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Very in-character. It's a starting tactic.How in-character is it for the guy to increase his body heat as such?
What is does level of heat resistance look like?That would be well beyond Smaug's ability to deal with, since his sole forms of combat are physical attack (which would harm him a lot) and fire (irrelevant).
I may be misremembering, but it doesn't stay like that forever, right? Like, he can't passively stay on fire all the time.Very in-character. It's a starting tactic.
Not in his base, although simply flapping his wings produces extreme heat, flames, and explosions.I may be misremembering, but it doesn't stay like that forever, right? Like, he can't passively stay on fire all the time.
I agree he probably would, he has a lot going on. The 10k degrees thing just makes it basically moot to discuss.Idk if PM will get swapped, but for now I'll give my two cents.
The scenario is almost a replica of PM's battle in opm.
Iirc Smaug doesn't really have a standard tactic, and given the situation I think he'd just try to erase the cosplayer with a fire breath at first, also given the distance.
When confronted by a direct beam attacks, PW replied with his own gust of flames, but if he attempts this as a counter he'd likely have his attack overwhelmed by Smaug's stronger and bigger fire. PM doesn't have fire resistance, but he can instantly change to his prominence mode, which constantly covered in fire and can withstand the bonkers heat mentioned above, so he's likely to take the force but not get really burned.
Still, he can always try to dodge. And in fact, here lies his strength. In the manga he had to almost immediately battle a giant robot, which was much smaller than Smaug, but I can see him employng the same tactic.
PM basically flew away and dodged several sword strikes in mid air, then changed into his superior speed move and proceeded to fly around the robot and slash it from various angles.
I can see DW trying to do the same to Smaug, with the advantage of being in an open area instead of an underground chamber like in the manga. Smaug might have some troubles hitting such a small, fast and agile character, but at the same time he is quite durable and his size might make it more difficult for PM, to land very effective its, even though long albeit small cuts all over the body are still wounds.
PM can also shoot homing blasts, so we might have a "planes vs king kong situation".
We might have to consider that PM might notice Smaug's belly and tell that the jewels work as a protection and try to destroy them, although thinking of it as a weak spot might not be an immediate assumption.
And now we arrive at the fuckton degrees thing, which he pulled off when the giant robot tried to crush him with a fist.
Given his LS, Delusional Man might even be able to catch or resist a physical strike from Smaug and then try to melt him, which would be quite effective regardless of his size. PM could also turn into a penguin and drop a giant icicle on Smaug which, albeit possibly not that effective, is still something.
Overall, I (sadly) think PM might win even aside from the 10k degrees thing.
Y | This calm Pokémon lived in a cold land where there were no violent predators like Tyrantrum. |
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Ultra Sun | It lived in cold areas in ancient times. It's said that when Amaura whinnies, auroras appear in the night sky. |
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Ultra Moon | Amaura was restored successfully, but it's not expected to live long because of the heat of the current environment. |
Sword | This Pokémon was successfully restored from a fossil. In the past, it lived with others of its kind in cold lands where there were fewer predators. |
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So, what do we count this as? AFAIK, the most fitting candidates seem like:Speed Equalized, fight takes place outside a parking lotif smaug can even fit in one.
Technically, its Ice/Rock type so it takes neutral damage from Fire-type moves.I think Amaura wouldn't make it in time to employ any particular tactic before getting roasted.
It's natural weakness to heat can't be ignored and Smaug's body heat alone can melt metal (even if overtime, is still notable) so we can assume his fire to be at least as hot if not more.
Isn't that AP analysis between Smaug & Phoenix Man, not Smaug & Amaura?Smaug is also about 3.5x stronger (1.45 vs 5.17), is much larger, his fire covers a great distance and it is quite in character for him to start and use it.
This is a case of lore bypassing typing honestly, since it's specifically Amaura's weakness. And while he wouldn't of course die immediately from environmental heat, it still is susceptible to heat, and fire is just the same enhanced to a million (hyperbole)Technically, its Ice/Rock type so it takes neutral damage from Fire-type moves.
& we don't know just how severely Alola's hot climate apparently hinders it. It could be a few years off a relatively long lifespan, or illnesses or such that may not come up in a combat-relevant timeframe.
While the gold under Smaug's belly melted overtime, it still was exposed to a temperature high enough to trigger the process. And this was through his natural body heat, not even the fiery breath.Also, just how long does Smaug take to melt metal? Could he win the temperature war vs Ice-type moves?
in game hail and snow don't lower the power of fire moves like rain does, and by irl logic hail and snow are totally ineffective even on normal fire, in terms of environmental temperature.Also, Smaug would be doing this in a colder environment than typical. due to Hail/Snow.
Pkmns also scale to that value.Isn't that AP analysis between Smaug & Phoenix Man, not Smaug & Amaura?
Also, Aurora Veil would halve the damage taken by Amaura. (At least, temporarily.)
