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Ah I didnt see his response earlier. My bad. Someone should ask DarkDragon to comment though.
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Low 2-C Battle of Gods, but I have a good argument :3
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Like I said, it has wider implications. I'd like a more substantial proof to change from the currently held convention that Beerus' planet lies inside the Living Realm
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I'd like any proof at all to support the currently held convention that Beerus' planet lies inside the Living Realm.
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Then, there's a bigger problem because the calc is based on the energy being visible in the Kaioshin realm
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Actually, currently accepted speed calculations implicitly include even the Kaioshin realm as within quantifiable distance from Earth
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Null is taking the positive here but they have evidence to back them up. Burden is currently on God900 to disprove the evidence or come up with new sufficient evidence. (Or just say the evidence is circumstantial, which it doesn't seem to be).
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Just because it is accepted does not mean it is correct.
We have zero proof that Beerus' Planet is located within the Living World; in fact, the official summary of Episode 2 suggests that his planet exists beyond the stretches of the Universe.
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Currently, beerus' planet is considered to be located in the living world, but it's location is unknown, but it's most likely far away from earth. I don't think that goku can IT to the supreme kai realm from earth, which is separate the living world. So maybe that could be something IDK.
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Supreme Kai realm is located in the Outer Realm, so is King Kai's planet. Goku can casually IT from King Kai's planet to Earth and vice-versa
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Thx for clarifying , seems abit easier to follow now
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What a foolish rebuttal, he asked you to prove a positive and you said “do you have evidence to disprove the claim I made?”
That’s not how debating works.
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Me neither. I had a feeling this thread would go this way.
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Interesting
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The Sacred World of the Kai is located in its own isolated dimension that orbits around the universal globe.
Other World is part of the globe.
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Goku uses Instant Transmission to go from the planet of the Supreme Kai to earth in DB chapter 503. He saves Gohan from Buutenks
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Tbh I second this. The OP is really weird for me to understand why. It was also very unexpected, something I don't appreciate since I'm currently discussing DB's cosmology with some peeps who know more of the tiering system than me.
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Agreed. DB cosmology needs to be hashed out first
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#502, and that's strange, because literally a day before, he could not reach the Sacred World of the Kai from Earth; in fact, nobody, could sense Gohan from Earth.
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I believe Gohan was recuperating and perhaps hadn't been powering up. Buutenks had raised his ki to finish off Ultimate Gohan, which was probably why Goku could IT so casually
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I was gonna respond to the earlier. But this is a good point. Strange I remember goku being unable to reach the earth for supreme kai's planet.
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wouldn't it be for the best to close this thread, continue the explanation blog [Which hopefully will tackle the canon and non canon cosmology] then rate the feats after seeing the results. Because it will effect the bog, wither negatively or positively is unknown
[Tho I agree with low 2-C bog, goku and beerus have multiple feats and statements about them having enough power to completely utterly annihilate and destroy the entire macrocosm , which is a low 2-C structure. Destroying a low 2-C structure = Low 2-C feat] but eh
[Tho I agree with low 2-C bog, goku and beerus have multiple feats and statements about them having enough power to completely utterly annihilate and destroy the entire macrocosm , which is a low 2-C structure. Destroying a low 2-C structure = Low 2-C feat] but eh
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I don't think using 90s dub version is a good evidence
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But now this is being discussed, Goku's IT is limited by the ki signature he's locking onto before teleporting, so how is this disproving the realms being seperated? Goku was still able to go from beerus' planet to earth after sensing gohan powering up.
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It also have range issue, we don't even know the exact range limit of IT
Edit: according to DB wiki IT can potentially travel outside time itself, but well.........this is DB wiki we talking about
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The way I understand it, Low 2-C structure = 1 timeline. Multiple separate space-times is actually a 2-C structure. BoG didn't have timeline stuff so it couldn't be low 2-C. In fact, all the separate realms within U7 belong to the same timeline
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It seems to me that by this logic it makes them 2-C not Low 2-C
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The problem is that Goku has been shown to casually IT from King Kai's planet to earth (and vice-versa) whereas he had to struggle for going from Beerus' planet to Earth despite the former being a cross-dimensional IT and the latter apparently being intra-dimensional IT
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There shouldn't be a range issue, it only comes from a ki signiture being to weak to sense, theoretically, Goku should be able to IT anywhere provided that the ki signature he's locking onto is big enough. But that's just a theory.
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Infinite speed DBS here we go
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So far Goku has never been able to sense power in other Universes
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Or he doesn't even bother to, and DB fighter not always at full power, when relax and not fighting they can drop their ki to even equal to normal people, so..........this kind of argument have full of hole
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I mean Goku lives for the challenge. He just can't sense beyond his Universe. However, I feel like it is only a matter of time before that changes
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when we talking about the problem that why Goku can't sense other fighter outside U7 despite their massive power, it is more of a plot, storytelling and narrative problem than anything else.
Why Goku need to sense beyond his universe, literally those character outside of his universe appear way later in the series, so it is come down to narrative, as those character still not exist in the story, thus he can't sense them. You literally force Goku to sense characters that not event exist in the story yet, so.............you can stop this kind of argument
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Separated universes also count as Low 2-C structures, if you can show they exist in their own space-time, Low 2-C isn't limited to just timelines.
Its the same reason why characters like Kratos, Dante, Odin (only for his 2-C, not his 2-A) and Hades are Tier 2 despire have no feats related to affect timelines.
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