobilized me, and this clock tower spear plunged into me with crushing power. Streams of blood poured from my entire body. "I haven't bled so much in a long time." The demon king's black blood made the clock tower, the crystal spears, and all the crystal in the surrounding area rust and fall apart. All that was left was black rust. "You said that everything would lead to the worst consequences for me. That you would bring down on me the worst day of my life." I put my hand out and drew a multi-layered magic circle. The layers were overlapping each other in the shape of a gun turret and I pointed it at Nafta. "I didn't expect your power to be so terrifying. But since you're strong, I can use that one magic I have." Black particles poured out of the magic circle in the shape of a turret. "A universal miracle will come upon you. I sentence you to despair." Again countless crystal spears flew at me. But they shattered as soon as they touched the black particles gathered around. Every possible thing came crashing down on me: fire, water, lightning, earth, trees, and the heavenly canopy. It was like a miracle. But I wouldn't let anything in this world that was aggressive toward me get close to me. "With this Origin Magic, I borrowed magic power from the Demon King of Tyranny Anos Voldigoad of two thousand years past, the goddess of creation Militia, and the goddess of destruction Aberneyu." And to top it all off, I added the magic power of my present self to the magic. "It's a forbidden spell that can't be used in a normal place. Even I've only used it twice." The jet-black particles swirled and coiled around the gun turret-shaped magic circle like a living creature. From their mere influence, the crystals around it rapidly shattered into pieces and crumbled into tiny particles. Nafta's divine domain began to crack and crumble. "So open your divine eyes and restrain it properly. As soon as I release this spell, even in the worst case, the world of Kandaquisort will be destroyed." I said to the goddess of the future, who looked at me stunned and without words. "If you can't limit it, the real world will turn to ash along with it." The black particles form a seven-layer spiral around the gun turret. A bottomless crack formed in the surface of the earth. It literally split the limiting world in half. "<Egil Grone Angdroa>." Apocalyptic flames erupted from the gun turret-shaped magic circle. The seven-layered spiral of jet-black flames rumbled and rushed forward. The apocalyptic flames of the world passed through Nafta. It must have been the blessing of Kandaquisort. It reached beyond the horizon, and then everything in the world went up in flames. The heavenly canopy, the horizon, the earth and mountains, all things burned and turned to black ash. The reason why this magic, superior to <Jio Graze>, wasn't positioned as the highest level of fire attribute magic, was because there were no other users except me, and that it only had the form of a flame, but was actually a completely different thing. It burns what should not be burned, destroys what should not be destroyed, and reduces the entire universe to ashes. This spell was truly magic of destruction. The very type of magic I was best at. In the face of apocalyptic flames, the entire limiting world was reduced to jet-black ash. The ashes were blown away by the wind, and we were once again in front of the great holy gates, as if reality were hiding behind the ashes. "Hmm. Taking it seriously after all?" Nafta, holding the Future World Crystal in her hands, opened her eyes. As the goddess controlling the order of the future, she could not allow the world to be deprived of all possibilities. She must have looked hard into the future in order to limit Extreme Hell Destruction Ash Demon Mortar <Egil Grone Angdroa>. "In other words, the outcome of the contest is certain." Nafta nodded silently. A crack appeared on her body. "...Nafta swears to be defeated. No matter how much I limit the future, zero will never become one. There is no single future in which you are defeated." The body of the goddess of the future was covered in countless cracks, and she began to fall apart. No matter how she tried to limit the future, in her battle with me, there was only one thing waiting for her in the future: perdition. The end of the future brought the end of Nafta herself. The gods cannot go against order. Nafta did not dare to open her eyes because she did not want to know that it would end this way. "That's why I foretold you in the beginning." After looking at Nafta with magic eyes tinted in destructive purple, I slowly walked toward her. I covered her eyes with my hand to cut off the future. Her body stopped falling apart. "No matter how many hundreds of millions of miracles you try to unleash on me at once, you will never reach my worst."	„
	~ WN Chapter 255

Anos Voldigoad was fighting the God of the Future, who controls the Order of the Future. The Order of the Future is the order that governs the future. The <Future World Crystal> Kandaquisort is the many futures of the world, and is equal in form to the world. The only way to destroy the Future World Crystal is to destroy all possible futures. Anos' world-destroying magic <Egil Grone Angdroa> destroyed the Future World Crystal and would have destroyed the world if Nafta and Anos did not limit and extinguish it.

