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Low 2-C Battle of Gods, but I have a good argument :3

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Nullflowerblush said:
Y'know, I'm curious: is this standard dropped in favor of a higher rating when the fictional universe in question has its own unique structure?

Like, if a verse had a universe that housed a bunch of higher-dimensional constructs (let's use fifth-dimensional as an example; DC), would destroying that universe still just be 3-A because those higher-dimensional constructs weren't explicitly mentioned?
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Why are you asking me that? IDK. But I'll try to answer, if a statement like "the entire universe will be destroyed!" is said about a universe that has higher dimensional realms in it then I would assume it would scale to those higher dimensions not 3-A.
 
iirc you have to prove that Higher Dimensions > Lower Dimensions interms of AP,Dura etc.
A good example is A 3D human compared to a 2D drawing where the human is dimensionally superior and the drawing can never hurt the human.
Same thing for 4D beings > 3D beings and so on.
 
an old analogy of mine.
the wiki: Treats all universes as space time. Thus they are a low 2-C structure.
also the wiki : treats the destruction of the entire universe as 3-A.
the macrocosm 7 is low 2-C, this destroying the entire structure would be low 2-C feat because you are destroying a low 2-C structure.
the wiki: But time tho
 
"space time is part of the universe"
"uh huh"
"and in order to have a universal destruction feat, you need to destroy all of the universe's space time"
"uh huh"
"So if I destroy the entire universe then you have to accept that I also destroyed all of space time"
"makes sense to me"
"Then accept it"
"3-A at best"
 
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RoyGundam said:
And by the way, this is my argument, basically :

Claim : the Living Realm and the Outer Realm are dimensionally separate spaces which makes their simultaneous destruction Tier 2 because of the unquantifiable distances involved (due to being separate spaces)

Contradiction : Goku can casually teleport from King Kai planet (inside the Outer Realm) to Earth (inside the Living Realm) but he can't casually teleport from Beerus' planet (inside the Living Realm) to Earth (also inside the Living Realm)

Therefore, the quantifiable distance between Beerus'planet and Earth is greater than the unquantifiable distance between King Kai's planet and Earth, meaning that the basis of arguing Tier 2 is invalid
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Pretty sure King Kai's planet is in the other world, not outer realm.
 
The universal "spheres" have always been weird to me. We know they look like this, and like this in the manga. We know that there is space between universes, as the U6 Tournament was held on the nameless planet which was described as "existing in the neutral space between universe 6 and 7". Zen'o also lives in this extra-universal space, as it would take Whis 2 days to travel there when it takes him close to a half hour to get to King Kai's planet from Beerus's according to the beginning of the series.

As far as all universes having the same time, doesn't the universes getting erased from existence disprove that? All universes that were erased from existence were brought back after the tournament of power, displacing universes from several minutes in time to likely far higher if we follow the assumption that 17s wish restored the original six erased universes as well. If all universes have some type of linked space-time, then wouldn't Zen'o's feat only be a lot better than 3-A?

But.....doesn't the fact that Zen'o announced the Tournament on the 3,135,500,603rd day of the King's Calendar provide some credibility to the shared space-time argument? Unless Zen'o runs on a different time.

Edit: That time needs translations. It only amounts to a few million years, Beerus is far older than that according to several sources.
 
I'm sorry, but you guys are not gonna persuade any staff members to give special treatment to DB because Universe destruction is treated as 3-A by default. It doesn't matter if the statement says "entire" or "whole" or "complete".

Seriously, the OP knew this, and specifically based their argument on the destruction of separated realms instead
 
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RoyGundam said:
I'm sorry, but you guys are not gonna persuade any staff members to give special treatment to DB because Universe destruction is treated as 3-A by default. It doesn't matter if the statement says "entire" or "whole" or "complete".
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It does matter if all other universal feats in the series are consider Tier 2 rather than Tier 3.

Beerus and Champa's universes busting feat its treated as a combine 2-C feat, which its only possible if both U7 and U6 are considered Low 2-C structure, which its also why Whis and Vados are ranked at Likely 2-C.

Same with Infinite Zamasu merging with the universe, since that assume U7 has its own space-time, and yes there was him show his presence in the main timeline but that its only used as a support feat.

Both things go in contradition with Goku and Beerus's universe busting clash be consider only 3-A.

So either all feats where never Tier 2 and DB Super had to drop Tier 2, or all of them are Tier 2 feats and Beerus and Goku's clash has to be upgraded to Low 2-C.

There cannot be a middle end.
 
