Low 7-B Tournament Round 3, Match 2 Hyper Metal Sonic vs Kamen Rider Kuuga

[IxaSaga2]

@IxaSaga2


Chief you messed up my name real hard

Sorry

 

[Zencha9]

yea i'm gonna vote for kuuga due to ixa's reasons

 

[ElixirBlue]

Since Kuuga in his other forms resists explosions already, titan has much higher explosion res.

Er, this form of resistance doesn’t exist in Vs debates. We have been over this on the thread. Explosions are Force, like Punching and Kicking.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Then why we listed explosion as resistance as well? Example servant pyshiology had this resistance

But that doesn't matter if we ignoring the explosion resistance, Titan Form (and it's Rising Titan) are durable as f*** so the explosion from HMS would'nt do much

 

[ElixirBlue]

Then why we listed explosion as resistance as well? Example servant pyshiology had this resistance

Idk, but the example they gave, “normal humans”, would die anyways if a grenade or TNT exploded around them or in them.

But that doesn't matter, Titan Form (and it's Rising Titan) are durable as f*** so the explosion from HMS would'nf do much

Metal is durable as f*** too, tanking an explosion greater than Kuuga’s calc and can even increase his Durability higher with Bubble Shield, which should have a significant increase in Durability to protect Metal’s greater durability calc than Kuuga’s.

So, Base Kuuga < Titan Form

Base Metal 2x higher than Kuuga’s Base < Bubble Shield

Regarding the Bubble, does that last forever or does it have a time limit? If it goes away for some time, Kuuga can take advantage of the down time (with senses of course). If it lasts forever, Kuuga has to hit it continuously.

Unknown. Metal can continually produce it but the OVA never showed a time limit for it.

For mobility, Rising Dragon will be enough to maneuver around. He has been shown to leap from skyscraper to skyscraper easily in BoS Base Dragon. Rising Dragon heavily upscales from that because he had multiple evolutions by EoS.

BoS Base Dragon's mobility:

For contrast, Sonic can also jump around like that (Acrobatics) and has his own version of flight, but Metal’s Flight ultimately attack Sonic from where he couldn’t reach.

100x his other forms/1000x normal humans + Extrasensory Perception.

Metal does have his own Extrasensory Prerception to observe Kuuga from a distance

Enhanced Sense to observe Kuuga from a distance combine with Info Analysis

Also, Gouram has been ignore this entire fight but that's my fault since I didn't explain it fully. Gouram is a mechanical stage beetle that flies around and helps Kuuga (Instinctively). It is equal to Kuuga's own AP (durability is higher than Kuuga's but yet again it is unqualifiable). It can recreate it's own armor so that it's never out of the fight. It can attack/defend for Kuuga while Kuuga does his own thing.

That’s fair. I guess it helps Gouram that Metal can get distracted between him and multiple opponents.

 

[IxaSaga2]

Metal is durable as f*** too, tanking an explosion greater than Kuuga’s calc and can even increase his Durability higher with Bubble Shield, which should have a significant increase in Durability to protect Metal’s greater durability calc than Kuuga’s.

The problem is stacking his RPL + Regen on top of his durability.

For contrast, Sonic can also jump around like that (Acrobatics) and has his own version of flight, but Metal’s Flight ultimately attack Sonic from where he couldn’t reach.

I'm saying that Kuuga can keep up with HMS with his own acrobatics. Flight won't matter in this fight, it's located on a mountain where flight might even be a disadvantage because of all the gaps and crevices that Kuuga can sneak into (Granted that HMS can probably destroy it but that also works in Kuuga's favor as that can be used as bait because he won't be able to analyze Kuuga if he's out of sight) and open space if he's in the air. Pegasus can reliably shoot down people that fly as seen in James's examples.

Metal does have his own Extrasensory Prerception to observe Kuuga from a distance

Hmm, I don't see that in the profile.

That’s fair. I guess it helps Gouram that Metal can get distracted between him and multiple opponents.

Then this can a be a win-con for Kuuga.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Hmm, I don't see that in the profile.

Sneaky. But neither is your amps in stats but we are still debating as if they are in play.

Flight won't matter in this fight, it's located on a mountain where flight might even be a disadvantage because of all the gaps and crevices that Kuuga can sneak into

Information Analysis, had Metal located underground lava streams.

The problem is stacking his RPL + Regen on top of his durability

How good is that Regen? Sonic has it too but Metal was still whooping his butt

 

[IxaSaga2]

Sneaky. But neither is your amps in stats but we are still debating as if they are in play.

I got the scans and hard evidence that proved it tho. And in Kuuga's Rising profile it states, "All previous abilities enhanced plus Statistics Amplification "

Information Analysis, had Metal located underground lava streams.