あまねく - amaneku - Translations: widely; extensively; generally; universally; far and wide; everywhere; all around
天地 - tenchi - Translations: heaven and earth; the universe; nature; top and bottom; realm; sphere; world

あまねく天地 - amaneku tenchi - Translations: entire universe

It is specifically stated that <Egil Grone Angdroa> burns what should not be burned, destroys what should not be destroyed, and reduces the entire universe to ashes.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Chapter 302.

You are at this point making headcanon and ignoring the statements from Novel itself. NAFTA has no means to die because just one possibility getting erased. It's clearly mentioned her domain contains all possibilities.

No this does not mean those timelines already exist physically, like how hard is it for you to get that?? You must destroy all possibilities of her surviving does not mean
There are infinite timelines in which I exist and killing me here, I can just switch with another nafta from another timeline

@Tatsumi504 i am done man he is just ignoring all things also it's clearly mentioned to destroy Nafta you need to destroy every future she existed. LMAO she almost died and only survived because of one crystal she saved at her hand. If you guys want to keep arguing fine by me.

It’s not my fault you could not comprehend that and misinterpreted it

 

[Dog3352]

I already got lost in this CRT, if the world of NAFTA has possibilities that physically exist, then isn't it 2-A? Or is it not 2-A if the possibilities don't physically exist?

 

[Tatsumi504]

He destroyed the domain she created with the crystal which was why her body was cracking not cause of infinite timelines, it was a single domain, just one

Her body was cracking cause she was exerting herself to limit the destruction.
Right when Anos fires off EGA it goes through where nafta was floating but doesn't affect her because she limits what happened.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Anos Voldigoad was fighting the God of the Future, who controls the Order of the Future. The Order of the Future is the order that governs the future. The <Future World Crystal> Kandaquisort is the many futures of the world, and is equal in form to the world. The only way to destroy the Future World Crystal is to destroy all possible futures. Anos' world-destroying magic <Egil Grone Angdroa> destroyed the Future World Crystal and would have destroyed the world if Nafta and Anos did not limit and extinguish it.

Lovely is it not? Which is exactly what I have been saying.
Anyway where is null I want to hear what he thinks now.

 

[wwereymy235]

Lovely is it not? Which is exactly what I have been saying.
Anyway where is null I want to hear what he thinks now.

He’s gone

 

[Hajun]

You are not being rude but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
But from what I can get, let me try and answer you since you are not clear.
Those futures don’t have to exist, the possibility of them have to exist.
Think of it this way, you are standing in front of a road that branches out into 4 different part, the possibility of you taking any of the road is 1/4, but you have the power to limit it that you will take Road A hence making sure that future comes to pass by walking through road A.
Did you create those roads? Nope
You only get to choose cause you have the power to choose the road you take.

You are ignoring again

 

[Dereck03]

Lovely is it not? Which is exactly what I have been saying.

Kandaquisort are all the futures of the world, which in turn are equal to the world itself. And if you want to destroy it, you have to destroy all possibilities, which here refers to all futures.

Anyway where is null I want to hear what he thinks now.

Who knows, i've contacted him 2 days ago or 3? But not answer

 

[Dereck03]

Not to mention the fact that the Nafta sanctuary is only a microcosm of the militia world and all futures are equal to the world's shape meaning all the futures are the same as a world = universe.

 

[Dog3352]

Lovely is it not? Which is exactly what I have been saying.
Anyway where is null I want to hear what he thinks now.

Are you talking about the fact that you need to destroy all possibilities to destroy the world of Nafta?

 

[Tatsumi504]

LMAO she almost died and only survived because of one crystal she saved at her hand.

