- 8,857
- 5,697
What's the argument against right now?
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Low 2-C Battle of Gods, but I have a good argument :3
- Thread starter Nullflowerblush
- Start date
- Status
DivineAura44
He/Him- 5,229
- 3,395
I'll search the Chouzenshuu for the statement ig.
- 13,903
- 5,404
Sorry I’m just confused
if it’s finite then that would mean it’s not universe SIZED which is weird and would be like
a multi galaxy++ sized universe or something? Which kinda implies that Goku is only multi galaxy+ level or something…
DivineAura44
He/Him- 5,229
- 3,395
It's whether or not the cosmology works.
DivineAura44
He/Him- 5,229
- 3,395
Not all universes are infinite?
- 3,708
- 1,759
We accept each universe in every fictional verse as the size of our observable universe [unless there is a contradiction]
- 4,523
- 2,242
Our universe isn’t infinite, tho…
- 8,857
- 5,697
The observable universe is universe level. Not multi galaxy++. The living world in dragon ball is this big at least.
Can you give a little more detail?
- 5,737
- 3,248
Guys can we just don't derail, we should get back to the topic of this thread.
- 16,203
- 10,693
Universes in fiction by default are rated as the same size as our known universe, which is not infinite, it only has about 93 billion light-years knowns, so, unless the verse stated to the size of the universe be lower or higher than it, all universes by default are 93 billion light-years
- 3,303
- 2,697
Let me condense my argument against the OP :
Claim : the Living Realm and the Outer Realm are dimensionally separate spaces which makes their simultaneous destruction Tier 2 because of the unquantifiable distances involved
Contradiction : Goku can casually teleport from King Kai planet (inside the Outer Realm) to Earth (inside the Living Realm) but he can't casually teleport from Beerus' planet (inside the Living Realm) to Earth (also inside the Living Realm)
Therefore, the quantifiable distance between Beerus'planet and Earth is greater than the unquantifiable distance between King Kai's planet and Earth, meaning that the basis of arguing Tier 2 is invalid
- 4,523
- 2,242
Nullflowerblush
He/Him- 9,792
- 8,607
- Thread starter
- #133
Again, Other World is not the only basis of my argument.
- 4,523
- 2,242
Thing is, they’re never implied to being far away from the universe and seem to be right next to it, so that argument doesn’t really work.
Stefano4444
He/Him- 6,199
- 5,324
That was never the main argument for BoG be Tier 2, it the fact that each universe had its own separated space-time.
- 16,959
- 4,855
Someone definitely needs to message more staff members for this by the way. AKM and DarkDragon especially.
- 16,203
- 10,693
AKM already commented here, but it would be good if he comment again
- 5,737
- 3,248
AKM already talked here, but I bet he is willing to do it again.
- 5,737
- 3,248
- 3,303
- 2,697
Unquantifiable distances are quite literally the basis upon which the you'd build the argument that destroying separated spacetimes should be Tier 2 ... Without the unquantifiable distances, the tier 2 argument just doesn't work
- 11,134
- 14,119
Oh my. I just realized how badly this thread has been made.
60% of this thread focuses on the cosmology as how the DB universe has different realms. Well, that's common knowledge. I thought that was being used to make a 2-C argument lol.
But the thread is about BoG being Low 2-C, which means 60% of the OP is useless. Anyway,
60% of this thread focuses on the cosmology as how the DB universe has different realms. Well, that's common knowledge. I thought that was being used to make a 2-C argument lol.
But the thread is about BoG being Low 2-C, which means 60% of the OP is useless. Anyway,
This is because different universes are treated to possess different space-time continuums by default. So if you are destroying 2 universes, it is assumed that you are also breaching the 4-D axis, because without that, it wouldn't be possible.
No. Because U7 is treated to be a single universe. In a destruction of one universe, the above logic doesn't apply. We don't assume by default that time is also destroyed in the destruction of one universe.
There is no difference between the two statements. A statement like the latter is also considered to be 3-A unless time is mentioned or evidenced. The former just hits the nail in the coffin even further.
Stefano4444
He/Him- 6,199
- 5,324
That only for 2-C and beyond, it isn't a requirement for Low 2-C.
Last edited:
DivineAura44
He/Him- 5,229
- 3,395
I don't even think we assume this for Dragon Ball though. Pretty sure I've seen CRT's get denied for this same reason.
- 8,857
- 5,697
I see, well I will spectate.
- 4,523
- 2,242
Thing is, even the mortal universe is 3A, the other realms are separate realms as shown in the OP, and it should be Low 2C.
- 3,303
- 2,697
The distance between a place in the mortal universe (Earth) and a place in one of the major other realm (King Kai's planet) is provably less than the distance between two places within the mortal universe (Beerus' planet and Earth) so the destruction of other realms is also 3A
Nullflowerblush
He/Him- 9,792
- 8,607
- Thread starter
- #147
A little late, but his planet is "beyond the universe", so perhaps it is not located in the Living World.
- 3,303
- 2,697
The argument of this thread i.e. destruction of separate realms gives tier 2 results implicitly uses 2-C logic
- 4,523
- 2,242
That doesn’t make much sense when you critically think about it. Even if they were dimensionally disconnected from each other, they could still be extremely close to each other, no reason why this contradicts anything.
- 11,134
- 14,119
........
Pretty sure Zeno wouldn't be 2-C if that were the case.
I mean, this boils down to if you consider them being spatially separate as being temporally separate as well. Which is not something we do. But this is a cosmology argument, and since the OP isn't trying to change that, it would be derailing.
Nullflowerblush
He/Him- 9,792
- 8,607
- Thread starter
- #151
Yes, Other World was my main argument, but there are two more.
- 5,737
- 3,248
You are just assuming.......
Nullflowerblush
He/Him- 9,792
- 8,607
- Thread starter
- #153
Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise then?
Also, the Chōzenshū was released in 2013, two years before Super began airing.
- 5,737
- 3,248
And do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?....
- 8,857
- 5,697
I think that doesn't matter since despite the distance being quantifiable, the attacks destroying the universe are still crossing seperated realms which means that they should be effecting space time, at least that's what I think the original poster intended.
- 3,303
- 2,697
To be fair, this has more wide-ranging issues because it puts into question the MFTL+ travel speeds of Beerus and Whiz in BoG as well
DivineAura44
He/Him- 5,229
- 3,395
A lot of things are built on assumption, including cosmology. The fact is beyond (at or to the further side of, referring to the latter in this case) implies it isn't in the mortal world. Which makes sense because Beerus isn't a mortal.
- 3,303
- 2,697
They will be crossing a space-time that is provably smaller than the cross-Universe space-time so it's still 3A regardless
Nullflowerblush
He/Him- 9,792
- 8,607
- Thread starter
- #159
The Wiki, as far as I know, does not acknowledge those feats anymore.
Everybody scales off of the energy explosion that engulfed the universe Goku and Beerus created when their beams collided with each other.
DivineAura44
He/Him- 5,229
- 3,395
Then those just need to be fixed. That shouldn't take away from this.
- Status
