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I mean, that requires Metal to do nothing back for it to work effectively.
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Low 7-B Tournament Round 3, Match 2 Hyper Metal Sonic vs Kamen Rider Kuuga
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I mean, that requires Metal to do nothing back for it to work effectively.
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Well what i mean perfect counter is that Pegasus enhanced sense + analytical prediction covered most of it so no matter what HMS can do by amping his speed, he would get sniped no matter what
Also this one was'nt brought up but Kuuga also had RPL as well
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Metal can Analytical Prediction his Analytical Prediction.
To make a long story short, Pegasus may know what Metal is going to do, but that's not going to help him because Metal knows what he's going to do. Strange, isn't it?
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You might know everything I'm going to do, but that's not going to help you, since I know everything you're going to do! Strange, isn't it?!
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I dunno, based what i read in previous page nothing implied HMS analytical prediction is superior than Kuuga analytical prediction
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A single quote would'nt convinced me tbh
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Metal’s analytical prediction is a form of mind reading.
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I can't sure if this make him superior or what but i'll take it as both are comparable/equal
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Anyway i would'nt be around until next midnight, but do note that peoples should'nt vote yet until both parties reached it's conclusion
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lol I agree
Lists reasons why person A wins, no person B arguments
”Person B FRA”
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People have voted before a conclusion since the dawn of the wikia, complain about the FRA system in a different thread, but that's just how things work
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Eh, i still don't like peoples just randomly FRA outta nowhere
Until then your vote and the others would'nt be counted
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Even my reasoning was too shakky considering how fuzzy my memories are
Popted2
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then lets recapitolate what are the wincons for the characters?
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I don't care if you don't "like" it, you are not the one who posts the rules
I vote Metal because of AP and analytical prediction plus higher mobility then
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Still not the best way, you know?
AP doesn't matter as we're debated about his dura, analytical prediction is still questionable (but i take it as both are equal), and mobility is moot so that reason you gave was too weak
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Yeah, that's the best
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It has worked on people with explosion resistance. People with similar durability likely gets 1 shotted by it in the show. People with higher durability takes longer to explode so a 2x AP gap would be likely 3 shots (Considering how Growing Kuuga's battles went).
Also people seem to be forgetting Kuuga can instantly change to his other forms in EoS. If Metal Sonic gets near, he can change to Titan who boosts durability and all his resistances by more than 2x. He can change to Dragon if he needs higher mobility. And of course, Pegasus for sniping.
Another thing is Kuuga can summon Gouram. That stag beetle has reactive evol so it can adjust to what Metal Sonic is shooting and has higher durability than Kuuga so it can block his attacks for Kuuga as well as apply the same mark that Kuuga applies.
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Compared to HMS analytical prediction? It's form of mind reading
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Kuuga will think in his mind to change forms, how will HMS know what to do if Kuuga thinks, "I'm going to change to Titan form". He won't know what that form does. That also doesn't change the fact that Titan Form has way higher durability and explosion resistance. Also, how does he read the mind of Gouram?
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Then complain elsewhere, I still posted reasons, it doesn't matter if you don't like or agree with them, it still counts as a vote unless you objectively debunk it
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Well my arguments above can be counted as debunking, but even i'm not trusting what i said because my fuzzy memories lel
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His profile under stats don't mention such an increase, so they preferably can't be used since we follow the profiles primarily for debates in forums unless there is hard evidence shown like a scan.
The calculated Force Metal is tanking without scratches(for a time) from Sonic is higher than Kuuga's calc, going off the profile. I doubt it would take only 3 hits.
I guess this is problem with Kuuga's profile, as these additional stats aren't listed
IxaSaga2
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Wow, it really doesn't. I guess I have to provide the scans and evidence.
Example 1. "Powerful enough to damage Mighty Form"
Basically in the show, he gets extremely hurt by a monster but in Titan, he shrugs it off like its nothing and since the examples are Base Mighty and Base Titan in BoS, EoS Rising Titan upscales.
Growing Form is half of base and he was fighting a monster that was equal to base, after 3 finishers, that same monster died.