She doesn't save anything.

Further proof, whenever anything is done through possibilities (Anos and graham and celis abusing venejiara) they only exist as possibilities a.k.a abstract existences. They don't magically reform because of possibility, in the event they do, they come back as only possibilities yet everything nafta limits the world to physically exists.

If nafta survives because there's a possibility she wasn't destroyed then she should come back as only a possibility (abstract existence) but she is still a full fledged being that can be interested with normally.

 

[Tatsumi504]

@Pain_to12 the possiblities exist.

1. The future and the past cannot be changed.
2. You are essentially saying nafta changed the past at the end of her bout with Anos which is impossible.
3. Everything brought about through possibilities always exist as possibilities (abstract existence) but the world NAFTA limits them to after EGA was used is physically real and can be interested with normally.

In conclusion the infinite futures exist. Because the story didn't diverge to explore the infinite versions of a character doesn't mean it isn't real. The burden of proof is on you to prove they don't exist.

Read a few more chapters and you'll get to the world of trades where records of everything is immortalized as a trace including the trace of Anos destroying all futures

 

[PrinceofPein]

Kandaquisort are all the futures of the world, which in turn are equal to the world itself. And if you want to destroy it, you have to destroy all possibilities, which here refers to all futures.

Yes, this is pretty accurate, what the argument is, which would qualify for 2-A in this sense is of those futures are already physically existing as a separate timeline, which is what my contention is.

Who knows, i've contacted him 2 days ago or 3? But not answer

Oh alright

Further proof, whenever anything is done through possibilities (Anos and graham and celis abusing venejiara) they only exist as possibilities a.k.a abstract existences. They don't magically reform because of possibility, in the event they do, they come back as only possibilities yet everything nafta limits the world to physically exists.

If nafta survives because there's a possibility she wasn't destroyed then she should come back as only a possibility (abstract existence) but she is still a full fledged being that can be interested with normally.

Now this is taking this thing out of context again, the only way she dies is if there is no possibility of her surviving, e.g. if she was about to be killed and there is a possibility that a meteor would fall from the sky to kill whoever that is about to kill her, and she survives. then that’s what happens.
Not that she will exist as that possibility, at this point this is just agenda

@Pain_to12 the possiblities exist.

1. The future and the past cannot be changed.

Never said they can be, the future can be tho, I mean in her future anos was impaled and rob of all possibility of surviving but he survived.

1. You are essentially saying nafta changed the past at the end of her bout with Anos which is impossible.

Never said this or implied it

1. Everything brought about through possibilities always exist as possibilities (abstract existence) but the world NAFTA limits them to after EGA was used is physically real and can be interested with normally.

This is another way of you misinterpreting everything
She sees all possible futures and limit it to one. Nothing more

In conclusion the infinite futures exist. Because the story didn't diverge to explore the infinite versions of a character doesn't mean it isn't real. The burden of proof is on you to prove they don't exist.

There is no burden of proof here on me it’s you. In fact if those infinite version of anos exist, then how come anos could destroy the worlds they live in? Huh a single anos is more powerful than infinite of himself??.
Like bro common at this point I’m getting tired

Read a few more chapters and you'll get to the world of trades where records of everything is immortalized as a trace including the trace of Anos destroying all futures

Oh I am still reading


About to go to work now tho

 

[Dereck03]

Yes, this is pretty accurate, what the argument is, which would qualify for 2-A in this sense is of those futures are already physically existing as a separate timeline, which is what my contention is.

Not to mention the fact that the Nafta sanctuary is only a microcosm of the militia world and all futures are equal to the world's shape meaning all the futures are the same as a world = universe.

Well, that it makes an explicit reference to Kandaquisort being all the futures and that these in turn are the shape of the world (in this case the world of militia which is 4-D) and it is said that each future is equal to the world itself would be proof enough.

 

[Dereck03]

Oh I am still reading

Well, on Null's blog there is another translation of the Land of Traces, so when you get to that part, you can see the precise translation and explanation.

About to go to work now tho

Good Luck.