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"extra-dimensional" isn't nearly enough to qualify for low 1-c fortunately
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"extra-dimensional" isn't nearly enough to qualify for low 1-c fortunately
Why are you asking me that? IDK. But I'll try to answer, if a statement like "the entire universe will be destroyed!" is said about a universe that has higher dimensional realms in it then I would assume it would scale to those higher dimensions not 3-A.Y'know, I'm curious: is this standard dropped in favor of a higher rating when the fictional universe in question has its own unique structure?
Like, if a verse had a universe that housed a bunch of higher-dimensional constructs (let's use fifth-dimensional as an example; DC), would destroying that universe still just be 3-A because those higher-dimensional constructs weren't explicitly mentioned?
frI swear all of that shit will always be super confusing to me, after 2-A is just a mindfuck, personally
yeah dimension tiering is confusing at first xD.I swear all of that shit will always be super confusing to me, after 2-A is just a mindfuck, personally
About the innumerable timeline statement or DBS finally has countless universes?Like 2-B at best, right
The one About the dimensionally transcendent afterlifeAbout the innumerable timeline statement or DBS finally has countless universes?
but "entire" automatically includes time luckily soThey consider all universe busting statements to be 3-A if they have no mention of time. High 3-A is if the universe is infinite. I do agree that universe busting should be considered low 2-C by default though.
I agree.but "entire" automatically includes time luckily so
technically it should pass
hahahahahahahahacharacter: "I'm literally going to destroy everything, and I mean the absolute complete entirety of the multiverse in every way possible"
wiki: "I give it a 3-A at best, he didn't say he was gonna destroy time tho "
Downplaymemes aside tho, I don't see any real room for debate anymore
what's stopping this from being added at this stage?
they're doing a wha.......what?There are arguments against and we're waiting to finish a cosmology thread first apparently.
Pretty sure King Kai's planet is in the other world, not outer realm.And by the way, this is my argument, basically :
Claim : the Living Realm and the Outer Realm are dimensionally separate spaces which makes their simultaneous destruction Tier 2 because of the unquantifiable distances involved (due to being separate spaces)
Contradiction : Goku can casually teleport from King Kai planet (inside the Outer Realm) to Earth (inside the Living Realm) but he can't casually teleport from Beerus' planet (inside the Living Realm) to Earth (also inside the Living Realm)
Therefore, the quantifiable distance between Beerus'planet and Earth is greater than the unquantifiable distance between King Kai's planet and Earth, meaning that the basis of arguing Tier 2 is invalid
Uhhcharacter: "I'm literally going to destroy everything, and I mean the absolute complete entirety of the multiverse in every way possible"
wiki: "I give it a 3-A at best, he didn't say he was gonna destroy time tho "
It does matter if all other universal feats in the series are consider Tier 2 rather than Tier 3.I'm sorry, but you guys are not gonna persuade any staff members to give special treatment to DB because Universe destruction is treated as 3-A by default. It doesn't matter if the statement says "entire" or "whole" or "complete".
Beerus' and Champa's feat is considered 2-C because U7 and U6 are considered separate space-times, so destroying both of them simultaneously implies destruction across a range that spans two different space-times. The range of destruction is unquantifiably larger than simple Low 2-C destruction because of the separation of the two space-times. That's all. I'm sure AKM has explained this 2-3 times on this very threadBeerus and Champa's universes busting feat its treated as a combine 2-C feat, which its only possible if both U7 and U6 are considered Low 2-C structure, which its also why Whis and Vados are ranked at Likely 2-C.
Then 3-A for BoG SSjG Goku doesn't make sense, you say that both U7 and U6 have their own space-time, so destroy one of them would still be Low 2-C not just 3-A.Beerus' and Champa's feat is considered 2-C because U7 and U6 are considered separate space-times, so destroying both of them simultaneously implies destruction across a range that spans two different space-times.
The other world and Kaioshin realm are not accepted as separate space-times. Only the universes, like U6, U7 etc. as a whole are. The destruction of the entirety of U7 is just 3-A as no mention was made of destroying space and timeThen 3-A for BoG SSjG Goku doesn't make sense, you say that both U7 and U6 have their own space-time, so destroy one of them would still be Low 2-C not just 3-A.
3-A can only work if the clash was limited to the Living World or just everything within that realm, but both Other World and Kaioshin Realm were also affected by the clash and were going to be destroyed as well.
So again i will repeat, either 3-A is wrong or the Low 2-C is wrong, they cannot be both correct.
You seem to be under the misconception that individual destruction of U6 and U7 being Low 2-C is what made the Beerus/Champa clash 2-C but that is not trueThen 3-A for BoG SSjG Goku doesn't make sense, you say that both U7 and U6 have their own space-time, so destroy one of them would still be Low 2-C not just 3-A.
What were the arguments as to why the Sacred World of the Kai is not accepted as a separate timespace again?The other world and Kaioshin realm are not accepted as separate space-times.
This is not the place, buddy. You can just search "Dragon Ball cosmology" and go through and contribute to the currently open discussionsWhat were the arguments as to why the Sacred World of the Kai is not accepted as a separate timespace again?
Also, Room of Spirit and Time, anybody?
Good point, if the room of spirit and time was going to be destroyed by goku and beerus in the living world, that directly proves that Goku and Beerus' feat is low 2-C. As far as I know, nothing contradicts the supreme kai realm being separate time space.What were the arguments as to why the Sacred World of the Kai is not accepted as a separate timespace again?
Also, Room of Spirit and Time, anybody?
Again nothing implies that time was going to be destroyed. And, room of spirit and time is accepted as a different space-time becouse time flows different there, and there is nothing impliying that is Universal in size, so we can't assume it is.Good point, if the room of spirit and time was going to be destroyed by goku and beerus in the living world, that directly proves that Goku and Beerus' feat is low 2-C. As far as I know, nothing contradicts the supreme kai realm being separate time space.
If the ROSAT was being destroyed along with the rest of U7, then that would mean that Goku and beerus' attacks were travelling the distances between space times which proves time was being effected.Again nothing implies that time was going to be destroyed.
I didn't assume that it was, I'm not trying to upgrade to 2-C here even though I could if I wanted. I'm just saying effecting the ROSAT means that the feat is low 2-C, the ROSAT size doesn't matter.And, room of spirit and time is accepted as a different space-time becouse time flows different there, and there is nothing impliying that is Universal in size, so we can't assume it is.
Great, that's perfect.And, room of spirit and time is accepted as a different space-time becouse time flows different there
And again, ROSAT is really just a pocket dimension with a temporal abnormalityIf the ROSAT was being destroyed along with the rest of U7, then that would mean that Goku and beerus' attacks were travelling the distances between space times which proves time was being effected.