Fair enough, although Kuuga would be hard to locate because he is smaller than a whole lava stream.

How good is that Regen? Sonic has it too but Metal was still whooping his butt

High-Low: Injuries that would take at least a month to heal takes three hours for him. For example, he was impaled by a spear but regened it pretty quickly.

 

[Lonkitt]

Kuuga FRA

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I guess the vote is tie now (Kuuga: 4, HMS: 4, Incon: 0)

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I guess the vote is tie now (Kuuga: 4, HMS: 4, Incon: 0)

@BERRIES555 @IxaSaga2 @Jamesthetaker @Nicetoderp @MagiSinbad Do you guys still not voting yet?

 

[BERRIES555]

I thought I already voted for Kuuga, if not, then I’m now voting for him

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I thought I already voted for Kuuga, if not, then I’m now voting for him

You did? My bad then

Current vote: Kuuga: 5 | HMS: 4 | Incon: 0

 

[Metal Batta]

Kuuga FRA

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Kuuga: 6 | HMS: 4 | Incon: 0

 

[MagiSinbad]

@MagiSinbad Do you guys still not voting yet?

eh, as a supporter, i prefer to make the opponent feel convinced enough to vote for the character i support tbh.
but i guess i can vote for Kuuga since i cant support him very much this time.
Kuuga for Ixa's reason.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

I'm taking a break from Kamen Rider matches so i will vote neither for time being. The least i could do is giving argument for Kamen Rider side and clear out misconception.

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Metal Sonic FRA.

 

[IxaSaga2]

I vote Kuuga now since my points aren't countered yet. Metal Sonic's one win-con just got way harder while Kuuga's win-con is way more reliable especially with the addition of Gouram.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

And with that we entered grace period

 

[ElixirBlue]

I got the scans and hard evidence that proved it tho

Um, so do I. I showed a Gif of Metal’s enhance senses and it’s just as valuable as your scans. Wha?

"All previous abilities enhanced plus Statistics Amplification "

Yes, but without further context, if we are following the profile, doesn’t make Kuuga above Metal’s Bubble durability.

Point countered, or rather, it’s the same argument I’ve been making that hasn’t been countered.

although Kuuga would be hard to locate because he is smaller than a whole lava stream.

But, Metal located Sonic while Metal was underground and he is smaller than Kuuga.

Point countered.

Injuries that would take at least a month to heal takes three hours for him.

Ok. Sonic might have (Low) Regen but he heals under 10 minutes, yet still gets beaten up by Metal.

Point countered.

 

[Lonkitt]

Ehhh, the bubble argument isn't really countered. At worst, it's neutral. As for the regen thing, using Sonic who has a regen that slow as an example isn't supporting your point compared to Kuuga's which is much faster. That's not countering anything

 

[Lonkitt]

Another thing to keep in mind is that Sonic's injuries that he could regenerate from weren't quite as intense as the one's Kuuga's regenerated and recovered from

 

[ElixirBlue]

bubble argument isn't really countered. At worst, it's neutral.

The Titan Form, as of this moment, is unquantifiable above Kuuga’s durability. The Bubble Shield is unquantifiable above Metal’s durability.

From how I’m understanding, Ixa and I have been discussing the Durability increase from both. Going by their base calcs, Metal is superior in the amps.

As for the regen thing, using Sonic who has a regen that slow as an example isn't supporting your point.

Another thing to keep in mind is that Sonic's injuries that he could regenerate from weren't quite as intense as the one's Kuuga's recovered from

Injuries that would take at least a month to heal takes three hours for him.

The amount of injures, or rather, how severe they are, doesn’t matter. Metal isn’t giving Kuuga 3 months to heal. What Sonic was healing from with struggling to move, and yet became active again at top speed in a manner of minutes.

 

[Lonkitt]

The amount of injures, or rather, how severe they are, doesn’t matter. Metal isn’t giving Kuuga 3 months to heal. What Sonic was healing from with struggling to move, and yet became active again at top speed in a manner of minutes.

You're reading this incorrectly. Its saying that an injury that would take a month (bare minimum) to recover from would take three hours for Kuuga. If Kuuga were to say, take the same kind of injuries Sonic took in his fights that he regenerated from in the OVA, Kuuga would regenerate from those quite fast, faster in fact

 

[ElixirBlue]

You're reading this incorrectly. Its saying that an injury that would take a month (bare minimum) to recover from would take three hours for Kuuga. If Kuuga were to say, take the same kind of injuries Sonic took in his fights that he regenerated from in the OVA, Kuuga would regenerate from those quite fast, faster in fact

Hm, I did read that wrong. Does Kuuga have any fast Regen feats compare to Sonic?

