If I'm reading correctly, nothing in the senses' justifications tells them the power level of incoming attacks, & person-sized tornados aren't even always 9-A, even by total energy, let alone after surface area. (Not that I expect the KR to be physics nerds.)
I think that, to the KR, a pair of "monsters"' opening attacks being several projectiles probably wouldn't suggest "This will be severely damaging if it hits us, possibly fatal" a few times.
What I'm saying is that they will get information on what projectiles are used, not their power level obviously. With that, it should be enough for them to differentiate between which projectiles to dodge and which to deflect. I mean like who in their right mind would not dodge against acid projectiles (unless it's Shadow Moon, who has TK to deal with those).
Also nothing in Queen nor Berdly's profile really shows that their projectiles go over 9-A in power. And even then, wouldn't that be restricted? Noelle doesn't get to use her 8-C Snowgrave attack on this tourney, so I don't see any reason why they'll be able to do the same.
I recall there being argument earlier in the thread that Queen has many cups.
Presuming he tries the cup first (It'd be less effort than the chair, & it's what she'd appear to be wielding.), couldn't she just spawn another?
I also recall that Queen takes a while to replace her cups first, then takes another while using her acid danmaku to attack the enemy, before taking that acid to refill and recreate her barrier.
And also, it shouldn't need any extra effort for Shadow Moon to TK her chair due to his x50 LS advantage.
Is that IC for him? I don't recall much arguing in this thread that he'd do that.
But if he did do that it'd probably backfire via the victim being able to attack without moving, & their Danmaku not only being more comparable to them than a KR, but also being something they resist.
Pulling them close enough to be a shield means likely being at point blank range for the next attack from the victim.
Is it in-character? Because if he doesn't know the power levels, or that they can attack while immobilized, this would trade horribly against the KR's.
While it's not exactly in character for him to pull them in all the time (or use them as shields all the time), he does push his enemies to sources of attacks. He can TK Berdly and throw him against Queen, especially during her acid shield. And Berdly does not resist Queen's acid shield.
Ok ok, I have to ask, where will the danmaku originate from? Many people here have said it's from the surroundings and the gameplay videos tell me they also have directional danmaku that comes from them. From your text, you're insinuating that the danmaku will come from them, which means that the riders can act appropriately according to the situation at hand. The reason I'm bringing up this point is because I've been saying this with the assumption that they're attacking from the surroundings and not from themselves.
Also wouldn't certain danmaku require their items, such as Queen's Acid Chalice and Berdly's Axe Danmaku? Even if they can attack while still being immobilised, they probably won't be able to fire them off due to not having that item to use for that danmaku. Sure Queen can summon more cups, but in her immobilization, she's going to inevitably drop them due to the overwhelming TK.
Ixa has also said that due to the 50x LS Advantage, what's stopping Shadow Moon from crushing his opponents with his TK? Berdly is easy to kill since he can snap his neck with TK, but since Queen is a robot, she's going to get crushed. I've said above that they end things fast, so this is in-character for them.
But wouldn't he go for the monster target he's so hateful of first?
(& this assumes there isn't an opportunity for Queen to move back or attack, if/when she sees either the projectiles or the shield being TK'd in the KR's advance.
I'm under the assumption that Queen will be aware of his TK blocking and deflecting projectiles but she wouldn't know the other uses of his TK (due to no prior knowledge being at play). Also, his TK is actually 'invisible' in the series and IIRC only Black Sun
has not only dodged it but also
has shown to be able to grab it (we the viewer can see it but the other characters do not actually see the TK). From this, I can probably say that she's not going to think of it as telekinesis, instead thinking of it as something else.
And as I've said, it's not that they hate monsters, they just don't hold back. This does not mean they'll be hyperfocused on the monster target only. They should have the necessary thinking skills to take care of her flying chair first. And both of them have experiences against flying enemies in their series, so there's no stopping them from removing her option of flight almost immediately.
If they are trying to advance, dodge, deflect & get into range to initiate TK, they don't have many spare opportunities they could spend on stat amping, I think.
Reusing the Black Sun grabbing TK scan. Because near the end of the video, Black Sun hits Shadow Moon with an amped attack, at which he does it in just a flash. Their amps can not only pack extra punch, but aren't hindered by taking time to amp themselves either.
What's the consensus on the arguments so far?
The real consensus for me now is to debate with Imaginym, since mostly everyone has gotten fatigued from five pages worth of debates. He's currently the only one still here to debate (due to arriving late).
Unless you want me to pull the wincon stuff, at which I'll do it soon.