& he's nothing like a cold-blooded reptile, which become sluggish in cold?I don't believe Smaug is negatively affected by a colder environment (at least, there's no intel that he's particularly bothered by snow). Normal ice would be fairly quickly destroyed by steel-melting flame of any caliber.
I'm unsure. Been a while since the last discussion of Pokemon range, & I'm unsure what we scale Amaura to.Which moves of the Pokemon afford 10km range? Depending on what they are, Smaug would probably just play ranged, since its actually an option here and is entirely in-character.
That does seem plausible since it's at least implied it's negatively affected by Alola's hot weather.This is a case of lore bypassing typing honestly, since it's specifically Amaura's weakness. And while he wouldn't of course die immediately from environmental heat, it still is susceptible to heat, and fire is just the same enhanced to a million (hyperbole)
If any freezing would be sufficient, why say Blizzard spam would be required? Just because range & AP?About the temperature war, it pretty much depends on how we handle pkmn's, because technically the classic "freezing a character whole" requires insane temperatures.
But honestly Amaura would have to start with Blizzard and just spam it, but Smaug's breath is still bigger and stronger.
I went over Amaura's moves & Pokedex entries in my 1st post in this thread.Pkmns also scale to that value.
Aurora Veil must be set up, and while useful, it could cost Amaura some free damage or not be its starting move.
Ultra Sun | It lived in cold areas in ancient times. It's said that when Amaura whinnies, auroras appear in the night sky. |
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It'd be even more fitting to lead with Aurora Veil since Hail/Snow would've just started.Nonetheless, if Amaura is most known for summoning Auroras when whinnying, then it seems plausible it'd go for Aurora moves.
We are talking about a giant dragon whose average body heat is enough to melt metal.& he's nothing like a cold-blooded reptile, which become sluggish in cold?
Honestly Pokemon moves should have different range, since they are pretty much like spells. Just because they can change the weather with some, it doesn't mean they can shoot fireballs or chuck rocks across the same distance.I'm unsure. Been a while since the last discussion of Pokemon range, & I'm unsure what we scale Amaura to.
The range might be based on weather manipulation. (Although, Amaura gets Icy Wind, Powder Snow, & Blizzard so it gets very weather-like moves.)
Also, technically, Amaura has some kind of levitation, due to getting Magnet Rise as an Egg Move, absurd as that might sound.
It likes to fly and breath fire on its victims, he's done it a couple times in the past and was about to do it at the end of The Hobbit.Is Smaug normally the type to put distance between himself & a foe?
I forgot powder snow also does that, and that he learns ice beam. But yeah, technically the cold of those might trump that, although iirc it's beyond calculable heat. Still, Smaug's fire would probably be much, much bigger anyway and would for sure have at least 3.5x impact force behind.If any freezing would be sufficient, why say Blizzard spam would be required? Just because range & AP?
Also, what of range shape? Powder Snow, Icy Wind, etc. might not be exactly cone-shaped.
I'm not sure that triggering normal aurora is the same as an aurora veil, but even then, the move itself would still require that brif time of setup, while Smaug most likely breath fire the moment the battle starts.I went over Amaura's moves & Pokedex entries in my 1st post in this thread.
Ultra Sun It lived in cold areas in ancient times. It's said that when Amaura whinnies, auroras appear in the night sky.
It'd be even more fitting to lead with Aurora Veil since Hail/Snow would've just started.
Producing fire, in theory, often requires some form of combustion. (& Smaug's internal temperature is probably hotter than his already high external temperature.)We are talking about a giant dragon whose average body heat is enough to melt metal.
....I mean, I listed all the Ice-type moves & potential Ice-type moves Amaura can learn in my first reply to this thread, even with their descriptions & such.It likes to fly and breath fire on its victims, he's done it a couple times in the past and was about to do it at the end of The Hobbit.
I forgot powder snow also does that, and that he learns ice beam.
In theory, Mirror Coat could be powerful....But yeah, technically the cold of those might trump that, although iirc it's beyond calculable heat. Still, Smaug's fire would probably be much, much bigger anyway and would for sure have at least 3.5x impact force behind.
I mean, if they both open with it, which happens first? The Aurora Veil going up or the cone/pillar of fire reaching Amaura?I'm not sure that triggering normal aurora is the same as an aurora veil, but even then, the move itself would still require that brif time of setup, while Smaug most likely breath fire the moment the battle starts.
I'm not sure if we make this distinction but Smaug's fire would definitely count as "Special", rather than Physical.Hail damages combatants that are not Ice-type. Before Gen 5, Hail lasted indefinitely. As of Gen 5, it lasted 5 turns.
As of Gen 9, Hail is replaced by Snow, which, instead of dealing damage, increases the Defense of Ice-types by 50%.
While Smaug would probably take damage from this (If something like Magcargo can, body heat isn't a factor), he could coat himself in flames to remove it, that does work in Pokemon itself.So how does Snow Warning work here?