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@Jamesthetaker @Nicetoderp @BERRIES555 @MagiSinbad @IxaSaga2 think it's time for you guys to voting, since right now we're just circling around at this point
Current vote right now are: Kuuga: 2 (me and Popted as he changed vote) | HMS: 4 i think? (Smashtwig vote was too vague so i can't count it)
Current vote right now are: Kuuga: 2 (me and Popted as he changed vote) | HMS: 4 i think? (Smashtwig vote was too vague so i can't count it)
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? Have we? Circling around would be going back to the Explosions ignore durability argument, or, Explosions are Hax you can resist like Existence Erasure. We have moved on from that.
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My bad lel
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I guess the main issue atm is Ixa bringing scaling that is a bit hard to understand in terms of his relation to Metal's stats atm
Like, is Kuuga's Stat amp is enough to reach the 2x difference, plus Bubble Shield Metal creates.
Like, is Kuuga's Stat amp is enough to reach the 2x difference, plus Bubble Shield Metal creates.
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Honestly peoples forget that Kuuga had Reactive Power Level, so combined it with stat amp i think that would enough for reaching 2x difference
More like Tokusatsu scaling in general
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Alright, have sweet dreams. :3
In the meantime, my counter argument to your current argument on the AP difference is that your argument brought unquantifiable scaling. As someone arguing for Metal, I'd say its not enough to surpass Metal's AP or be on par with, who also tanked and/or caused an explosion that 2x Kuuga's calced explosion.
My argument hings on higher AP/Durability, Bubble Shield for further (but unquantifiable) increase for Metal's durability, better mobility (Metal's method of flight is superior to Kuuga's), not feeling pain for he is a robot, and his Explosions are City range, from this gif shown here:
and create explosions made likely through brute force with a range that made this giant stalactite appear small
IxaSaga2
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Ope, just as I said that.
For my counter arguments for everything:
Titan's main amp is durability and resistances. Since Kuuga in his other forms resists explosions already, titan has much higher explosion res. Titan's amp doesn't really have a definitive number so that's tricky to determine. All I know is Titan often no sold attacks from enemies that were stronger than Kuuga at the time. I forgot about Kuuga's RPL TBH like Velox said but in show, when Kuuga gets to a critical condition, he gets stronger. Which makes me think Titan + RPL + Regen I think is good enough to surpass HMS's AP.
Kuuga's Rising Pegasus Form as all the KR supporters explained. Rising Pegasus's senses (sight and hearing) scales >~100x his other forms/1000x normal humans + Extrasensory Perception. Of course the counter arguments for that was HMS's analytical prediction. This was also countered by the fact that this form allows him to react and accurately shoot down people who are able to blitz him. (Shown by how Decade used Pegasus's ability)
Regarding the Bubble, does that last forever or does it have a time limit? If it goes away for some time, Kuuga can take advantage of the down time (with senses of course). If it lasts forever, Kuuga has to hit it continuously.
For mobility, Rising Dragon will be enough to maneuver around. He has been shown to leap from skyscraper to skyscraper easily in BoS Base Dragon. Rising Dragon heavily upscales from that because he had multiple evolutions by EoS.
BoS Base Dragon's mobility:
Also, Gouram has been ignore this entire fight but that's my fault since I didn't explain it fully. Gouram is a mechanical stage beetle that flies around and helps Kuuga (Instinctively). It is equal to Kuuga's own AP (durability is higher than Kuuga's but yet again it is unqualifiable). It can recreate it's own armor so that it's never out of the fight. It can attack/defend for Kuuga while Kuuga does his own thing.
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From my perception, 2x AP is hardly in one-shot territory it is good but what IxaSaga2 shown above, Titan Form litterally no-sell to attack that previously harmed his normal state. I kinda doubt HMS are able to copy Kuuga's moveset, maybe Mighty or Dragon can but his other forms relies on their signature weapons + weapon creation which i haven't seen it can yet.
This isn't the first time he deals against enemy with better flight though, Pegasus Form have hearing sense on city-wide scales with extreme precise and he was able to pin-point an invisible enemy.
This isn't the first time he deals against enemy with better flight though, Pegasus Form have hearing sense on city-wide scales with extreme precise and he was able to pin-point an invisible enemy.
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