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I need to sleep, i will return way later
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Low 2-C Battle of Gods, but I have a good argument :3
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I think goku uses instant transmission as saiyans can't survive in outer space.
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A bunch of these scale to 2-C due to multiple Universal realms, others scale to feats "transcending space and time"
Also, the separate realms in DB are not separate universes
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I think you meant to say "can't"
BTW this is obvious. That could even be the justification for why he needs to lock on to the ki-signature properly
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How do you disprove the separate space-time statements though
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By noting that not all separate space-times are equal and we have to look at it on a case by case (verse by verse) basis. I don't even really agree that the different realms in DB are truly separate space-times
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And by the way, this is my argument, basically :
Claim : the Living Realm and the Outer Realm are dimensionally separate spaces which makes their simultaneous destruction Tier 2 because of the unquantifiable distances involved (due to being separate spaces)
Contradiction : Goku can casually teleport from King Kai planet (inside the Outer Realm) to Earth (inside the Living Realm) but he can't casually teleport from Beerus' planet (inside the Living Realm) to Earth (also inside the Living Realm)
Therefore, the quantifiable distance between Beerus'planet and Earth is greater than the unquantifiable distance between King Kai's planet and Earth, meaning that the basis of arguing Tier 2 is invalid
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The U7 is a space time, since its called a universe, stated to be based on ours [Which is a space times-]. Universes by default are space times
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U7 as a whole. Including all the realms
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How is Destroying the U7 (Space-Time) =/= Destroying a Space-Time?
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No timeline destruction was happening
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Universe 7 is a space-time, BoG fight was going to destroy it, thats a basic Low 2-C scaling
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No explicit destruction.
Simply saying "the entire universe was being destroyed" is not enough for Low 2-C without the mention of temporal damage, hence why I went the "affecting separate timespaces automatically involves the 4-D axis" route.
Simply saying "the entire universe was being destroyed" is not enough for Low 2-C without the mention of temporal damage, hence why I went the "affecting separate timespaces automatically involves the 4-D axis" route.
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That's still arguably 3A based on how Universal destruction feats are quantified. I'm not super up-to-date with the distinction between 3A feats and Low 2C feats
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3-A = "The universe is being destroyed."
Low 2-C = "The universe, oh and its entire space-time, is being destroyed."
Low 2-C = "The universe, oh and its entire space-time, is being destroyed."
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I think the DB cosmology needs to be settled first before we can actually decide that
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Yeah, I'll just wait on that.
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Soo who's making the cosmology blog? Zamasu I assume since he's already made one?
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It's stated everything in the universe would get destroyed(everything is everything so includes time) and both beerus and goku so it's low 2-C with multipliers for goku.
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Universe destruction is not treated as Low 2-C by default
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The whole macrocosm [U7]Is accepted as a space time in the wiki, thus destroying it significantly effecting it is a low 2-C feat
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Except Goku can do that, he just has to lock onto a ki signature.
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His point is that Goku can't do it casually, he can teleport from earth to king kai easily, but can't teleport to earth using base Gohan or gotenks who are much stronger than king kai from beerus' planet.
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Dont we know where beerus planet is exactly?
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No. I don't think so. Only that it's apart of the living realm
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I must make a correction here.
hades was recently shown protecting his Underworld Universes from an all encompasing attack, and also reently Athena was shown to completely eradicting the underworld universes through all encompassing energy blast.
Thats all i will say about this lol.
Edit: oh wiat i see what you did there. Sorry...
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Anways, As i see it. a Staff thread needs to be made (in my opinion) its either downgrade all of DBS to 3-A and Zeno to High 3-A or we get a Low 2-C upgrade. (Just my opinion) This has been something debated for a while and many threads created to change standards of something because of this. Maybe its time to bury the hachet? Though im sure the answer is obvious what will be picked.
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Cosmology thread first.
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wasn't their already a thread and a blog created about the cosmology though?
it was for a different purpose than low 2-C i suppose..
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the counterarguments seem pointless from what I've seen
basically if the "entire"(they really use the word entire universe like a million times) universe is destroyed then it wasn't destroyed because they didn't say time, even though according to vs wiki logic time should already be included when they say the entire universe is destroyed
you'd need some real mental gymnastics to say that universal destruction isn't universal destruction bro
basically if the "entire"(they really use the word entire universe like a million times) universe is destroyed then it wasn't destroyed because they didn't say time, even though according to vs wiki logic time should already be included when they say the entire universe is destroyed
you'd need some real mental gymnastics to say that universal destruction isn't universal destruction bro
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I'm hoping there's more to the counterarguments than that but I don't recall seeing anything that can actually debunk the crt
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What you described is universal destruction but the wiki's standard is that universal destruction is 3-A not low 2-C. This CRT is trying to use the logic that since the afterlife and other realms in U7's macrocosm are separated, then that must mean they are effecting the entire time space because they are effecting the entire thing which proves it's tier 2. This is the counter argument.
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I thought 3-A was just destroying everything that's INSIDE a single universe, not including the space-time of it
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which wouldn't be, well
the ENTIRE universe
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That is correct. And the wiki's standard is to assume that any universe destruction with no mention of time is 3-A.
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while that is true
there is a difference between destroy the universe and destroy the ENTIRE universe
entire universe statements are according to their logic, considered high 3-A unless it's an outlier or something
and DBS has multiple universe sized spaces, which would be part of the universe
this fits the low 2-C description perfectly, I literally can't think of a more obvious way to prove low 2-c ngl
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They consider all universe busting statements to be 3-A if they have no mention of time. High 3-A is if the universe is infinite. I do agree that universe busting should be considered low 2-C by default though.
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Y'know, I'm curious: is this standard dropped in favor of a higher rating when the fictional universe in question has its own unique structure?
Like, if a verse had a universe that housed a bunch of higher-dimensional constructs (let's use fifth-dimensional as an example; DC), would destroying that universe still just be 3-A because those higher-dimensional constructs weren't explicitly mentioned?
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If it says the entire thing, then no it’s not 3A. However, doesn’t otherworld have a different flow of time. Then there’s the room of spirit and time, which should definitely be it’s own dimension and shit. I think Low 2C is fine. (
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