 

[Lonkitt]

Actually to give you a full picture, injuries that would take five months to recover from would only take three hours for Kuuga. Injuries that would put somebody in a hospital bed for nearly half a year can be dealt with in three hours, so imagine how fast lesser injuries could go away.

 

[Oleggator]

And with that we entered grace period

Actually for grace period, the difference must be like 4 votes, there's difference in 2/1 votes.
Plus there's still debate and grace period was specifically created in case so there was time for someone to come and continue debate.

 

[Lonkitt]

Actually for grace period, the difference must be like 4 votes, there's difference in 2/1 votes.
Plus there's still debate and grace period was specifically created in case so there was time for someone to come and continue debate.

The difference has to be three votes, actually

"A final vote tally of 7-4 will be considered valid."

 

[Oleggator]

The difference has to be three votes, actually

"A final vote tally of 7-4 will be considered valid."

Noted, but still, difference in votes here ain't that big and there's still debate.

 

[Lonkitt]

Yes, that is true. But grace is still active. If something happens to the votes in that period, the result can be changed. Once grace is reached, the debate is over

 

[Oleggator]

"A final vote tally of 7-5 will be considered invalid."

It's 7-5/6 now so even if it's grace now, it's can't be added as far as I can see.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Actually it's 8-5-0

 

[ElixirBlue]

I guess perhaps I’m in the wrong but I just don’t get it.

What are all Kuuga’s advantages over Metal and do they outnumber Metal's?

 

[Lonkitt]

What are Kuuga’s advantages over Metal?

-Versatility
-Skill (aside from his 2000 talents, this point is mostly due to fighting the Ancient Gurongi Tribe who have far more experience than both Sonic and Metal combined)
-Regeneration
-Range
-Resistance to Explosions, an attacking ability HMS is thought to possess
-Intelligence (this isn't the first time Kuuga has fought and overcome those with an AP advantage by thinking cleverly with the abilities and resources he possessed)
-RPL

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Rather than explosion resistance, we decided it as "higher durability for withstanding the explosion" because what Eli said: explosion resistance are apperently doesn't exist in vs debate

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

-Versatility
-Skill (aside from his 2000 talents, this point is mostly due to fighting the Ancient Gurongi Tribe who have far more experience than both Sonic and Metal combined)
-Regeneration
-Range
-Resistance to Explosions, an attacking ability HMS is thought to possess
-Intelligence (this isn't the first time Kuuga has fought and overcome those with an AP advantage by thinking cleverly with the abilities and resources he possessed)
-RPL

You forgot Gouram btw

 

[Lonkitt]

Ah, the Gouram and his insane mobility is also worth noting

Another thing I wanted to note is that Kuuga's weapon creation since that is quite useful. Especially since Rising Titan lets him dual wield with a second sword

 

[Lonkitt]

I'll revise a little then so it's easier to read

-Versatility
-Skill (aside from his 2000 talents, this point is mostly due to fighting the Ancient Gurongi Tribe who have far more experience than both Sonic and Metal combined)
-Regeneration
-Range
-Gouram (can both attack and help Kuuga fly)
-Weapon Creation (incredibly handy if Kuuga's in a situation where he may lose his weapon. For example, a small stick could become the Rising Dragon Rod easily)
-Intelligence (this isn't the first time Kuuga has fought and overcome those with an AP advantage by thinking cleverly with the abilities and resources he possessed)
-RPL

 

[ElixirBlue]

Rather than explosion resistance, we decided it as "higher durability for withstanding the explosion" because what Eli said: explosion resistance are apperently doesn't exist in vs debate

It shouldn't because its just force.

-Versatility
-Skill (aside from his 2000 talents, this point is mostly due to fighting the Ancient Gurongi Tribe who have far more experience than both Sonic and Metal combined)
-Regeneration
-Range
-Gouram (can both attack and help Kuuga fly)
-Weapon Creation (incredibly handy if Kuuga's in a situation where he may lose his weapon. For example, a small stick could become the Rising Dragon Rod easily)
-Intelligence (this isn't the first time Kuuga has fought and overcome those with an AP advantage by thinking cleverly with the abilities and resources he possessed)
-RPL

Plus Gouram btw

Sigh. I am running out of ways to counter. Intelligence is a good point, as well as Skill. Regen advantage is iffy for me to agree like Stat Amps but that 3000 meter AoE counters my own explosion AoE argument, who I just have at "Hundreds of Meters". As well as Versatility.

Metal's advantage

• Flight
• No feeling pain cause he is a robot
• Afterimage Creation
• Bubble shield
• Information Analysis (For Weakpoints, tho, unproven to work on an opponent, if I'm being honest)

Honestly, you start losing the will to continue when Grace starts.

I guess this match is wrapping up