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Stefano4444 said:
Beerus and Champa's universes busting feat its treated as a combine 2-C feat, which its only possible if both U7 and U6 are considered Low 2-C structure, which its also why Whis and Vados are ranked at Likely 2-C.
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Beerus' and Champa's feat is considered 2-C because U7 and U6 are considered separate space-times, so destroying both of them simultaneously implies destruction across a range that spans two different space-times. The range of destruction is unquantifiably larger than simple Low 2-C destruction because of the separation of the two space-times. That's all. I'm sure AKM has explained this 2-3 times on this very thread

Basically Beerus and Champa were performing 3-A feats across an unquantifiable cross-dimensional range - which makes it 2-C
 
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RoyGundam said:
Beerus' and Champa's feat is considered 2-C because U7 and U6 are considered separate space-times, so destroying both of them simultaneously implies destruction across a range that spans two different space-times.
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Then 3-A for BoG SSjG Goku doesn't make sense, you say that both U7 and U6 have their own space-time, so destroy one of them would still be Low 2-C not just 3-A.

3-A can only work if the clash was limited to the Living World or just everything within that realm, but both Other World and Kaioshin Realm were also affected by the clash and were going to be destroyed as well.

So again i will repeat, either 3-A is wrong or the Low 2-C is wrong, they cannot be both correct.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Then 3-A for BoG SSjG Goku doesn't make sense, you say that both U7 and U6 have their own space-time, so destroy one of them would still be Low 2-C not just 3-A.

3-A can only work if the clash was limited to the Living World or just everything within that realm, but both Other World and Kaioshin Realm were also affected by the clash and were going to be destroyed as well.

So again i will repeat, either 3-A is wrong or the Low 2-C is wrong, they cannot be both correct.
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The other world and Kaioshin realm are not accepted as separate space-times. Only the universes, like U6, U7 etc. as a whole are. The destruction of the entirety of U7 is just 3-A as no mention was made of destroying space and time
 
Stefano4444 said:
Then 3-A for BoG SSjG Goku doesn't make sense, you say that both U7 and U6 have their own space-time, so destroy one of them would still be Low 2-C not just 3-A.
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You seem to be under the misconception that individual destruction of U6 and U7 being Low 2-C is what made the Beerus/Champa clash 2-C but that is not true
 
What Roy said. There is no contradiction in how we treat Beerus and Champa's destruction of two different universes and how we treat BoG's destruction of one universe. Plus, Beerus and Champa also upscale from Infinite Zamasu, who himself is Low 2-C.

Also, "the entire universe will be destroyed" is also a 3-A statement by default unless time is also evidenced to be included in it.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
What were the arguments as to why the Sacred World of the Kai is not accepted as a separate timespace again?
Also, Room of Spirit and Time, anybody?
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This is not the place, buddy. You can just search "Dragon Ball cosmology" and go through and contribute to the currently open discussions
 
Nullflowerblush said:
What were the arguments as to why the Sacred World of the Kai is not accepted as a separate timespace again?
Also, Room of Spirit and Time, anybody?
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Good point, if the room of spirit and time was going to be destroyed by goku and beerus in the living world, that directly proves that Goku and Beerus' feat is low 2-C. As far as I know, nothing contradicts the supreme kai realm being separate time space.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
Good point, if the room of spirit and time was going to be destroyed by goku and beerus in the living world, that directly proves that Goku and Beerus' feat is low 2-C. As far as I know, nothing contradicts the supreme kai realm being separate time space.
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Again nothing implies that time was going to be destroyed. And, room of spirit and time is accepted as a different space-time becouse time flows different there, and there is nothing impliying that is Universal in size, so we can't assume it is.
 
God900 said:
Again nothing implies that time was going to be destroyed.
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If the ROSAT was being destroyed along with the rest of U7, then that would mean that Goku and beerus' attacks were travelling the distances between space times which proves time was being effected.
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And, room of spirit and time is accepted as a different space-time becouse time flows different there, and there is nothing impliying that is Universal in size, so we can't assume it is.
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I didn't assume that it was, I'm not trying to upgrade to 2-C here even though I could if I wanted. I'm just saying effecting the ROSAT means that the feat is low 2-C, the ROSAT size doesn't matter.
 
God900 said:
And, room of spirit and time is accepted as a different space-time becouse time flows different there
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Great, that's perfect.

That means Goku and Beerus were affecting the 4-D axis. Unless, of course, the Room of Spirit and Time was only completely exempt from this destruction.

I already knew that, but nobody paid to that argument in the OP.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
If the ROSAT was being destroyed along with the rest of U7, then that would mean that Goku and beerus' attacks were travelling the distances between space times which proves time was being effected.
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And again, ROSAT is really just a pocket dimension with a temporal abnormality
 
Dbs: we are going to destroy the U7, an accepted space time, plus ROSAT which also a space time showing that we are effecting the space time, we have statement that the universe itself, which is a space time, is going to be completely destroyed.
WIKI: BuT tImE tHO
 
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