For that matter, Pokemon Legends: Arceus has the Freeze status replaced with Frostbite. Quote Bulbapedia:
"Frostbite inflicts damage equal to 1/16 of the target's maximum HP every turn, and it reduces damage dealt by its special moves during this time. When it is snowing, moves that may inflict frostbite are more likely to do so. Ice-type Pokémon cannot get frostbite."
What about that?
This is a wild Amaura so don't think it'd have thatNonetheless, if Amaura is most known for summoning Auroras when whinnying, then it seems plausible it'd go for Aurora moves.
Absurdly, it only gets Aurora Veil by breeding, but still, it seems IC.
Aurora Veil halves physical & special damage the user & its allies receive for 5 turns, but can only be initiated during Hail/Snow.
That is handy but it can't exist at the same time as Frostbite.Oh, & it gets Electric-type moves, presumably because aurora borealis electricity science stuff:
Thunder Wave: "The user launches a weak jolt of electricity that paralyzes the target." (This is a level-up move for Amaura, surprisingly.)
It's in the OP, pretty rough gap for it to overcome.Anyone know the AP situation for Amaura?
Good point.While Smaug would probably take damage from this (If something like Magcargo can, body heat isn't a factor), he could coat himself in flames to remove it, that does work in Pokemon itself.
Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire demonstrated Wild Pokemon can be found which know Egg Moves.This is a wild Amaura so don't think it'd have that
Basis?That is handy but it can't exist at the same time as Frostbite.
Is Smaug's fire, like, triangle-shaped in area of effect?I can't see Amaura taking this, to be honest. Something like Paralysis can delay Smaug a lot but ultimately he has way too much AOE for Amaura to avoid at all, and he can just kinda keep shooting fire and win. Even if some stray attacks land I don't see Amaura being able to finish him off before it dies.
The mechanics of the game? You can't apply two statuses at once.Basis?
Magnet Rise takes a turn and probably doesn't afford too much mobility, Smaug's wiping out city blocks with his fire, I just don't see Amaura dodging that.In theory, Speed drops from something like Icy Wind (Or, as you said, Paralysis.) &/or damage halving via Aurora Veil might help.
Also, you say "stray attacks" but its Ice-type moves are likely wide range themselves when considering stuff like Icy Wind, Powder Snow, Blizzard (To say nothing of Discharge.), & Smaug isn't exactly a small target. (& if you say flight again, I say Magnet Rise again.)
It's not "regular" frostbite, it's a DoT status effect to basically everything that's not straight-up ice element-related. Even Pokémon that do live in very cold environments and/or have abilities that straight-up reduce ice damage. The snow wouldn't have any effect on Smaug though, it just boosts Amaura's defense.As far as I am aware, dragons often reside in the colder mountain regions of Middle Earth (including Smaug, and though I don't recall anything about the Misty Mountains specifically having frozen tips, that has been the case in some presentations).
I seriously doubt that the presence of snow is going to be a significant consideration as a result. Even if he were akin to typical lizards, I doubt it would have such a profound and immediate effect to be in snowy weather.
I'm vaguely aware of Pokemon abilities, Imaginym just seemed to be still arguing the point that it being cold weather in general would negatively impact Smaug aside from game mechanics, and I don't think that's the case.It's not "regular" frostbite, it's a DoT status effect to basically everything that's not straight-up ice element-related. Even Pokémon that do live in very cold environments and/or have abilities that straight-up reduce ice damage. The snow wouldn't have any effect on Smaug though, it just boosts Amaura's defense.
I feel I should clarify that I'm currently of the opinion that cold weather wouldn't significantly impact Smaug, thanks to the recent debate.I'm vaguely aware of Pokemon abilities, Imaginym just seemed to be still arguing the point that it being cold weather in general would negatively impact Smaug aside from game mechanics, and I don't think that's the case.
I don't think just having body liquids would work, otherwise it would be super effective on all organic Pokemon.I wonder how impactful Freeze-Dry would be. Does Smaug even have any internal liquids that aren't boiling?
I was referring more to the moment of set up that it takes, leaving Amaura vulnerable to the first breath attack. While damage would be reduced, it's still free damage.I mean, if they both open with it, which happens first? The Aurora Veil going up or the cone/pillar of fire reaching Amaura?
& if it happens AFTER the first fire breath, some damage being halved is better than none of it being halved. (Also, Amaura gets Light Screen by Level Up, which would serve a similar purpose herehere
Eh, Icy Wind Speed Drops could let it outpace Smaug, in theory, & Mirror Coat could do a ton of damage to Smaug.Might be a good idea to start voting Smaug, Amarura doesn't have any wincons here, just status cheese and that's inconsistent at best.
Likewise.Yeah, I don't think Amaura is really helpless, I just believe its chances are very little.
Anyway, I don't know if it was counter or not, but I vote Smaug.